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MT Pure Highway 20-22 | 1 | 1.92% | |
MT Pure Highway 23-25 | 1 | 1.92% | |
MT Pure Highway 26-28 | 2 | 3.85% | |
MT Pure Highway 29-31 | 3 | 5.77% | |
MT Pure Highway 32-34 | 1 | 1.92% | |
MT Pure Highway 35-37 | 5 | 9.62% | |
MT Pure Highway 38-40+ | 2 | 3.85% | |
CVT Pure Highway 20-22 | 0 | 0% | |
CVT Pure Highway 23-25 | 0 | 0% | |
CVT Pure Highway 26-28 | 1 | 1.92% | |
CVT Pure Highway 29-31 | 3 | 5.77% | |
CVT Pure Highway 32-34 | 6 | 11.54% | |
CVT Pure Highway 35-37 | 5 | 9.62% | |
CVT Pure Highway 38-40+ | 3 | 5.77% | |
MT Mixed 20-22 | 0 | 0% | |
MT Mixed 23-25 | 2 | 3.85% | |
MT Mixed 26-28 | 5 | 9.62% | |
MT Mixed 29-31 | 9 | 17.31% | |
MT Mixed 32-34 | 4 | 7.69% | |
MT Mixed 35-37 | 1 | 1.92% | |
MT Mixed 38-40+ | 0 | 0% | |
CVT Mixed 20-22 | 0 | 0% | |
CVT Mixed 23-25 | 5 | 9.62% | |
CVT Mixed 26-28 | 10 | 19.23% | |
CVT Mixed 29-31 | 10 | 19.23% | |
CVT Mixed 32-34 | 2 | 3.85% | |
CVT Mixed 35-37 | 1 | 1.92% | |
CVT Mixed 38-40+ | 0 | 0% | |
MT Pure City 17-19 | 0 | 0% | |
MT Pure City 20-22 | 0 | 0% | |
MT Pure City 23-25 | 4 | 7.69% | |
MT Pure City 26-28 | 3 | 5.77% | |
MT Pure City 29-31 | 1 | 1.92% | |
MT Pure City 32-34 | 0 | 0% | |
MT Pure City 35-37+ | 0 | 0% | |
CVT Pure City 17-19 | 0 | 0% | |
CVT Pure City 20-22 | 1 | 1.92% | |
CVT Pure City 23-25 | 8 | 15.38% | |
CVT Pure City 26-28 | 2 | 3.85% | |
CVT Pure City 29-31 | 1 | 1.92% | |
CVT Pure City 32-34 | 0 | 0% | |
CVT Pure City 35-37+ | 0 | 0% | |
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 52. You may not vote on this poll |
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03-28-2013, 09:34 PM | #101 | |
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Speak for yourself please!!!! I love the use of the word 'impossible' in this thread, when clearly, people are doing it!
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03-28-2013, 09:36 PM | #102 |
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You do realize that according the the poll, the CVT and MT are equal in every area right??
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A poll of 30-50 people (representing 80,000 cars) is not going to tell you anything valid that can be applied to the other 79,950 cars on the road.
The only worse polling in recent history was done by Mitt Romney's campaign staff. |
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Funny though how the results of this pole are VERY similar to Fuelly.....hmmmmmmm
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03-28-2013, 11:42 PM | #105 | |
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It's all in the first post here: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2477627 Of course there are some here who don't understand what it means to statistically be one in half a million, and likely never will. They are the type of people who have manual transmissions and think they know about CVT performance. Pretty sad, really, that they don't know that they don't know. It's like Mark Twain said, "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so" |
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03-29-2013, 06:20 AM | #106 |
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Exactly what I expected, lots of text about stats and other cars, not actual epa testing or recommendations.
The fishing is just way too easy to be fun anymore. |
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He's trying to compensate for buyers remorse. He's unwilling to accept that the car performs fine in the EPA test but varies wider than comparables outside that range. He's not going to get a different car. He's not going to change his driving style. He's not going to petition the EPA because he knows he has nothing to stand on. You can't argue with emotion.
On a positive note, you could start and win a lawsuit and get $88. http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...2480331&page=5 Or maybe a random EPA audit will catch Subaru. I suppose there's always hope. |
03-29-2013, 09:23 AM | #108 | |
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MPH ______ MPG ______ $/hour saved 55 ______ 37 ______ $5.09 60 ______ 34 ______ $6.80 65 ______ 31 ______ $9.01 70 ______ 29 ______ $11.89 75 ______ 26 ______ $15.65 80 ______ 24 Example: slowing from 65 mph to 60 mph will save you $6.80 per hour. So, you can see, based on how much a person's time is worth - e.g. would that individual person rather be at work making money or at home with his family, whatever - instead of commuting, the optimum speed varies. It's like what Jack Palance meant in City Slickers - the answer is really up to you. Caveat: these numbers are based on an Impreza CVT in a commute through semi-hilly country. You can adjust your dollars per hour by the ratio of what is shown here vs. what you actually get. For instance if you really get 36 mpg at 60 mph because you drive on flat land, then reduce the dollar values by 34/36 so slowing from 60 mph to 55 mph really saves you $4.81 per hour. |
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I can for the life of me imagine why anyone would want to drive at 55mph. my time is important to me, ask any racer, any real racer. It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile; winning's winning. I live my life a quarter mile at a time. Nothing else matters: not the mortgage, not the store, not my team and all their bull****. For those ten seconds or less, I'm free.
