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Old 10-02-2006, 09:04 AM   #26
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I've driven in some of the brisk TSD's that Ottawagon is talking about in my daily driver. The great thing about them is there are huge snow banks on either side of the road, so if you have an incident damage is relatively minor. Last year I had an encounter with a snow bank. The next car along pulled me out and I was able to continued the event. I had to replace my front bumper skin and one driving light (at my own expence). Luckily my airbag did not go off. If it had I would have been out of the event and I would have been calling the insurance company. And that would have been the end of rallying for me.
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Old 10-02-2006, 09:12 AM   #27
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um..... rally cars remove their airbags
poser rally cars.... take risks *shrug*
Wow...

You realize that there are a lot of different types of rally events, right? Not all of them require WRC levels of prep.

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Old 10-02-2006, 10:06 AM   #28
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Ive seen 2 airbags inflate in real life 5 feet in front of me (safe driving school to lower my insurance, they had the front clip of a car with airbags.)

it sounds exactly like a shotgun, some powder, nothing major.
Yeah - I got to see that demo once as well, it was CRAZY loud and violent! Kind of scary to think about that going off in your face.

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I've driven in some of the brisk TSD's that Ottawagon is talking about in my daily driver. The great thing about them is there are huge snow banks on either side of the road, so if you have an incident damage is relatively minor. Last year I had an encounter with a snow bank. The next car along pulled me out and I was able to continued the event. I had to replace my front bumper skin and one driving light (at my own expence). Luckily my airbag did not go off. If it had I would have been out of the event and I would have been calling the insurance company. And that would have been the end of rallying for me.
In one of the winter rallys last year, one guy had a light encounter with a tree, the airbag went off (when it really probably should not have), and the navigator sustained permanent damage to at least one eye.... have not heard an update on him for a while now, but it was a very non-trivial injury.

That is what I want to avoid! I suspect the wrx deployment system is relatively advanced so as not to deploy when not absolutely needed, but who knows... sometimes if it hits in just the right way, it might set it off.
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Old 10-02-2006, 10:32 AM   #29
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Yeah - I got to see that demo once as well, it was CRAZY loud and violent! Kind of scary to think about that going off in your face.



In one of the winter rallys last year, one guy had a light encounter with a tree, the airbag went off (when it really probably should not have), and the navigator sustained permanent damage to at least one eye.... have not heard an update on him for a while now, but it was a very non-trivial injury.

That is what I want to avoid! I suspect the wrx deployment system is relatively advanced so as not to deploy when not absolutely needed, but who knows... sometimes if it hits in just the right way, it might set it off.
When you say "one guy" everyone here should know this was a very experienced rally person (at the stage-rally level) not some kid out with his new STi. In fact the organizers don't allow noobies to enter these "brisk" events. The CAS's are below the posted speed limit, but they are on roads that don't normally get a lot of use in winter.
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Old 10-02-2006, 11:19 AM   #30
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Yes - Definitely a valid and important point!
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Old 10-02-2006, 11:46 AM   #31
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I suspect the wrx deployment system is relatively advanced so as not to deploy when not absolutely needed, but who knows...
My wrx has had two near identical tree strikes, both taking out the rad and nearly making it to the block. Neither time saw the airbags deployed.
I am inclined to reccomend leaving the airbags active ... as I do in my daily drover for brisk tsds and course car duties ... if for no other reason that the car is designed to give you the best possible protection it can.
There are a number of factors that can change the equation, as an example helmets and airbags are a bad combination. I would think that a 4/5/6 point harness that stops you from moving forward to meet the airbags would likely increase the injury a bag would infilict on you. (The bag face will have reached a higher spped before contact)
Ultimately, I guess I am saying that if you are running the stock 3pt belt and stock seats, you're likely better off leaving the airbags operational. Once we get into adding 4pt harnesses we open up the next can of worms (harneses without a cage) adn really change the dynamics of the accident inside the car.
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Old 10-02-2006, 12:27 PM   #32
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yeah yeah yeah mr too cool for school rally car guy but anyways dude theres like 2 of them yeller-labeled airbag fuses .the SRS can be disabled, the other one is shared with "IGN" when you pull that you will have sucessfully disabled sll the airbags. the car wont start until you put that fuse back in though.
Does the car need it *after* it starts? (edit: pull that fuse specifically after it's running to see if it stops) Is it the key ignition circuit? put a switch on it to turn it off after ignition. Then call your insurance company to get a discount for a hidden ignition interrupt switch.



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Old 10-02-2006, 04:24 PM   #33
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hey Ottawagon,

Our pro rally co-driver Marc asked the same questions about a year or so ago:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hlight=airbags

These events that Ottawagon is talking about are pretty competitive.... and we normally get top Pro Rally teams entering in street vehicles....
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Old 10-02-2006, 04:52 PM   #34
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OMG!!! Marc Goldfarb is going to die!!! I can't believe he'd advocate something so irresponsible!!! We're all going to die!!! Won't anyone think of the children???
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Old 10-02-2006, 05:09 PM   #35
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Our pro rally co-driver Marc ....
Uhemmm.... "our" pro rally co-driver? ORLY?

IIRC Marc now lives in NH which I makes him 'our', New England, irresponsible poser pro-rally co-driver

As for the children..., don them in chain maille....
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Old 10-02-2006, 06:19 PM   #36
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Uhemmm.... "our" pro rally co-driver? ORLY?

IIRC Marc now lives in NH which I makes him 'our', New England, irresponsible poser pro-rally co-driver


I think Robin still gets to say "our" since he crews for Marc and ACP.

And yeah, last year ACP came out to one of our gravel events, as well as one of the winter events. John Buffum co-drove for Paul at that winter one also. This year Matt Iorio is coming to one of the two gravel events this month. It is pretty awesome for us regular dudes to have guys like that show up!
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Old 10-02-2006, 07:12 PM   #37
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I believe you mean, "Poseur."

Bon Soir!
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Old 10-02-2006, 11:18 PM   #38
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OMG!!! Marc Goldfarb is going to die!!! I can't believe he'd advocate something so irresponsible!!! We're all going to die!!! Won't anyone think of the children???
remember Christian..... he's from "live free or die" state! he's not a poseur but a "mad scientist"!

Ya.... been doing this rally thing (crew) for a few times.... right bjorn240? Xgames drive was a fun one...... but glad I had a flight back!
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Old 10-22-2014, 08:34 PM   #39
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With the current recall ongoing, I want to disable my airbags. Is it truly as simple as pulling the airbag fuse? Rather disable them than wait for GM (Saab 92x in my case) to get their **** together.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/...9YKYukFwOR6FwQ
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Toyota said in that it announcement that the Takata passenger airbags are so risky that it wants dealers to get their hands on any unfixed cars among those 247,000 Toyotas and Lexuses in high-humidity areas and either repair them or disable the passenger airbags if they don't have the parts immediately available to fix the problem.e a decision as follows:
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My wife hit a cow doing 55 and no airbags. i guess it depends on what you hit.
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