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Old 03-08-2019, 02:21 PM   #126
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Eh, I don't entirely hate that part. At first, I thought it was "unfair" because technically, it is. But finishing 20th and lapped with a single fastest lap is not equal to finishing 10th.
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Old 03-08-2019, 02:37 PM   #127
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I think it should be for any finishing place, so even if you have a spin, crash, repair etc and no chance of a top ten finish you would still get the car back out on track to attempt a fastest lap because 1 pt could mean the championship at the end of the season.

Also, it will create some excitement in a boring race as some drivers might spend some tires doing some in race quali.


I am glad they will not have a point for pole position, I thought I would be good as well, but the argument that you could potentially win a championship on quali day with a PP could ruin a battle.
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Old 03-08-2019, 02:43 PM   #128
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I think it should be for any finishing place, so even if you have a spin, crash, repair etc and no chance of a top ten finish you would still get the car back out on track to attempt a fastest lap because 1 pt could mean the championship at the end of the season.

Also, it will create some excitement in a boring race as some drivers might spend some tires doing some in race quali.


I am glad they will not have a point for pole position, I thought I would be good as well, but the argument that you could potentially win a championship on quali day with a PP could ruin a battle.
These things seem contradictory. I know they're 1pt for different achievements (pole vs fastest race lap), but your argument for one says it could mean the championship and they need every single point they can get but for the other you say that same single point would ruin the championship.
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it's a single ****ing point. Doesn't matter in the current 25-18-15 point era. It would have in the 10-6-4 era.

I'm all for the top 10 requirement - eliminates the absurdity that is setting the fastest lap when you're 1 lap down and come in Alonso style.

Don't think it's gimmicky either - I would be in favor of awarding points for laps led as well. It smooths out consistency and eliminates the "luck" aspect.
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Old 03-08-2019, 03:05 PM   #130
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These things seem contradictory. I know they're 1pt for different achievements (pole vs fastest race lap), but your argument for one says it could mean the championship and they need every single point they can get but for the other you say that same single point would ruin the championship.
the difference is you can't win the championship on Saturday in qualifying vs having the battle in the race on sunday where the one point could go either way

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it's a single ****ing point. Doesn't matter in the current 25-18-15 point era. It would have in the 10-6-4 era.

I'm all for the top 10 requirement - eliminates the absurdity that is setting the fastest lap when you're 1 lap down and come in Alonso style.

Don't think it's gimmicky either - I would be in favor of awarding points for laps led as well. It smooths out consistency and eliminates the "luck" aspect.
I think that with the amount of money at stake for finishing positions in the championship those points that potentially a midfield or backfield team could gain if they really push instead of just lapping around could also help development.

and of course as the teams find more parity, the amount of single points that could be found through the course of the season for fast laps (or most laps led as another idea) could swing the balance and change tactics to focus on winning at a faster speed while trying to "save" an engine etc...
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Old 03-08-2019, 03:06 PM   #131
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2016 was close. Rosberg won by 5pts and had 6 fastest laps vs Lewis' 3. Same with 2012. Vettel only won by 3pts and had 6 fastest laps while Alonso had none. So neither time would it have changed the outcome of the championship, but both times the championship was decided by single digits even after taking the fastest laps into account. With 21 races now, that's 21 extra points up for grab, almost a full race win.
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It seems like a lot of fastest laps are set by the driver who either has a grid penalty or spins on the opening lap. I don't think either of those should be rewarded with a point.
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2016 was close. Rosberg won by 5pts and had 6 fastest laps vs Lewis' 3. Same with 2012. Vettel only won by 3pts and had 6 fastest laps while Alonso had none. So neither time would it have changed the outcome of the championship, but both times the championship was decided by single digits even after taking the fastest laps into account. With 21 races now, that's 21 extra points up for grab, almost a full race win.
I'd wager that if there was to be fastest laps happening - then you'd see the people at the top evening it out.

I'm looking at it as a case of 10% of max available points, vs. 4%
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Old 03-11-2019, 12:22 AM   #134
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I'd wager that if there was to be fastest laps happening - then you'd see the people at the top evening it out.

I'm looking at it as a case of 10% of max available points, vs. 4%
This could really improve the show. We had a number of races last year where the top 10 cars basically pottered around for the last 1/3rd of the race. With this point for fastest lap, even if cars can't pass they can all try and lay down a flying lap. This could be very exciting especially for tracks where passing is difficult.
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Old 03-11-2019, 01:14 PM   #135
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precisely! right now the incentive is to finish within the points. When you know that there is little to no chance to improve your position you hold and the spectacle becomes a non-spectacle.

