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11-12-2006, 04:25 AM | #1 |
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December Road & Track - MS3 vs. WRX Limited
I recently received R&T in the mail.
2007 Mazdaspeed 3 Curb Weight: 3180 lb 0 - 60 mph: 5.9 sec 0 - 100 mph: 14.4 sec Quarter mile: 14.3 @ 99.3 mph 60 - 0 mph: 119 feet Lateral Acceleration on 200-ft skidpad: 0.83g Slalom speed on 700-ft slalom with 100-ft spacing: 63.5 mph Tires: Bridgestone Potenza RE050A 2006 Impreza WRX Limited Curb Weight: 3240 lb 0 - 60 mph: 5.6 sec 0 - 100 mph: 16.0 sec Quarter mile: 14.2 @ 94.3 mph 60 - 0 mph: 131 feet Lateral Acceleration on 200-ft skidpad: 0.79g Slalom speed on 700-ft slalom with 100-ft spacing: 64.8 mph Tires: Bridgestone Potenza RE92A Looking at the numbers, it seems the Mazdaspeed 3 has a soft suspension. Braking and lateral acceleration differences are highly dependent on the type of tires. The slalom speed is based on tires and the shocks and springs. Given the WRX managed to overcome it's deficiency in tire grip and pull out a higher slalom speed makes me think the WRX could match in handling if given the same tires. I think Mazda's car give better driving dynamics than the Subaru's from my experience (from driver feedback to preditability of the car's movements to directness of inputs given). However, the Mazdaspeed 3 will be all over the WRX without the WRX modifying. I think my conclusions are backed up here in the MotorTrend article, where the two cars were autocrossed: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...k_testing.html The lap times were so close that changing the tires on the WRX TR would have allowed it to beat the MS3.
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11-12-2006, 05:46 AM | #2 |
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It's silly to compare 2 cars with such different tires. The RE0x0 series is a hi-perf summer tire, while the RE92 is an all-season tire. Put equal rubber on both cars and the braking, lateral acceleration, and slalom speeds will be even better on the WRX.
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11-12-2006, 06:18 AM | #3 |
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So it is slower. The only thing that the skidpad tells us is that the Mazda has better tires but that isnt too hard to figure out just by knowing anything about tires.
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11-12-2006, 07:56 AM | #5 |
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I dont know how they only got a 94 mph trap speed out of the WRX.It's gotta be good for 96-97mph on a bad day.
0-100mph WRX - 16.0 MSP - 14.4 |
11-12-2006, 10:16 AM | #6 |
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.....d000000ds have posted slips for bone stock '06 WRX's in the upper 13's.....and a good alignment and tires will make a HUGE difference in the handling
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11-12-2006, 10:36 AM | #8 |
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what a crock. subaru loses every comparo, and they ALWAYS point at the tires. I wish someone would do it properly and throw the same make of tire on both cars.
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11-12-2006, 10:38 AM | #9 |
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11-12-2006, 10:55 AM | #10 |
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Uh, no. There's a good reason they put the RE92 on there. Same reason the debuted the Forester in Colorado. A majority of their customers are not nabisco members prone to tuning for dry handling. THey sell as many Subies in Co and New England as in the rest of the country combined. It's a cold weather, foul conditions car.
I think the dealers should have a free or minmal charge upgrade to decent summer tires for every impreeza. |
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11-12-2006, 11:19 AM | #12 |
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Predictable until you hit a drop of water. POS tires.
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11-12-2006, 11:27 AM | #13 |
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11-12-2006, 11:37 AM | #14 |
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Nice! Why do I love the Legacy Sedan so much? I LOVE the rear end.
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11-12-2006, 11:40 AM | #15 |
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The Camry ass is fugly???
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11-12-2006, 11:45 AM | #17 |
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is that 0-100 16s a typo? or did they stall the car after the 1/4 mile?
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Ehh they're somewhat predictable on water but after that as the conditions worsen they're completely unpredictable. And worthless, I've had cheaper all season tires that handily outperformed them. These tires are a disservice to people in CO, the northeast and anywhere else thats snowy, which is where Subarus tend to be most popular. It's not a matter about high speed performance, subaru could simply just include a far more predictable and capable tire and anyone would benefit from it.
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11-12-2006, 12:36 PM | #21 |
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The worst is dry to wet transitions: spinout!!!!
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11-12-2006, 12:46 PM | #22 |
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Given that they are almost identical in price, I'll take the AWD and buy a Subaru. I like to play in the snow.
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Why would they change the tires for a magazine test when those are the tires that each car comes with?
If you change the tires, you misrepresent the car you are buying ... looking at percentages, how many people do you think actually change the tires on their WRX before they wear out? Probably not many |
11-12-2006, 01:18 PM | #25 |
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Because tires last for a fraction of the life of the car. Most people will upgrade, or buy whatever the tire guys recommends.
If a person isn't going to upgrade tires, they likely don't read R&T, DON'T drive hard, and will never learn the limits of RE92's. Those reading R&T care which tires are on the car, likely drive spiritedly, are looking at the WRX as a sporty option, and would immediately or eventually upgrade to a more suitable tire. The mags blow off the WRX as inferior in testing; yet they tout themselves as being 'the enthusiasts choice'. Automobile did the same test, and of course the Mazda won. But in the sidebar, they had two autoX champions drive both cars in an autox, and both preferred the Subie. Uh-huh. IMO, mags should put the same tires on every car for testing numbers/times. Otherwise they're simply testing tires: oh, the re92's suck, the 050's are better. |
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