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Old 11-20-2019, 09:46 AM   #1
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Default Toyota Revs Up Lineup with New 302-Horsepower RAV4 Prime

https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-...er-rav4-prime/

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The Most Powerful and Quickest RAV4 Ever
The Most Fuel-Efficient RAV4 Ever
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Available in SE and XSE Model Grades
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LOS ANGELES (Nov. 20, 2019) Ė The fifth-generation Toyota RAV4, on the market for barely a year, is going more places than it has ever gone before. The arrival of the first-ever RAV4 TRD Off-Road model was announced earlier this year, and today, at the Los Angeles Auto Show, Toyota debuts a new premium, fun-to-drive RAV4 performance model with an estimated 302-horsepower, advanced all-wheel drive, sport-tuned suspension and exclusive design features.

It just happens to also be the first-ever RAV4 plug-in hybrid electric vehicle (PHEV). And so, in addition to an ability to do 0-60 mph in a projected 5.8 seconds, which is the second quickest acceleration time in the Toyota lineup, it can drive an estimated 39 miles on battery alone on a single charge, which is the highest EV range of any PHEV SUV on the market. The RAV4 Prime also has a manufacturer-estimated 90 combined MPGe. Welcome to a new chapter of Toyota SUV performance.
More at the link above. Ford what?

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Old 11-20-2019, 09:49 AM   #2
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Here's the thing.

There is a rising ideology that is anti internal combustion engine. There are a growing number of people who are disgusted by them, whether that's logical and makes environmental sense (well to wheel emission) or not. That's why ICE are slowly being banned and why Toyota is increasingly seen as a sellout for not going full EV. I say that as someone who currently has a Model 3 and a Mustang and a Challenger.

So it's not a direct competitor to the EV Mustang even though on paper they share similar MPGe and straight line acceleration figures.

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Old 11-20-2019, 10:51 AM   #3
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Here's my big issue with the Mach-E, or any EV for that matter: Cost vs convenience. I don't like the idea of paying money for something that cannot be refueled on a trip in a timely fashion or in an accessible location (almost every exit on every highway in the country). One has to plan their route around where they're going, while tied to an infrastructure that's still not only in its infancy, but very non-universal.

Great, you have a Tesla. Can you charge anything else on a Tesla Supercharger? No. If you don't have a Tesla, you gotta find someplace else.

Gas? I know where I can get gas. Everywhere. I'm not tied to a particular route. It's universally used and locatable. Every gas car can use gas from anywhere. I don't have to go miles (more time) out of my way to get it. An in an emergency, I can bring the gas to my car, should I run out.

Ideaologies are just that... a belief of something. Logic usually takes over eventually.

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Old 11-20-2019, 10:53 AM   #4
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I may be wrong here, but isn't the RAV-4 the derivative of the Corolla? Like the CR-v/Civic. If it is, they need to put that drivetrain into the Corolla hatch and they can take my $$$$$$$. That would be the commuter driod I am looking for.
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Old 11-20-2019, 10:54 AM   #5
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I'm less concerned with the debate going on in this thread between "e-mustang and rav-4 with more power" and more pissed about the fact that toyota somehow found the balls to bump the FORKING RAV4 power for no reason while still refusing to power bump the twins.

Get out of here with this garbage man. Stop giving the slices of pie I want to the CUV crowd.
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Old 11-20-2019, 11:00 AM   #6
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Here's my big issue with the Mach-E, or any EV for that matter: Cost vs convenience. I don't like the idea of paying money for something that cannot be refueled on a trip in a timely fashion or in an accessible location (almost every exit on every highway in the country). One has to plan their route around where they're going, while tied to an infrastructure that's still not only in its infancy, but very non-universal.

Great, you have a Tesla. Can you charge anything else on a Tesla Supercharger? No. If you don't have a Tesla, you gotta find someplace else.

Gas? I know where I can get gas. Everywhere. I'm not tied to a particular route. It's universally used and locatable. Every gas car can use gas from anywhere. I don't have to go miles (more time) out of my way to get it. An in an emergency, I can bring the gas to my car, should I run out.

Ideaologies are just that... a belief of something. Logic usually takes over eventually.

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You can charge on other Level 2 chargers with a Tesla, so most public places that are not meant for road trips. For road trips you can charge on Chademo network (EVGO, same as Leaf) with an expensive adapter, you just don't have access to CCS chargers (Electrify America). You can also charge at a hotel that has 240V or a camp ground. Anything with a standard 240V outlet (NEMA 14-50, often found on dryers and ovens) will work too, and the Tesla store has a whole bunch of adapters you can use for various types of AC plugs.

In europe the connectors are more standardized and Tesla uses that standard plug, so you have wider charging options for fast charging.

The navigation system will automatically plan your supercharging stops if you use the Tesla charging network.

But no, it's still not as convenient as a gas car. I'm not sure how many people are going EV only these days (no back up ICE car), especially if they live outside of California or some European countries.
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Old 11-20-2019, 11:09 AM   #7
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It would be nice if they would standardize the voltage and adapters.
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Old 11-20-2019, 11:24 AM   #8
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This is a fantastic product from Toyota. AWD, better performance than the ICE, very competitive electric range, good efficiency thereafter. I hope this sells like hotcakes.
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Old 11-20-2019, 11:30 AM   #9
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Great combination of power, AWD, and efficiency. So what is the price going to be?
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Meanwhile, they dropped the HP in the Highlander Hybrid to 240 hp? I wonder if there's a highlander hybrid prime in the works?

