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Old 05-01-2018, 12:30 AM   #151
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That's the entire point. Most people are used to their phones. It's just smoother and more user friendly than the manufacturer implemented systems which vary by manufacturer from just okay at best to terrible at worst.
Yep.

I had two cars with Sync 1 and 2. Hot garbage. I've got Android Auto in my VW and I love it. Can't speak for Carplay since I don't have an iPhone, but the implementation looks pretty neat.
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Old 05-01-2018, 09:01 AM   #152
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The seats don't bother me as much as I thought they would. In terms of amenities, Sync3 is one of the better head units I have had. Very respsonsive and the touch screen is very accurate. I like that there are still physical knobs and controls and even a CD player (CD quality is still way better than streaming). I use Carplay a lot

The bi-Xenon headlights that turn with the wheel is a very nice touch, along with heated seats and heated steering wheel. Yes, there are some parts bins plastics and materials but this is true of the STI and Golf R across the board. But anywhere your arms and fingers typically come into normal contact, it feels nice. The Golf R (I owned one) is a more refined experience and a much simpler layout and not as busy as the Focus but in terms of ameneites the RS and R really are not much different. The 18 Golf R has the digital guage cluster but the RS has the moon roof option and a heated steering wheel. The Golf R is a more composed ride for sure, but it is not nearly as fun or performance focused as the RS. They are very different cars for sure and even after modifying my suspension and adding more power to the R, it really doesn't touch the RS especially if you can get to a track or some really good back roads.
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Old 05-01-2018, 12:19 PM   #153
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DrnknZag and I took turns riding in each others car, and he took some turns with some good speed the other day, and I was quite impressed at it's ability to just stay planted. I haven't pushed my car as hard as he did, but not quite sure how close I could get to it.

We were talking, the one thing that would have been nice in the RS, is one softer suspension setting, like the R's comfort setting. Something for that mundane boring driving that's inevitable, even in cars like these.
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Old 05-01-2018, 12:48 PM   #154
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DrnknZag and I took turns riding in each others car, and he took some turns with some good speed the other day, and I was quite impressed at it's ability to just stay planted. I haven't pushed my car as hard as he did, but not quite sure how close I could get to it.

We were talking, the one thing that would have been nice in the RS, is one softer suspension setting, like the R's comfort setting. Something for that mundane boring driving that's inevitable, even in cars like these.
It's not the stiffness for me it's the pogo effect (bounciness), but that can be addressed with some $249 springs. Also there was a strut change in late 2017 for the RS which has helped with the suspension and pogo. All the 2018's have the new struts. Not sure when DrnknZag's car was built but it should be on all RS's built sometime after July 2017.

But I do agree that a slightly softer suspension would not have been a bad thing, as long as it didn't negatively affect turn in and handling.

I am doing springs and rear sway bar this summer along with an alignment.
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Old 05-01-2018, 12:55 PM   #155
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The good.....get past break in. Then find some twisties and beat the thing like a red headed stepchild. Like Seabiscuit, start pushing it and she'll give you a whole 'nuther gear in the turns, to the point, you just won't believe it. The car likes and needs to be thrashed. Until you do, you just don't have any idea how good the chassis and GKN system is.

You get used to them. I hated them initially then after 3-4 months, they were right I was wrong. The bolsters will break-in, you'll acclimate, and in the end, it'll come together and will no longer be a concern. There was a film in the early 80's called Mag Dugan Returns. In that, Broderick is in high school playing baseball and his hired coach teaches him to swivel his hips back and forth. In these seats, you have to do that and find the sweet spot.
I'm 6+ feet and lift every night and I fit in it just fine, but I have to swivel my hips and find that sweet spot every time I drive it. The seats and car are built for high performance driving so it's a performance car 1st, DD 3rd maybe. Trust me you'll acclimate. Buy a gas pedal spacer (little cnc shop), and get the steeda clutch spring w/perch. Will solve most of this for you, cheap mods.

Check your PSI. OEM in USDM it's 46 psi all around. None of us use this as PSI is different in the other markets. run 42/38, or 41/38. Also, try turning off TC as some skuttlebutt is the TC causing "tramlining" and not torque steer. I've dialed mine out with correct PSI, and if I'm cornering I'm in drift mode (70% power to rear, 30% front) with turns off TC and I get zero torque steer. I honestly think it's the TC doing that, and to a lesser degree the overinflated tires from the factory.

Haven't seen this as an issue on the RS forum and I'd tell you if I did. Like Boobaru, Ford is love and hate for me both. That's a dealer visit imo, make them fix it, it's new and under warranty. Don't forget that Ford offers 8 year extended bumper to bumper warranty. I think max mileage is 175k or thereabouts but mine isn't a DD either so I'm doing 8 year 75k for less $.