This could spice things up though as I said - the 1 point is minimal and likely to not be incentive enough for those at the top anyway.
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Old 03-11-2019, 02:53 PM   #136
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I think I'd like to see more than 1 point, where car number 2 (or 3 if Bottas is running as a roadblock in number 2 position) could eat into the points haul of car number 1 which might be sitting on the lead.

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Old 03-12-2019, 08:30 AM   #137
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Regarding the point for fast lap: I think we'll have backmarkers coming into the pits late in the race to pick up a set of super-sticky tires and trying for the point.

Otherwise, I fully expect to see Montoya on the podium in Australia.
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Old 03-12-2019, 09:35 AM   #138
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Regarding the point for fast lap: I think we'll have backmarkers coming into the pits late in the race to pick up a set of super-sticky tires and trying for the point.

Otherwise, I fully expect to see Montoya on the podium in Australia.
It's only available for the top 10/points finishers.
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I see the fastest lap point playing out as a game between the mid-pack teams. If one of the non-Ferrari/Merc/RBR teams is sitting in the top 10 and manages to click off the fastest lap, then I expect anyone outside the points to pit and press for the fast lap just to prevent their mid-pack competitor from slowly walking away in the always tight points battle. Money matters.
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I see the fastest lap point playing out as a game between the mid-pack teams. If one of the non-Ferrari/Merc/RBR teams is sitting in the top 10 and manages to click off the fastest lap, then I expect anyone outside the points to pit and press for the fast lap just to prevent their mid-pack competitor from slowly walking away in the always tight points battle. Money matters.
Again, the point is only awarded if the fastest lap finisher is in the top 10. There will be races when no fastest lap point is awarded.

It's also worth noting that both the driver and constructor will be awarded the point.
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Again, the point is only awarded if the fastest lap finisher is in the top 10. There will be races when no fastest lap point is awarded.

It's also worth noting that both the driver and constructor will be awarded the point.
This is exactly what I've said. Those out of the points with nothing to lose may take the opportunity to pit for tires, set the fastest lap, and make sure no one gets it. Thus ensuring another mid-pack team who is scoring points in that race doesn't get an extra one. Preventing someone from getting that point could be worth millions of dollars in the constructor standings at the end of the season.

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I see the fastest lap point playing out as a game between the mid-pack teams. If one of the non-Ferrari/Merc/RBR teams is sitting in the top 10 and manages to click off the fastest lap, then I expect anyone outside the points to pit and press for the fast lap just to prevent their mid-pack competitor from slowly walking away in the always tight points battle. Money matters.
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This is exactly what I've said. Those out of the points with nothing to lose may take the opportunity to pit for tires, set the fastest lap, and make sure no one gets it. Thus ensuring another mid-pack team who is scoring points in that race doesn't get an extra one. Preventing someone from getting that point could be worth millions of dollars in the constructor standings at the end of the season.
Oh, my apologies, I misunderstood your point and missed that. Yes, true, their intent could be to prevent someone else from taking it as well.

I don't think it will be material in terms of championship standings at the end of the year, but it will add some drama to each race. I'm somewhat optimistic.
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Would an outside top ten setting it actually take it away?

If so I see some late yellows in our future.

That being said I think not many race situations lead to a car outside the points scoring fastest lap.

Really, how many fastest laps last year went to a non big three team?
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Would an outside top ten setting it actually take it away?
Yes

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Really, how many fastest laps last year went to a non big three team?
One, Magnussen in Singapore.

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...test-lap-award
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I've played since 2012 and it's a great strategic contest and makes each race more exciting as you root for different drivers all of the time based on your picks. The rules are on the site and I hope you'll considering joining us!
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Charlie Whiting, the FIA F1 director and a huge figure in the sport, died on Wednesday night aged 66. Whiting suffered a pulmonary embolism, FIA said. FIA president Jean Todt pays tribute to "a central and inimitable figure in F1 who embodied the ethics and spirit" of the sport
Basically a day before the season starts. Damn.
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No kidding, what a way to go. May have more effect on the season than any other change.

The tributes will be heavy.

At least Bert is still leading the pack.
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