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Old 01-12-2021, 01:47 PM   #976
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Any word on a G series Spoolinator yet? I know you guys said about 6 months back in April when I last talked to you guys about it.
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Old 01-12-2021, 01:58 PM   #977
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Last I heard as of December 4th

Full race makes a good stock location G series kit.

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Old 01-12-2021, 01:59 PM   #978
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Old 01-12-2021, 02:37 PM   #979
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I have been considering changing my set up to the g30 660, seems like it sppolsa bout the same as the gtx3067 but with way more top end.. like 40 or so more on pump... there was a test that was done and they got nearly 100 more on a tank with octanium

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Some what I think that the g25 chokes or the turbine gets maxed out up to..at least what I can see from their testing. so the 660 might be a better combined with the larger g30 turbine. but thats my opinion
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Old 01-12-2021, 02:59 PM   #980
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I have been considering changing my set up to the g30 660, seems like it sppolsa bout the same as the gtx3067 but with way more top end.. like 40 or so more on pump... there was a test that was done and they got nearly 100 more on a tank with octanium

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The Abandoned STI Makes 100WHP MORE! G30-660 Turbo Upgrade - YouTube

Some what I think that the g25 chokes or the turbine gets maxed out up to..at least what I can see from their testing. so the 660 might be a better combined with the larger g30 turbine. but thats my opinion
I'm constantly impressed with the G series. Engineers are crazy.
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Old 01-12-2021, 04:46 PM   #981
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Last I heard as of December 4th

Full race makes a good stock location G series kit.


I've been aware of the Full Race kit for a while. Haven't seen many builds with it but what I have seen hasn't really impressed me for the money. I'm waiting to see what Killer B comes up with to see if it has something to do with the turbo or if it's in the design of the kit. I am impressed with Full Race's EFR kits so it's nothing against them. I'm just compiling information to decide if I ultimately want a GTX or G series.
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Old 01-12-2021, 05:43 PM   #982
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I've been aware of the Full Race kit for a while. Haven't seen many builds with it but what I have seen hasn't really impressed me for the money. I'm waiting to see what Killer B comes up with to see if it has something to do with the turbo or if it's in the design of the kit. I am impressed with Full Race's EFR kits so it's nothing against them. I'm just compiling information to decide if I ultimately want a GTX or G series.

My tuner @ Infront Automotive told me they've used it before and it made really great power on a built STI and spooled the same as stock. Not sure if the owner of the car ever posted about it online but from what I've seen, the G series is a pretty sweet line of turbos and I don't see why the Full Race kit wouldn't be able to utilize a G series to it's full potential.
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Old 01-12-2021, 06:38 PM   #983
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My tuner @ Infront Automotive told me they've used it before and it made really great power on a built STI and spooled the same as stock. Not sure if the owner of the car ever posted about it online but from what I've seen, the G series is a pretty sweet line of turbos and I don't see why the Full Race kit wouldn't be able to utilize a G series to it's full potential.


So what I've been seeing is good peak power but the full race kit G25-660 (the one I'm most interested in) seems to fall off below 7k. My 20g xtr holds well to 7200. There's a build on here of a guy that has a custom rotated G25-660 that's making good power and holding well above 7k. I'm trying not to go rotated so that's why I'm curious about what Killer B comes out with. So yes, the G25-660 has the capability, but is this really only going to be seen when going rotated? Or does it have to with some aspect of the way the Full Race kit is designed.