Coming from Booby and Honduhs, it's fine for stock imo. The HU is outstanding and I'm extremely pleased with it. The speakers, sub, not so much. The hot ticket is a plug and play unit.
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You pull the stock amp in the hatch (you can remove it and the FENG), put the DSR1 in, then add your amp(s), swap the speakers and sub out. Look in the audio section of the RS forum for details. I can't wait to do mine. But yeah, the Golf R premium audio kills it. For me good news is these new processors that make fixing it cheap, and relatively easy. I'll be removing the FENG, the stock sony amp, and sub, and putting in aftermarket for an excellent system. (look for markboris's posts on the forum, as he has been a wealth of information on this)

True, but everything is functional. I especially like how the wipers work. The heated seats and heated steering wheel you'll love in the winter. I love how everything is laid out, super functional on all the switches and buttons. You can swap out the ugly Sony logo'd deal in the center stack for the European one, as well as the cupholder. Euro version way better. Both of those parts can be ordered from England and many have swapped them over to clean it up. The rest, like the plastic, is what it is. Had they spruced all that stuff up, more $$$$$. I like it, even the simple analog gauges. The Sync3 system making up for a lot of what I don't like.

You ain't seen nuttin' yet. Put it in drift, go corner, but don't go flat out, work your way up. You'll soon discover the raddest thing about the car, the rwd bias of the AWD system. It's stunning to drive.

Same, came close to buying the R but VW wouldn't deal a penny. Like you I got my RS for under invoice, $1400 under invoice and it's worth every penny. Also not a DD for me so for my needs I chose the perfect car.
Dyno'd mine on Saturday for a baseline prior to the FSA. 300/330 (on a Mustang dyno) and I'll be tuning it later after parts are bought (WGA, new FMIC [ETS], Mountune intake/charge piping/exhaust) as well as acquiring the Tractive dampers. A friend is giving me his DSC controller so I'm 1/2 way to the full tractive setup once the dampers are released. My stage 2 GR/STi made 290/340 on the same dyno (AEM intake, Cobb catted DP, Borla exhaust and EBCS) and this car stock, is right there, 10HP up, and 10 ft lbs down, so a complete wash afaiac.

Give it some time. Until you are thrashing it around turns and beating on it, well you're in for a treat. Hope some of this helps. Every car in this class has its' faults. The Golf R is a little numb (but the best DD), the RS is a bit hardcore all the way around, stiff, and driving position more suited for hard cornering than sitting in traffic, the STi is a g damn sedan (yuck) with a 90's engine, and the CTR is fail wheel drive and looks like it came out of a Michael Bay film. And yes, if Booby would have given us the Levorg 2.0 DIT I wouldn't be having this conversation. Many of us wouldn't. I refused to buy a sedan and can't give Booby my hard earned money for something I don't want but I still respect them and their vehicles. In 2015, with the VA, had they offered a STi hatch with a new motor I would have bought it. If they offered a WRX hatch with the 2.0 FA DIT I would have bought it. I would have even bought a, excuse me while I throw up in my mouth a bit, 2.0 FA DIT Levorg with the throwup CVT. No, no, and no was their answer. Ok then, happy trails ma f's. Enjoy your new HQ
Trust me, I'm not down on the car at all - just putting together my first impressions. Overall, I'm loving the car (in the limited miles I've put on it).

Regarding the stereo - I do really like the Sync3. Probably one of the better OEM UIs, certainly better than Subaru's (the UI my wife's Outback drives me NUTS - it is sooooo slow to react, especially right when you start the car). Having Android Auto was a must for me as well - I can't believe Subaru hasn't opened that up for all platforms yet. I've already started to go through some of the audio upgrade threads on the FoRS forums to see what can be done about that damn stock sub. Also digging through the thread on Homelink/dimming rear view mirrors too. Just a bummer for a $40k+ car to not have a better stereo or dimming mirror.

I'll check the PSI on the tires too and see if that helps anything at all. I pushed the car a bit yesterday and felt the AWD respond pleasantly. Not quite twisting the rear of the car around like my 6spd swapped WRX, but no hint of understeer. Very composed, again.

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Old 05-01-2018, 12:56 PM   #156
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It's not the stiffness for me it's the pogo effect (bounciness), but that can be addressed with some $249 springs. Also there was a strut change in late 2017 for the RS which has helped with the suspension and pogo. All the 2018's have the new struts. Not sure when DrnknZag's car was built but it should be on all RS's built sometime after July 2017.

