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Old 11-20-2020, 12:55 PM   #1
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Old 11-20-2020, 12:56 PM   #2
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Mazda Ranked Consumer Reports' Most Reliable Brand, Tesla Is Not Quite Last
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Consumer Reports has just published the 2020 edition of its annual list of the most reliable car brands, and Mazda has taken top honors.

The maker of Miatas, stylish compacts, and crossovers with a pulse has stolen the number one spot from Lexus, which slides to third for the year. Splitting those two is Toyota, though the gulf between Toyota and Mazda is pretty sizable for this list, at 9 points.

The rankings are derived from a survey of Consumer Reports members, and this year’s data was sourced from a total of 329,000 vehicles. Consumer Reports asks those queried to document any problems they’ve noticed in the past 12 months. The biggest gains in terms of year-over-year performance were reserved for Buick and Honda, ranked fourth and fifth, respectively.

Meanwhile, Tesla and Lincoln bring up the rear of the list, with the Model Y and Aviator scoring the lowest of any cars in Consumer Reports’ 2020 field. Given the Model Y war stories we’ve heard, though, this isn’t particularly surprising. Here’s the full list of brands ranked, from top to bottom:

Mazda, 83
Toyota, 74
Lexus, 71
Buick, 70
Honda, 63
Hyundai, 62
Ram, 58
Subaru, 57
Porsche, 55
Dodge, 54
Infiniti, 54
BMW, 52
Nissan, 51
Audi, 46
Kia, 45
GMC, 43
Chevrolet, 42
Volvo, 41
Jeep, 41
Mercedes-Benz, 40
Cadillac, 38
Ford, 38
Mini, 37
Volkswagen, 36
Tesla, 29
Lincoln, 8
Looking at the most and least reliable models across all brands, The Toyota Prius scored a 93, earning it the title of Most Reliable Car, though the Miata averaged 98 points if you drill into Mazda’s per-vehicle results. (I couldn’t find an explanation for why the Prius was deemed most reliable.) Even the Dodge Challenger scored a 91.

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There seems to be a theme here. Models that have been rolling off production lines for more than a couple years and have enjoyed time to mature tend to survey better than those still plagued by first- or second-year glitches and gremlins yet to be stamped out. The Mazda 3, for example, which was all new for last year, averaged just 64 points.

While the Jeep Wrangler (27 points) still finds itself finishing far down on the wrong side of the list — even though the JL already has two years under its belt — the Gladiator weirdly bucked trends and scored a basically-perfect 99 points. Of course, sample size becomes an issue for totally new 2021 vehicles like the Gladiator. In cases such as these, Consumer Reports makes an inference, called Predicted Reliability:

“We will make a prediction for a brand-new or redesigned model, or a model with insufficient data, based on the manufacturer’s track record, history of the previous generation, or similar models that shared the same components. Of course, this is only a prediction, and these scores are not a guarantee of the reliability of any individual car. However, buying a car that has an above-average score for Predicted Reliability will reduce the likelihood of having significant problems with your car.”

Determining reliability in this way is an inexact science with many variables (not to mention the risks of self reporting), so Consumer Reports’ findings aren’t guarantees by any measure. That said, the takeaway I’m choosing to leave with here is that if you want reliable motoring, Miata is apparently the answer for that, too.
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Old 11-20-2020, 01:12 PM   #3
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Mazda.. is that because users have low expectation to begin with..?
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Mazda.. is that because users have low expectation to begin with..?
Are you one of those people that still think Mazda is using Ford equipment?
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Old 11-21-2020, 01:25 PM   #5
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No, I'm one of those that don't have interest in Mazda's besides the ND-RF fully loaded with Recaros/BBK. I might get one next year, not sure yet to replace my FiST.

Other cars they sell, no interest, low expectation rental cars.
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Old 11-21-2020, 02:11 PM   #6
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Are you one of those people that still think Mazda is using Ford equipment?
What do you mean, Ford got a respectable 38.

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Old 11-21-2020, 02:59 PM   #7
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No, I'm one of those that don't have interest in Mazda's besides the ND-RF fully loaded with Recaros/BBK. I might get one next year, not sure yet to replace my FiST.