Not really sure why you're trying to sell me on the Full Race kit. As stated before I'm gathering information as none of these options are inexpensive. So if Chris or someone else from Killer B has some info then I'm going to listen. If not, then I'll wait until they do. I'm not in a rush. I'm going to be starting my track car build this spring so I'm in no rush. And before you say if it's a track car then it shouldn't matter how the turbo is positioned, it does. I want this to stay street legal as I'll also be doing hill climb events with the car as well. And I'll be driving it to and from the track. I want to keep everything easy and have most of what I want to do already figured out.
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Old 01-12-2021, 06:54 PM   #984
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So what I've been seeing is good peak power but the full race kit G25-660 (the one I'm most interested in) seems to fall off below 7k. My 20g xtr holds well to 7200. There's a build on here of a guy that has a custom rotated G25-660 that's making good power and holding well above 7k. I'm trying not to go rotated so that's why I'm curious about what Killer B comes out with. So yes, the G25-660 has the capability, but is this really only going to be seen when going rotated? Or does it have to with some aspect of the way the Full Race kit is designed.

Not really sure why you're trying to sell me on the Full Race kit. As stated before I'm gathering information as none of these options are inexpensive. So if Chris or someone else from Killer B has some info then I'm going to listen. If not, then I'll wait until they do. I'm not in a rush. I'm going to be starting my track car build this spring so I'm in no rush. And before you say if it's a track car then it shouldn't matter how the turbo is positioned, it does. I want this to stay street legal as I'll also be doing hill climb events with the car as well. And I'll be driving it to and from the track. I want to keep everything easy and have most of what I want to do already figured out.
Wasn't trying to sell ya on anything. Just wanted to mention the info I got from my tuner about that kit and that assuming you picked the right A/R, I didn't see why the Full Race kit wouldn't flow well up top.

I opted for the spoolinator so I definitely understand wanting to stay stock location. That is interesting info about the Full Race kit not flowing well up top, I'll have to look at some more dyno data with it.

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Old 01-12-2021, 08:11 PM   #985
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well ai would say give the G series a couple of years, but why would you want to use old tech when there is something newer out there... you have to figure that the g30 660 is about the same size as the gtx 3067 but makes a significant amount of power. so why would you want to use something that you have to push harder to make the same amount of power....
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Old 01-12-2021, 10:32 PM   #986
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well ai would say give the G series a couple of years, but why would you want to use old tech when there is something newer out there... you have to figure that the g30 660 is about the same size as the gtx 3067 but makes a significant amount of power. so why would you want to use something that you have to push harder to make the same amount of power....


The other turbo I'm considering is the GTX3071 which makes more than enough for the build I'm planning. Just because something is newer doesn't make it better for every application. And based on the numbers I've researched, in OE location the Spoolinator with a 3071 performs better than the Full Race 25-660.

Look, I'm trying to get feedback from where Killer B is with their development for the G series. I really don't know how this turned into cluttering up this thread with pointless posts. I guess next time I'll just email them directly rather than asking on here.
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This is a loaded question, but what are you looking for out of a turbo kit?

OEM spool with XXX power has always been the target for us, as drivability is a must for us. Just curious because the conversation seams to be waiting for something that already exists. The smaller GTX3067 and 3071 Gen 2 will out spool and spool similarly to OEM, with the 3576 not far off.

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This is a loaded question, but what are you looking for out of a turbo kit?

OEM spool with XXX power has always been the target for us, as drivability is a must for us. Just curious because the conversation seams to be waiting for something that already exists. The smaller GTX3067 and 3071 Gen 2 will out spool and spool similarly to OEM, with the 3576 not far off.



It's not loaded. The conversation that ensued wasn't anything I was trying to start. All I was looking for was information to where you guys stand with a G series Spoolinator as I want to see how it performs. If the new tech meets my goals then it makes more sense to use the new tech as it will be around for the foreseeable future. If it doesn't then I know I can get what I want from a 3071. So no loaded questions from me other than just gathering whatever info is available.
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Also to note: Some of us (probably minority) hope for a non-rotated setup, advanced IWG design, good turbine-out transition, and a weight supported up-pipe. "Sounds like" a future spoolinator with G-series with IWG for my 2.5L. I just with Garrett had an IWG housing for the G30 turbos. Here the packaging is more important (to me) than the amount of power left on the table from staying away from EWG. Full Race's setup checks off some of my needs but does not provide a supported up-pipe. Unless I want to self-fab that (meh). Plus I expect it will take a loonnngg time to get any good info on how G-series turbos really are. Forum traffic is not what it used to be back when GTX gen1 stuff was being used; people shared and commented more on their experiences back then. Now it is all "go talk to so and so shop" or just plain crickets.

