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Old 06-27-2021, 12:23 PM   #226
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Yeah, I don't see where the CTR needs anymore power. Has there ever been a better FWD sport compact produced....ever?
No. And Iíd say thereís never been a car that maximizes performance, practicality, and affordability better than the CTR. Cooling is an issue with repeated hard lapping on hot days but the CTR dominated GS at SCCA nationals so itís a genuine sporting machine that could easily work as an only car for a family guy/gal.
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Old 06-27-2021, 09:49 PM   #227
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The thing with Honda or in this verse CTR. It takes a real spirited drive over over and stays solid. Just like Porsche they feel like chunk of granite and Both have best Manuals on Earth. Their like Timex Take a Licking Keeps On Ticking.
Except the fact that the 10th gen Type R is kind of junk compared to a Porsche or even a Golf R. The paint and build quality is closer to Tesla than Porsche and they make more rattles and noises than an old WRX. Flip a quarter and hope you get a manual transmission that doesn't grind into 2nd gear or suffer from lockout. Also make sure you you park over top of an oil pan because they all start leaking oil eventually. Some of you need to venture to owner forums as these aren't very well built cars at all. I don't usually back out of cars after I put my money down but this car was the first. Hopefully the quality is a lot better out of the Indiana plant as Swindon was a disaster.
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Old 06-28-2021, 10:58 AM   #228
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Except the fact that the 10th gen Type R is kind of junk compared to a Porsche or even a Golf R. The paint and build quality is closer to Tesla than Porsche and they make more rattles and noises than an old WRX. Flip a quarter and hope you get a manual transmission that doesn't grind into 2nd gear or suffer from lockout. Also make sure you you park over top of an oil pan because they all start leaking oil eventually. Some of you need to venture to owner forums as these aren't very well built cars at all. I don't usually back out of cars after I put my money down but this car was the first. Hopefully the quality is a lot better out of the Indiana plant as Swindon was a disaster.
The build quality and reliability was a bit shocking on my first year 2017 $21k Sport hatch, but would have been a slap in the face on a $38k car. My 2020 Si has improved in terms of reliability and rattles - no issues so far at 17k miles. So a later model Type R is probably the way to go.

Canít expect too much of British cars.
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Old 07-06-2021, 02:24 PM   #229
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The CTR is more than powerful enough. The engine is a modern gem.

The engine and tuning are amazing in the CTR and I agree about not adding more power. The car has a hard time putting down its 306 HP already through the front wheels...
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Old 07-06-2021, 05:11 PM   #230
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I found a nearly 5 year old used CTR for sale $7k over original MSRP. The thing better be a literal gem.
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Old 07-06-2021, 07:57 PM   #231
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I found a nearly 5 year old used CTR for sale $7k over original MSRP. The thing better be a literal gem.
A used Si sedan with 15k miles goes for $30k, $4k over MSRP. Thatís the used car market.
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Old 07-06-2021, 09:27 PM   #232
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I found a nearly 5 year old used CTR for sale $7k over original MSRP. The thing better be a literal gem.
My wifes 2017 Corolla iM is worth more than we paid for it new back in 2017, like a lot more. The used car market is crazy right now; very tempted to sell it for a profit and buy her a new vehicle, assuming the dealer will deal & something is actually available that is; the problem is finding something that's already built in the configuration we want, or at least close enough to what we want; she's more flexible about exterior colors than I am, but no local or semi-local dealer seems to spec them the way we do (with useful options for a crossover, like roof racks, hitch receiver & wiring).
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Old 07-07-2021, 01:20 AM   #233
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Not a Type R/S, just a regular Civic Sport, but crossposting here as well as the other thread as its kinda relevant. Nice to see a video of someone actually driving one of these things.

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Old 07-07-2021, 04:23 PM   #234
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Hope new CTR will be lighter!
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Old 07-07-2021, 05:10 PM   #235
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Hope new CTR will be lighter!
Then it'd need to be smaller; for something riding on a 106" wheelbase, it's already as light as it's going to get, IMO.
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Old 07-07-2021, 05:21 PM   #236
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With how big the civic is getting, honda needs a smaller car. They need to bring the City to the US...

And while they're at it, make it a type R. I'm here for it.

