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Old 08-24-2020, 05:54 PM   #1
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Looking for long term information on this product, from the other thread created about it: https://forums.nasioc.com/forums/sho....php?t=2844524 some users have used it and i'd like to know their opinions on its use over the last few years or if they've completely gone to something else. Anyone else who has used it I would like to hear from you as well. Much appreciated, thanks in advance guys.
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Old 08-25-2020, 01:14 PM   #2
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The product is overpriced, silicone and water. Simply put - It will make your car extremely shiny and have amazing gloss, until it gets washed or rained on. Longevity is essentially zero. I was one of the derps who fell sucker to their marketing, and I purchased some. Testing it side by side with any legitimate topper style spray (Gtechniq C2v3, CarPro Reload, Gyeon WetCoat, heck even Megs Hybrid Ceramic spray and Mothers CMX) was no contest whatsoever. Use your hard earned moneys on something which will give you the desired results for at least a measurable amount of time. Just my personal opinion, but I know I am not alone. And just an FYI, I do still occasionally use the remaining F11 I have to shine up my STI before a show...it serves that "one time use" application fairly well.
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Old 08-25-2020, 02:13 PM   #3
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I would mostly agree to what cknowlen said. I find that it doesn't really last after a wash application. I had my car detailed back in April and following a 2 bucket wash method, I get the same water beading with or without applying Topcoat. I was gifted one of the F11 kits several years ago and I think I have used it maybe 3 times on a couple cars. I find it is rather greasy to apply and it can be very obvious if it isn't rubbed in well. It leaves smears and visual marks if car isn't perfectly clean or it isn't rubbed in well. Luckily, I didn't take the hit on the cost because it was gifted.

My detailer recommended Meguiar's Waterless Wash & Wax for quick touch up cleaning and I like the way it applies and stays on much better. It is also much cheaper and works on a dirty car as well. Much less toweling required to get a good finish. I would probably consider doing the car with only the Meguiar's after a car wash for an extra wax seal
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Old 08-25-2020, 03:36 PM   #4
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That's good to know, I guess i'll save up for a paint correction and get a ceramic coating done instead. Thanks guys.
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Old 08-25-2020, 07:09 PM   #5
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Before you go straight to coating you can try one of the "ceramic" waxes. I've switched from opti-seal to Meg's ceramic and it's been very good for protection and shine this summer. Initial application takes a little bit but maintenance is very easy.
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Old 08-25-2020, 07:30 PM   #6
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Consider the fact that my car is black and I live in the desert, black shows dirt really well and I really just want to be able to give it a rinse and have the dirt be shed off with the beading. I'm also not one to pour 4 hours+ into detailing my car. I rather pay to have something that intensive done.


Would Ceramic coating give me the option that I'm looking for or should I look into something else?
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Old 08-25-2020, 07:34 PM   #7
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Consider the fact that my car is black and I live in the desert, black shows dirt really well and I really just want to be able to give it a rinse and have the dirt be shed off with the beading. I'm also not one to pour 4 hours+ into detailing my car. I rather pay to have something that intensive done.


Would Ceramic coating give me the option that I'm looking for or should I look into something else?
Even if you ceramic coat you will have to do some sort of maintenance a couple times a year with the topping the coating recommended. It does make water bead but you'll still have to actually wash the car to get it clean.
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Old 08-25-2020, 11:54 PM   #8
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Even if you ceramic coat you will have to do some sort of maintenance a couple times a year with the topping the coating recommended. It does make water bead but you'll still have to actually wash the car to get it clean.
at least it'll preserve the paint. I have to use the auto car wash or the self serve car wash places, just not use their soap.
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Old 08-26-2020, 02:23 PM   #9
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at least it'll preserve the paint. I have to use the auto car wash or the self serve car wash places, just not use their soap.
If you get ceramic coated it will help with maintain your paint better than wax. It is however not a miracle product that you dont have to maintain as already pointed out. You should still top the coating with the recommended topper per the manufacturer recommendations. If you can only wash your car at a local wash bay, DO NOT use the auto wash unless it is touchless. And if you use the self-serve wash bay, bring your own products (bucket, mitt, towels, etc) and DO NOT use the wash brush. The ceramic can only do so much, and it will not prevent scratches and swirls all together.
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