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03-29-2013, 01:27 PM | #111 | |
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You could trust me on this, or take a class in statistics, but it is easier just to know that this poll could agree with you, or me, but it does not accurately predict anything because the sample size is too small. |
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03-29-2013, 06:49 PM | #114 |
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What is your point? When your at the bottom, only way is up, they just over shot that's my point. And enough of this fuelly crap. The only fuelly I care about is mine. That is the only variable I can control. Not trying to be a wenis.. but seriously... And speaking of statistics.. IMO this forum is a serious CVT bell curve.
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03-29-2013, 08:39 PM | #115 | |
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What is the big bold number on the 2013 epa sticker, I bet it is 30, the combined number, and in general (the average) most cvts seem to be close. And most manuals are around the combined 28. I see 31-33 now on my commute when in the highway portion, but yet my average over my last 10 fills is floating around 27 iirc. My commute is 1 mile in town, 37 miles of highway, and another 5 I consider in town, for a total of 43 1way. It is really amazing how much the cold start and little city I do really drags my avg down. Last edited by flyboy1100; 03-29-2013 at 09:06 PM. |
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03-31-2013, 12:05 AM | #116 | |
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03-31-2013, 12:09 AM | #117 | |
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You have not been paying attention. The MT may be getting close to advertised, but since it's getting better than the CVT which is advertised at 3 mpg better, you flunked at Logic 101 |
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First off if you drive manual you will always get better MPG and Automatic is lazy.
Now people will over estimate CVT transmission. It is the absolute garbage bastard child of all cheap built-made/ expensive to fix transmissions And to be honest i see less then the advertised MPG on auto cars then i see on manual Now when using a Standard transmission More Speeds the better the MPG obviously You have more control over your car as well From my old car the advertised mpg was 19/25 Average mpg of 21 But i saw 26/34 just cause i knew how to control the trans Manual will always be better |
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You are/were the one making conclusions based upon a poll of ~30 drivers meant to represent ~79,970 other drivers.
Maybe a class in statistics would help you realize how foolish that is, but I doubt you could keep up with the rest of the class, so don't waste your time. |
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That puts the CVT well into the realm of outlier. I guess you don't understand that term, outlier. You must not have made it that far in your statistics class yet. I get the idea it's a really slow class, based on how seldom you're correct here. So, ask your teacher if the last number in this set is an outlier: 28 28 29 29 29 30 30 31 31 31 32 36 I get the idea, Zeeper, that whatever you do, it involves convincing not very intelligent people of things that are not true. |
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Also, I don't "mix" data. I "correlate" data. |
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I don't need to try and twist Consumer Reports data into something other than what they provide -- here is what you need to know, directly from Consumer Reports, about the Impreza:
"Subaru's small car is well-rounded, with a roomy interior and compliant ride. Fuel economy is impressive given the standard all-wheel-drive. It's available both as a sedan or hatchback. It's Consumer Reports 2012 Top Pick small car" Of course the only thing this quote and video does not mention is that, after driving a CVT Impreza for the last year, they again named it their Top Pick for 2013. Now absolutely nothing in this post has my opinion, my bias, or my attempt to convince you that this car either sucks or is great. It is just reality, which some of us now realize has a well known Subaru bias. Now sir mix-a-lot can try to convince you that the car sucks again, or that I work for Subaru, or that I work for Consumer Reports, or.... Last edited by Zeeper; 04-02-2013 at 06:48 AM. |
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No, not what I need to know. I don't know what everybody else needs to know and neither do you, despite your aforementioned sense that you control the minds around here and if someone doesn't agree with you, you will chastise them until either they leave or get on your "Impreza is perfect" bandwagon. The objective statement here is that yes, the Impreza, in 50 different tests, comes out on top with Consumer Reports' grading system. And it's a great car. Unfortunately for me because I planned on driving it a lot, I put more emphasis on the fuel economy, to the tune of over probably $5,000 more than I had planned when I bought the car since I planned on driving it 200,000 miles. It gets the equivalent of 30 mpg highway vs. the claimed 36 (using the Consumer Reports' comparison) and gasoline will probably average $5 per gallon (at least) over that time. So no, "all we need to know" is not that the Iimpreza gets good gas mileage "for an AWD car", we (several of us) needed to know that it does not get the mpg that Subaru advertised before we made the decision to buy it. So, some of us wanted to know that it got the great mpg Subaru advertised. You and your sycophants, as well as others who do not plan to drive it that much, just wanted to know that it gets good gas mileage "for an AWD car". That's not what we're talking about, despite your attempt to twist the discussion in that direction. |
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