But I do agree that a slightly softer suspension would not have been a bad thing, as long as it didn't negatively affect turn in and handling.

I am doing springs and rear sway bar this summer along with an alignment.
My build was June 2017 - so I'm likely in the older set up. It's not enough of a problem for me (yet) to look into changing anything though. If it were my DD, I might though.
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The pogo effect was real in track mode. Wasn't too bad though, i could tell it really helped the car handle better.

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Old 05-01-2018, 01:15 PM   #158
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The pogo effect was real in track mode. Wasn't too bad though, i could tell it really helped the car handle better.

While in track mode the default damper setting is "sport". You can adjust that to normal and still retain the more aggresive steering and throttle response but lose some of the bounciness. You can also turn traction control back on while in track too

On most roads the pogo is not too bad, but sometimes it's a little much. I was able to ride in an RS that has the Mountune springs and once the springs settled the pogo was greatly reduced.

There are some adjustable coilover options too that still allow you to retain the adjustable controls (Matt Farah installed the KW ones). I just don't want to spend that much money
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It's not the stiffness for me it's the pogo effect (bounciness), but that can be addressed with some $249 springs. Also there was a strut change in late 2017 for the RS which has helped with the suspension and pogo. All the 2018's have the new struts. Not sure when DrnknZag's car was built but it should be on all RS's built sometime after July 2017.

But I do agree that a slightly softer suspension would not have been a bad thing, as long as it didn't negatively affect turn in and handling.

I am doing springs and rear sway bar this summer along with an alignment.
DSC is about to release the tractive damper setups. I've already got a DSC controller donated to me by a friend so I'll be buying the Tractive dampers this summer and can provide feedback once the controller and new active suspension is in. Been waiting on this setup as it is highly recommended by the owner of my tuning shop. He's been putting in the Tractive dampers w/controller into the P cars for a while and those guys love the setup. Can't wait. Now if the local dealer will get off their arse and schedule the RSA work so I can move on. I've got a steeda clutch spring and perch, Mountune SS, and bushings all waiting to go in. SS, suspension, and audio upgrades this year. Next year powah!
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DSC is about to release the tractive damper setups. I've already got a DSC controller donated to me by a friend so I'll be buying the Tractive dampers this summer and can provide feedback once the controller and new active suspension is in. Been waiting on this setup as it is highly recommended by the owner of my tuning shop. He's been putting in the Tractive dampers w/controller into the P cars for a while and those guys love the setup. Can't wait. Now if the local dealer will get off their arse and schedule the RSA work so I can move on. I've got a steeda clutch spring and perch, Mountune SS, and bushings all waiting to go in. SS, suspension, and audio upgrades this year. Next year powah!
DSC is good stuff. I would consider that route with tractive dampers too, but I am not going too crazy with mods until I know I will keep the car long term.
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The pogo effect isn't too annoying in normal mode in my opinion.

Interesting that Ford changed the struts mid 2017 - just from a quick reading, it looks like it only affected the front struts? I definitely have more reading to do for sure. Looks like they can be had for under $400 total from some online Ford parts websites? Could be an interesting upgrade. The RS will definitely stay 100% stock, but the OEM upgrade might be enticing....
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Old 05-02-2018, 12:13 PM   #162
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The pogo effect isn't too annoying in normal mode in my opinion.

Interesting that Ford changed the struts mid 2017 - just from a quick reading, it looks like it only affected the front struts? I definitely have more reading to do for sure. Looks like they can be had for under $400 total from some online Ford parts websites? Could be an interesting upgrade. The RS will definitely stay 100% stock, but the OEM upgrade might be enticing....
Yes just the front struts. I would try driving an 18 first to see if it is worth it to you. My favorite drive mode is Track with normal suspension and traction control back on. Try that setting next time you are on a fun backroad. I am amazed at how much speed this thing can carry into corners and still feel 100% planted/stable.

One downside to this car. My wife never wanted to drive my C7. I think she was just too intimidated by the car. In the last two weeks she has taken the RS keys multiple times because "she is putting too my miles on the Odyssey" ....
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One downside to this car. My wife never wanted to drive my C7. I think she was just too intimidated by the car. In the last two weeks she has taken the RS keys multiple times because "she is putting too my miles on the Odyssey" ....


Funny thing, one of the reasons I moved on from my WRX was the fact that my wife wouldn't drive it - I actually wanted something she'd be comfortable driving (in case I need the Outback for anything).
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I inherited a C6 Corvette and ended up selling it within a couple months. “Too much on”, is one abstract phrase I’ll use to describe it. It’s a sports car thats good for one thing.

