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Old 11-07-2013, 02:02 PM   #1
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Hyundai's SEMA Show booth may be filled with wild and unbelievable concept cars but the Korean automaker is serious about the aftermarket and proved it today announcing a new crate engine program tailor made for tuners.

Designed for engine swaps, Hyundai will offer both its 2.0-liter turbocharged 4-cylinder and 3.8-liter V6 engines. The 4-cylinder will actually be made available without a turbo for those who prefer to bolt on their own, priced at $4,500 while a turbo-equipped option complete with intercooler and ducting will cost $6,000. Those looking to swap in a powerful V6 can do so for $9,000.

Hyundai calls the pricing "rock-bottom" comparing the $4,500 option to Ford's $8,000 EcoBoost engine.

All engines will come complete with manifolds, injectors and fuel delivery systems.

"As more Genesis Coupes have entered the pre-owned enthusiast market since its 2009 launch, we've witnessed strong interest in leveraging the low cost potential of this rear-drive platform and its powertrains for the tuner market and motorsports," said Hyundai Motor America CEO John Krafcik,. "Now, with our new crate engine program, Hyundai is making it more affordable for these same enthusiasts to modify their Genesis Coupe, or perhaps inject some high-value horsepower into other platforms."

Hyundai's new crate engine program will begin next month with sales through authorized Hyundai dealerships. Each engine will come with a 12-month/12,000 mile warranty.
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Old 11-07-2013, 02:18 PM   #2
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There's a market for this?

Hell, I'm not sure there is even a market for Fords engine program (outside of the V8's)
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Old 11-07-2013, 02:19 PM   #3
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Factory sealed long blocks for 4500? Hardly anything to derp at. Thats awesome.

Thousands of wrx owners wishing they had an option like that.
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Old 11-07-2013, 02:20 PM   #4
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There's a market for this?

Hell, I'm not sure there is even a market for Fords engine program (outside of the V8's)
Not really, those motors dont eat themselves like ej's...
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Old 11-07-2013, 02:39 PM   #5
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The 2.0t is definitely an awesome platform. The one thing I wonder is if the 2.0t is the DI (sonata) or regular port injection (g-coupe). Virtually the same engine, with a major difference in modernization.
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Old 11-07-2013, 02:40 PM   #6
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Factory sealed long blocks for 4500? Hardly anything to derp at. Thats awesome.

Thousands of wrx owners wishing they had an option like that.
Admittedly I don't know much about hyundais, for under $9,000 you can have an LS3 or 5.0 coyote.

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Hyundai calls the pricing "rock-bottom" comparing the $4,500 option to Ford's $8,000 EcoBoost engine.
Comparing N/A to complete turbo setup is not "rock-bottom" by any means.
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Not really, those motors dont eat themselves like ej's...
Eating themselves like EJ's? Yeah, no. Left stock the EJ's are fine, just like Hyundai / KIA engines. Start playing around and things break (yes, we all aware of the engines on the 09 WRX) How often do people modify a Hyundai or KIA to the extent of a WRX?
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i wish subaru would offer a crate engine.
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Old 11-07-2013, 03:28 PM   #9
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Eating themselves like EJ's? Yeah, no. Left stock the EJ's are fine, just like Hyundai / KIA engines. Start playing around and things break (yes, we all aware of the engines on the 09 WRX) How often do people modify a Hyundai or KIA to the extent of a WRX?
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Lots. It's also fairly common to get an SFR tune that bumps 2.0t levels to around 300hp AND you get a 2nd ECU for like $50 straight from Korea before import and dealer supply markup bull****.
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Old 11-07-2013, 05:13 PM   #10
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Admittedly I don't know much about hyundais, for under $9,000 you can have an LS3 or 5.0 coyote.
Hell, for less than $8k, you can get an Aluminator(forged internal Coyote) direct from Ford.

But yeah, other than a Genesis with a blown engine, what kind of swap are you going to want to do with these engines?
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Old 11-07-2013, 05:24 PM   #11
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But yeah, other than a Genesis with a blown engine, what kind of swap are you going to want to do with these engines?
kit car.
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Old 11-07-2013, 08:36 PM   #12
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Really?

Out of the plethora of engine options, you are going to run down to your local Hyundai dealer?
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...no, I'd order from the website.

Can't get market share without having a product on the market. This is their start, and the clearly believe there's a segment they can compete in - there's a lot of interest in compact turbocharged 4cyls these days. The more options, the better.
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Old 11-07-2013, 10:23 PM   #14
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Now wait a minute. GM's crate motor/swapping kits for putting LSx engines into muscle cars are pretty thorough. What's this Hyundai offering going to come with? How much trouble will it be to get gauges in the car working, to get electronic throttle and transmission stuff sorted out?