I'm ultimately in the market for a 3 row in the next year or two, and watching Toyota's moves pretty heavily...
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Old 11-20-2019, 11:42 AM   #11
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39 miles on a charge is really good too - I could make it to work almost entirely in electric mode, charge at work and EV my ass home
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Old 11-20-2019, 11:49 AM   #12
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Meanwhile, they dropped the HP in the Highlander Hybrid to 240 hp? I wonder if there's a highlander hybrid prime in the works?

I'm ultimately in the market for a 3 row in the next year or two, and watching Toyota's moves pretty heavily...
The new Highlander hybrid is now paired with a 4 cylinder vs a V6, thus the power drop. But now it makes room and a case for a Highlander PHEV Prime.
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I saw a new Rav 4 XSE in the parking lot recently and it actually looked pretty good. The pictures on Toyota's site for the Prime are nice and that performance/fuel economy is quite nice.



Does Toyota have any federal credits left?
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Old 11-20-2019, 12:13 PM   #14
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The new Highlander hybrid is now paired with a 4 cylinder vs a V6, thus the power drop. But now it makes room and a case for a Highlander PHEV Prime.
I'm well aware of the reasons for the power drop. It's clear they're seeking to increase their on-paper MPG. The unfortunate thing is that people are going to be WOT all the damn time to get that heavy thing moving and will never get the actual rated MPG.

The regular Hybrid Rav4 weighs around 3800 lbs and gets 220 hp. The 2020 highlander hybrid weighs 4500+ lbs and gets 240 hp. Almost 1000 lbs, and only 20 hp bump? Then they offer this Rav4 Prime at the same HP that the Highlander hybrid used to have?

On the flip side though, this Rav4 Prime would likely be pretty nice to drive. If I were still in the market for a 2 row SUV, it'd certainly be on the list.
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Does Toyota have any federal credits left?
They're just over 1/2 way through their allocation.

https://evadoption.com/ev-sales/fede...-by-automaker/

Won't qualify for any rebate in my State, through (Mass.)

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Here's the thing.

There is a rising ideology that is anti internal combustion engine. There are a growing number of people who are disgusted by them, whether that's logical and makes environmental sense (well to wheel emission) or not. That's why ICE are slowly being banned and why Toyota is increasingly seen as a sellout for not going full EV. I say that as someone who currently has a Model 3 and a Mustang and a Challenger.
Honestly, the only place I've seen that sort of ignorant mentality is the Tesla forums, and those guys are largely a special sort of pompous and arrogant. They use the word "ICE" like it's a slur. That's not the mainstream though.
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Honestly, the only place I've seen that sort of ignorant mentality is the Tesla forums, and those guys are largely a special sort of pompous and arrogant. They use the word "ICE" like it's a slur. That's not the mainstream though.
precisely.
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precisely.
Here's the thing we need to realize though: most people (a.k.a. mainstream) don't really care about ICE.
Don't get me wrong, they absolutely care about the convenience of filling up at a gas station for 5 minutes or less.
But, they don't care about what's happening under the hood; they don't care about checking fluid levels, they certainly wouldn't know how to top up any of these fluids anyway, and, even if they knew, they wouldn't want to.
That's why engine oil and tranny fluid dipsticks are going out of style, water/oil temp gauges are pretty much useless nowadays or gone entirely (replaced by simple go/no-go lights, if that).
Why? Because most people don't want to be bothered with details; especially details about oily bits.
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I'll take V6 no hybrid garbage and a quicker time with good enough fuel mileage.
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Interesting. I would expect this covers many folks to and from work. And when you factor in folks who might be able to charge at work it would be a good offering.

I do wonder long term how running very little off the engine is going to work.
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Plug in Rav4? Just found my mom's new car

She currently has the hybrid Rav4 (1.xkwh battery). She loves it. But, she works at a ski area, and doesn't trust a full EV to work well after sitting below freezing for 13+ hours. 39 miles would be enough to get her there, then let gravity do the work to get back home
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I'll take V6 no hybrid garbage and a quicker time with good enough fuel mileage.
It's more powerful and faster than the old V6 one.

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Plug in Rav4? Just found my mom's new car

She currently has the hybrid Rav4 (1.xkwh battery). She loves it. But, she works at a ski area, and doesn't trust a full EV to work well after sitting below freezing for 13+ hours. 39 miles would be enough to get her there, then let gravity do the work to get back home
Regen capabilities on PHEVs (and BEVs) coming down from the mountains are just plain awesome.

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It's more powerful and faster than the old V6 one.
So use the new V6 the Camry gets.
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Honestly, the only place I've seen that sort of ignorant mentality is the Tesla forums, and those guys are largely a special sort of pompous and arrogant. They use the word "ICE" like it's a slur. That's not the mainstream though.
Tesla owners, vegans, and CrossFit people are all so alike. I think shik is the only Tesla owner who isnít throwing the D of Tesla and Elon.
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Here's the thing.

There is a rising ideology that is anti internal combustion engine. There are a growing number of people who are disgusted by them, whether that's logical and makes environmental sense (well to wheel emission) or not. That's why ICE are slowly being banned and why Toyota is increasingly seen as a sellout for not going full EV. I say that as someone who currently has a Model 3 and a Mustang and a Challenger.

So it's not a direct competitor to the EV Mustang even though on paper they share similar MPGe and straight line acceleration figures.
Weird.
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