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well ai would say give the G series a couple of years, but why would you want to use old tech when there is something newer out there... you have to figure that the g30 660 is about the same size as the gtx 3067 but makes a significant amount of power. so why would you want to use something that you have to push harder to make the same amount of power....
The direct comparison would be the g30-660 vs gtx3071r-gen2.

Here is the same car, identical setup, same fuel, making the same power, same spool on dyno, same powerband etc using both turbos (both being maxed out for peak power). He is swapping back to the 3071 though after about a year with the g30

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The direct comparison would be the g30-660 vs gtx3071r-gen2.

Here is the same car, identical setup, same fuel, making the same power, same spool on dyno, same powerband etc using both turbos (both being maxed out for peak power). He is swapping back to the 3071 though after about a year with the g30

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Would you be able to share the build specs? This is the type of information I've been looking for.
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Would you be able to share the build specs? This is the type of information I've been looking for.
It wouldn't matter, those graphs are just to compare the turbos and are not on a Subaru.

I would recommend using the current KillerB options of GTX series, they will actually perform better in most areas on a typical subaru platform.
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The thing you have to remember too is the g30 660 has a smaller exducer than the 3071. it's the same size as the 2867 compressor. So yeah I get what you are saying though. Can I ask were the running the same about of boost?

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The thing you have to remember too is the g30 660 has a smaller exducer than the 3071. it's the same size as the 2867 compressor. So yeah I get what you are saying though. Can I ask were the running the same about of boost?
Boost and timing are different as each turbo works differently to max out power on that fuel/engine setup. They were both running a 94oct/e85 mix at e45.
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Good point in that these are not apples to apples turbochargers.

Another thing to consider since many are looking to the IWG versions of the G-Series, you will have lower performance vs GTX w/EWG, assuming turbo specs were (could be) the same.

The G-series are different turbos, not magic. I am most excited about the IWG setup because of the packaging and that I'm not a fan of EWG.
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...Another thing to consider since many are looking to the IWG versions of the G-Series, you will have lower performance vs GTX w/EWG, assuming turbo specs were (could be) the same...
Now I can appreciate the gen2 GTXs but it forces to go EWG. I can only speak for me, that difference is completely understood and IWG is an acceptable compromise to my packaging requirements. Less plumbing, less moving parts, less leak paths, less exhaust weld failures, less visuals with hood opened (this I feel growing more important in the near future), less ATM venting noise, closer to an OEM solution. Yea, I am willing to give up some power potential for that. Again the way I go about things probably puts me in a different group.

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...I am most excited about the IWG setup because of the packaging and that I'm not a fan of EWG.
Count me in on that! I know the EFR has had IWG for awhile now but I'd like a Garrett option to weight against it. Willing to wait since I have to figure out WTF to do with an engine prior to making changes to my AMT system.

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^ agree and share many of your sentiments!

I've had enough EWG noise and hearing loss for this lifetime, lol. So with my cars we do recirc EWG for now. IWG G-Series will remove a ton of cost and complexity.

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What are the modifications required to run the "spoolinator" with the V2 turbo adapter?
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What are the modifications required to run the "spoolinator" with the V2 turbo adapter?
Do you mean with an existing Spoolinator DP, just swapping out the adapter. Or, a new kit from scratch with the V2?
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Do you mean with an existing Spoolinator DP, just swapping out the adapter. Or, a new kit from scratch with the V2?

From scratch with v2. I know the transmission bell housing needs to grind down to fit the turbo. Are there more modifications that are required?
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