If I want to put an LS3 with 6 speed auto into my Chevelle, I can go to GM and get the engine with special "engine swap" tune on the ECU so it works right. I get the transmission with controller. I get wiring capability to easily hook up regular old gauges with analog wires, bypassing CAN signals used in modern engines. I think the only thing GM doesn't sell are actual physical engine mounts, relying instead on the aftermarket to supply them.

I hope Hyundai can be that thorough.
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I'm assuming they've thought of this but this project is dead in the water until they make these engines easier to tune.
They were absolute ****ing nightmares last time I checked.
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Eating themselves like EJ's? Yeah, no. Left stock the EJ's are fine, just like Hyundai / KIA engines. Start playing around and things break (yes, we all aware of the engines on the 09 WRX) How often do people modify a Hyundai or KIA to the extent of a WRX?


This whole article/crate engine thing is aimed at the tuner crowd.

And I'm not calling the EJ's necessarily unreliable in stock form, but they're hardly a stout engine, particularly on the rod bearing front.

Out of the 5 WRXs I've owned, 3 have been bought by me with bad motors (spun bearings). Two of those three were stock cars with about 100k on them. Possibly owner abuse...sure...

And, since the program is aimed at enthusiasts, well, good chance things aren't stock. In which case, I'm not sure you can call an EJ super reliable anymore.
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Comparing N/A to complete turbo setup is not "rock-bottom" by any means.
That was the article screwing up, it's $8k to $6k, which is still significantly cheaper.
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Old 11-08-2013, 10:23 AM   #18
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Can I drop it into an 88 Accent?
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While it IS an odd engine to be offered as a crate motor, you'd be surprised at how many people use random engines for whatever purposes. I work in insurance, and I went with my boss a few years ago to a dune buggy/sand rail show. The LSx motors were by far the most commonly used engine in them, but I saw number of booths with Honda motors, particularly their V-6s (I think some 3.5s and 3.7s). Don't get me wrong though, I still don't know who would really want to go for those motors other than cars that already had those motors in them but need a replacement.
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While it IS an odd engine to be offered as a crate motor, you'd be surprised at how many people use random engines for whatever purposes. I work in insurance, and I went with my boss a few years ago to a dune buggy/sand rail show. The LSx motors were by far the most commonly used engine in them, but I saw number of booths with Honda motors, particularly their V-6s (I think some 3.5s and 3.7s). Don't get me wrong though, I still don't know who would really want to go for those motors other than cars that already had those motors in them but need a replacement.
Your last sentence echoes my sentiments.

LS series? Well, duh

Honda? Perfect sense as it's a Honda. It will be rock solid and cheap parts.

Toyota? See Honda.

Subaru? Perfect swap into a Beetle / Bus / Sand rail. Bonus is low center of gravity for sandrails.

Hyundai / KIA? This program will be great for stock replacements (which BTW we do on average 3 KIA engines a month here) Most of the parts are on the cheap side, but like was mentioned earlier GM makes it easy to drop it into a random application. Hyundai? Unless they offer an engine harness and ECM combo (like GM and Ford Racing do) then this will be a complete nightmare to make work (unless you run it with a Link / Hydra / MegaSquirt)
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I hadn't realized that Kia and Hyundai didn't use the same ECM systems. The Kia ones are much less nightmarish, I assume?
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I hadn't realized that Kia and Hyundai didn't use the same ECM systems. The Kia ones are much less nightmarish, I assume?
Wait, what engines are we walking about here? I thought all the engines shared between the two brands were very similar, maybe just a slightly different tune?

I mean for example Kia doesn't have a Genesis coupe equivalent so of course they're not going to have the port injected 2 liter turbo. But the Optima turbo and Sonata Turbo should have a very similar engine right?
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Your last sentence echoes my sentiments.

LS series? Well, duh

Honda? Perfect sense as it's a Honda. It will be rock solid and cheap parts.

Toyota? See Honda.

Subaru? Perfect swap into a Beetle / Bus / Sand rail. Bonus is low center of gravity for sandrails.

Hyundai / KIA? This program will be great for stock replacements (which BTW we do on average 3 KIA engines a month here) Most of the parts are on the cheap side, but like was mentioned earlier GM makes it easy to drop it into a random application. Hyundai? Unless they offer an engine harness and ECM combo (like GM and Ford Racing do) then this will be a complete nightmare to make work (unless you run it with a Link / Hydra / MegaSquirt)
Tuning is still going to be a hassle, but you realize that the 2.0T engine is essentially an Evo X engine, right?
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Not really. The information in the article even confirms that they're "similar" but not identical... not quite close enough to say its "essentially" the same motor.
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Not really. The information in the article even confirms that they're "similar" but not identical... not quite close enough to say its "essentially" the same motor.
That said a number of guys have been able to get 4B11T manifolds and turbos to work on the Theta 2.0t without too much trouble.
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