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Old 07-07-2021, 07:28 PM   #237
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The Civic gained 100 lbs so the CTR will likely also.
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Old 07-07-2021, 08:43 PM   #238
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The Civic gained 100 lbs so the CTR will likely also.
And that weight gain might not be a bad thing. There was some very very floppy parts of the Civic X. The substructure on the front bumper was so inadequate that the clips that hold it on eventually rip causing the nose of the car to sag and crease. The fix? A brand new front bumper, painted of course. I've talked to a bunch of CTR owners who have had it happen to them. Honda told them to pound sand.
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Old 07-07-2021, 11:34 PM   #239
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And that weight gain might not be a bad thing. There was some very very floppy parts of the Civic X. The substructure on the front bumper was so inadequate that the clips that hold it on eventually rip causing the nose of the car to sag and crease. The fix? A brand new front bumper, painted of course. I've talked to a bunch of CTR owners who have had it happen to them. Honda told them to pound sand.
It's pretty crazy how poorly the body parts fit together on the hatch especially as it seems like the sedan didn't have nearly the amount of fitment issues. The red one I chose not to accept at delivery had a rocker panel that was not flush where it met the body by a good 1/4".
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Old 07-08-2021, 01:25 AM   #240
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It's pretty crazy how poorly the body parts fit together on the hatch especially as it seems like the sedan didn't have nearly the amount of fitment issues. The red one I chose not to accept at delivery had a rocker panel that was not flush where it met the body by a good 1/4".
That Swendon factory was putting out some **** quality. The US made bodies (sedan and coupe) were much straighter.
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Old 07-08-2021, 09:25 AM   #241
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It's pretty crazy how poorly the body parts fit together on the hatch especially as it seems like the sedan didn't have nearly the amount of fitment issues. The red one I chose not to accept at delivery had a rocker panel that was not flush where it met the body by a good 1/4".
UK built cars should come with a Jaguar badge, just so you know what you're getting.
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Old 07-08-2021, 09:27 AM   #242
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And that weight gain might not be a bad thing. There was some very very floppy parts of the Civic X. The substructure on the front bumper was so inadequate that the clips that hold it on eventually rip causing the nose of the car to sag and crease. The fix? A brand new front bumper, painted of course. I've talked to a bunch of CTR owners who have had it happen to them. Honda told them to pound sand.
The car is 30% stiffer or something, that'll definitely help too.

Assuming the exterior looks good, and I think Honda will come through on that, the new Type R could be pretty sweet with the much improved interior. I'm sure it'll come with the Bose and 10" digital dash.
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Old 07-10-2021, 07:49 PM   #243
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The car is 30% stiffer or something, that'll definitely help too.

Assuming the exterior looks good, and I think Honda will come through on that, the new Type R could be pretty sweet with the much improved interior. I'm sure it'll come with the Bose and 10" digital dash.
i canít imagine the mark up these will have with the car shortage going on. They were already asking 5-10k more when there wasnít a chip shortage.
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Old 07-10-2021, 09:16 PM   #244
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The car is 30% stiffer or something, that'll definitely help too.

Assuming the exterior looks good, and I think Honda will come through on that, the new Type R could be pretty sweet with the much improved interior. I'm sure it'll come with the Bose and 10" digital dash.
I really like the current CTR. I think the next gen has some big shoes to fill. It could easily sound better though. The current one sounds like a grandma car.
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Old 07-14-2021, 02:17 AM   #245
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So i was super board tonight and i wanted to settle a debate inside my head. I tend to hyper analyze everything and I really felt the rooflines of the two gens where pretty much the same. So I searched everywhere for two profile pictures that appear the same. Disclaimer: I have no clue if the perspectives are the same. Its just to hard to tell in photos. I settled on a red 2021 Civic sport with the exact same rim size as the 2022 model. I then tried my best to outline the image using inkscape. (I've traced over 300 images to create vocabulary readers for my preschool class.) So I'm 90 percent confident in my amateur skills.

I feel they look pretty much the exact same. Although the roof spoiler, near radio fin, on the old gen breaks up the look a bit. Cool fact I love how the 2022 trunk/hatch integrates its close line into the glass and the previous one shows it in plain sight.

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Old 07-14-2021, 08:25 AM   #246
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It's that rear quarter window, Honda made it bigger (in height/length) for visibility or whatever. This in turn makes the rear hatch less aggressive in its slope downwards. Thus giving the impression that this is more of a fastback and than a hatchback. It also doesn't help that the window/door line is pretty much straight, the last gen had better lines.

Either way, the side profile of this gen is too much like the Crosstour. The rear window trim is shaped exactly like the Crosstour, as is the angle of hatch.





Last Gen, in what looks like the concept trim. Notice the very little front overhang, the short rear end and the aggressive angle of the hatch. Yeah it screams sporty to me, the new gen is just too bland.

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Old 07-14-2021, 09:42 AM   #247
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It's that rear quarter window, Honda made it bigger (in height/length) for visibility or whatever. This in turn makes the rear hatch less aggressive in its slope downwards. Thus giving the impression that this is more of a fastback and than a hatchback. It also doesn't help that the window/door line is pretty much straight, the last gen had better lines.

Either way, the side profile of this gen is too much like the Crosstour. The rear window trim is shaped exactly like the Crosstour, as is the angle of hatch.

Last Gen, in what looks like the concept trim. Notice the very little front overhang, the short rear end and the aggressive angle of the hatch. Yeah it screams sporty to me, the new gen is just too bland.


Personally its a toss up between the two civic trims and one I will reserve for in person. I feel the 22 will look better in person and may even look better with the type R rear wing that is on the prototypes. The wing will donan awesome job of breaking up the design.
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Old 07-14-2021, 10:12 AM   #248
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Where's the line between understated and bland? I feel like this new Civic is more understated than bland, like VW's styling.
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