Other cars they sell, no interest, low expectation rental cars.
Right, not sure what any of that has to do with brand reliability.

FYI, the RF does not come "fully loaded" with BBS/Brembo or Recaros. Only the Club trim is available with those options. Not on the Grand Touring.

As for the rest of their lineup, Mazda builds the most for-the-enthusiast type CUVs and cars. Clearly you are a car person and I think you'd appreciate them if you happened to be in the market for something like a crossover.
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Right, not sure what any of that has to do with brand reliability.

FYI, the RF does not come "fully loaded" with BBS/Brembo or Recaros. Only the Club trim is available with those options. Not on the Grand Touring.

As for the rest of their lineup, Mazda builds the most for-the-enthusiast type CUVs and cars. Clearly you are a car person and I think you'd appreciate them if you happened to be in the market for something like a crossover.
Except oichan clearly has brand bias (is brand biased?); so far, from his past posts, Hyundai/Kia, Mazda and Volvo are no good.
Yeah, I maintain oichan's brand bias list as a public service .
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Old 11-21-2020, 08:43 PM   #9
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VW...Ouch. No wonder they ditched the people's warranty.
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Old 11-21-2020, 09:16 PM   #10
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Do I not see Acura on that list?
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Old 11-21-2020, 11:54 PM   #11
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Except oichan clearly has brand bias (is brand biased?); so far, from his past posts, Hyundai/Kia, Mazda and Volvo are no good.
Yeah, I maintain oichan's brand bias list as a public service .
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Old 11-22-2020, 12:03 AM   #12
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Right, not sure what any of that has to do with brand reliability.

FYI, the RF does not come "fully loaded" with BBS/Brembo or Recaros. Only the Club trim is available with those options. Not on the Grand Touring.

As for the rest of their lineup, Mazda builds the most for-the-enthusiast type CUVs and cars. Clearly you are a car person and I think you'd appreciate them if you happened to be in the market for something like a crossover.
Yeah, that's right, I've been looking at the Club with the BBS/Brembos and Recaro's.

Actually I do think Mazda's been doing real well with the new SUV's and crossovers. Before the pandemic I traveled a lot for work and been driving all sorts of rental cars from the airport to my clients places and the better SUV's have been Mazda's and Hyundai's.

I'm just not into those cars for personal use.
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Old 11-22-2020, 12:55 AM   #13
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Do I not see Acura on that list?
Thanks for bringing up Acura, it's not on that CR list but it's certainly on oichan's list .
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Yeah what's up with no Acura. Here's the original article

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-...reliable-cars/

I dug around quick didn't see anything hit there provided links about reliability bla bla didn't see anything. Guess Im missing something, one of there wired rules. Has to have 2 new models in seconds quarter of the Harvest moon. U get my drift.
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Yeah what's up with no Acura. Here's the original article

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-...reliable-cars/

I dug around quick didn't see anything hit there provided links about reliability bla bla didn't see anything. Guess Im missing something, one of there wired rules. Has to have 2 new models in seconds quarter of the Harvest moon. U get my drift.
maybe a sample size issue
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Yeah what's up with no Acura. Here's the original article

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-...reliable-cars/

I dug around quick didn't see anything hit there provided links about reliability bla bla didn't see anything. Guess Im missing something, one of there wired rules. Has to have 2 new models in seconds quarter of the Harvest moon. U get my drift.
maybe a sample size issue. odd omission
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Old 11-22-2020, 12:36 PM   #17
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Thanks for bringing up Acura, it's not on that CR list but it's certainly on oichan's list .
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Old 11-22-2020, 01:37 PM   #18
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Mazda.. is that because users have low expectation to begin with..?
That sounds like the typical Subaru buyer.
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That sounds like the typical Subaru buyer.
If we're talking fickle enthusiasts, sure. But they aren't making Subaru money.

Concerning CR, I figured Mazda was #1 because their overall sales were relatively low in comparison to larger manufacturers, so all they have to do is not screw up the quality of what relatively few vehicles they sell. I think that's an aspect of Quality Control.
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