The Golf R, GTI and RS are all good at daily activities. And when you want to travel at a spirited pace, they’re not obnoxiously loud about it. The Vette would’ve landed me in jail. I just wanted to lay into the throttle all the time.

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I inherited a C6 Corvette and ended up selling it within a couple months. “Too much on”, is one abstract phrase I’ll use to describe it. It’s a sports car that good for one thing.

The Golf R, GTI and RS are all good at daily activities. And when you want to travel at a spirited pace, they’re not obnoxiously loud about it. The Vette would’ve landed me in jail. I just wanted to lay into the throttle all the time.
I really miss the V8 sound and the low end torque. On the other hand I can actually have work calls during my commute in my car again

I will say the RS is a vault in terms of road/outside noise. I think it might quieter than my Golf R was and much more quiet than an STI.
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I really miss the V8 sound and the low end torque. On the other hand I can actually have work calls during my commute in my car again

I will say the RS is a vault in terms of road/outside noise. I think it might quieter than my Golf R was and much more quiet than an STI.
It is. Still surprised at the quality of the sound deadening, and the stout build quality as well. Mine is as tight as a drum. Solid German build. So quiet with no music I can hear my clutch spring creaking. But Iím replacing it soon with the steeda, along with a new perch. Iím very curious if the de-FENG changes that fact.
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I inherited a C6 Corvette and ended up selling it within a couple months. ďToo much onĒ, is one abstract phrase Iíll use to describe it.
That's a good description of the GT350. It's almost too much for the street and I don't possess the restraint required to drive it in such a way that keeps me out of jail. Additionally, my wife hated the car so much that she wouldn't ride in it. Given that, I joined the RS club and traded the Shelby on a loaded 2017 RS2 in white. It was the last 17 on the lot and they were quite motivated to sell. I'll miss the FPC soundtrack, but that's about it. The RS is a *much* easier car to live with on a daily basis and is an absolute riot to drive on the mountain roads around our house. I'll be putting the STi up for sale shortly.
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That's a good description of the GT350. It's almost too much for the street and I don't possess the restraint required to drive it in such a way that keeps me out of jail.
How long did you have it for?


So far, so good for me. I took the wife for a first drive yesterday and she loved it. No way would I daily my GT350, but itís put some excitement back into my automotive life. The loud button is a great feature. I keep it quiet on the way out of the neighborhood (lots of horses).

We passed by a Focus RS during the drive and got a thumbs up. Iím debating on selling the Golf R.

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Thinking about it...the RS would be a livelier car to daily than a Golf R. Iíd need a white one with no sunroof.
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Not long, only 6 months. The RS is a blast, but the Golf R is better complement to the GT350, IMHO. What color is the Shelby?
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Yeah...that. Vary nice - that's one helluva stable.
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That's a good description of the GT350. It's almost too much for the street and I don't possess the restraint required to drive it in such a way that keeps me out of jail. Additionally, my wife hated the car so much that she wouldn't ride in it. Given that, I joined the RS club and traded the Shelby on a loaded 2017 RS2 in white. It was the last 17 on the lot and they were quite motivated to sell. I'll miss the FPC soundtrack, but that's about it. The RS is a *much* easier car to live with on a daily basis and is an absolute riot to drive on the mountain roads around our house. I'll be putting the STi up for sale shortly.
I felt the same way about my 5.0. When I bought it, I was living out in the country where I could go out with no one around and tear ass around in it without hurting anyone or ending up in jail. Then I moved to the Phoenix area and there was nowhere to safely and legally push it and it was killing me on my daily commute. I ultimately ended up with my current GTI after an aborted attempt to stick with Ford. It's not nearly as fast as the GT was, but it does just about everything else better.
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Went to test drive an Ď18 RS, golf r, and sti on friday in preparation of my insurance company totaling out my 06 modded sti. RS still had the shipping blocks and Iím sure the tires were over inflated so couldnít really test the handling. The golf r I only got to sit in as they wouldnít let me test drive. And the sti was the same didnít get to push it. Aside from the newer tech and nicer interiors vs what Iíve been driving for the last twelve years.
The two I did test drive really didnít impress me on power as Iíve been used to 320whp on 16 psi 91 oct and 405 whp on 23 psi 100 oct. with 15k in upgrades in my 06 I may just have my car fixed as a restored salvage and avoid taking on a car payment and install the 3k in suspension parts I ordered from turn in concepts that were supposed to be installed 2 days after my accident.

Even though Iíve been feeling like my car doesnít feel fast anymore the others still felt slower.

I think having to start over with a car payment and with power upgrades to reach the power Iíd be content with is the only thing that might keep me from pulling the trigger on one of the three as well as what the insurance company offers me. I have some thinking to do.
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