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Old 01-22-2002, 09:40 PM   #1
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Default Modifying brake feel...

...the stock brakes stop the car well enough, however I think that the feel through the pedal really sucks. In my opinion it's too light and does not transmit what's going on at the pavement.

Is there anything I can do about this? The only things I can really think of is to buy some stainless steel brake lines. Would changing to the four piston front calipers help any? How about disabling the ABS? I really don't like ABS anyway so it wouldn't bother me much.

Any suggestions?
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Old 01-22-2002, 10:03 PM   #2
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I just recently installed Goodridge SS line and Motul RBF 600 brake fluid. Thrust me, it will give you MORE feel! Goodbye sponginess...

Cheap too... Good luck!

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Old 01-22-2002, 10:11 PM   #3
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I just recently installed Goodridge SS line and Motul RBF 600 brake fluid. Thrust me, it will give you MORE feel! Goodbye sponginess...

Cheap too... Good luck!

Matt
Cheap is a good thing.

Thanks for the suggestion, I'll try that as soon as I can get around to it and if that doesn't do the trick I'll hunt for some different pads.

I'm just getting tired of having to be super extra careful when I swing my heel around to the throttle when I downshift. I've thrown myself hard against the seat belt a couple times after stabing at the throttle.

I would attribute that to lack of driving skill if I didn't know better. I've never had that problem in my RX-7, the brakes in it feel perfect to me.
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Old 01-23-2002, 02:12 AM   #4
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I have seen this around but never really heard anybody have this. Master Cylinder Support Bracket
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Old 01-23-2002, 10:34 AM   #5
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Jung918...
I have this getting ready for installation soon. I'll have a write-up up with pics shortly, just a preview, the fit and finish SUCKS!

Fortunately, I have access to a machine shop and it's getting "re-worked" right now. Too bad that I have to "re-design" what MRT did, very disappointing. Anyhow, hopefully, it'll at least work as advertised.


Stay tuned...

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Old 01-23-2002, 10:50 AM   #6
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On the GC8s you can replace the dual stage brake booster with a single stage one. This makes a lot of difference. There also is a bit of slack in the brake pedal before it engages. Do a search to find out how to do that. As I said, these are GC8 mods, my guess is that it'll work with yours too. And as mentioned earlier by Matt SS brakelines and decent fluid will help, add some EBC Reds brake pads that'll firm up the pedal a tad as well as help your braking.

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Old 01-23-2002, 11:47 AM   #7
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Be careful with the EBC Reds as they are designated as "Track Pads" and require more heat to work at full force.
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Old 01-23-2002, 12:49 PM   #8
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Mav1c,
EBC reds are not a track pad per se, they are an aggressive street pad recommended for faster and heavier street vehicles such as 4WD cars, muscle cars with no warm up needed. They can be used as a track pad with a lighter car.

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Old 01-25-2002, 01:06 AM   #9
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Mturmel...
I got an idea... Why don't you make these cylinder bracket and i'll test it out for you...
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Jung918,
hehe, I wish I could. Mind you, I have acces to CAD as well. I lack the time though. However, it would be a nice CAD project. Anyway, the rework is almost done. Should install it in a week or two.

Stay tuned

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I know of one B13 SE-R driver that melted through a fresh set of EBC Reds in 2 or 3 20-minute sessions on-track. He didn't think much of their stopping power either. I'm running Castrol GT LMA in my car for street/autox, it seemed to help the pedal feel out a good bit. If you want something a bit more aggressive, run some ATE Super Blue. Myself and a few others have found the ATE gives a stiffer pedal than the Motul RBF 600, which is an excellent fluid as well. I suggest calling Carbotech Engineering www.carbotecheng.com and chat with one of the people there. They can give you a lot of good advice on how to meet your braking goals, even if that means running a pad they do not make or custom-building a pad from another manufacturer's compound. Their customer service RULES.
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Old 03-11-2002, 09:01 PM   #12
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Sorry to bring up a dead thread, but I was running a few searches on brake fluids and I came back across this one. I thought it had died, thanks for all the advice I missed!

I'm buying new pads, very soon, as in tomorrow. I'll be giving the guys at www.carbotecheng.com a call tomorrow to discuss what I could use.

Basically, I want the most agressive "street" pad I can find that's not going to eat my rotors alive. A little more wear than normal is acceptable, but I don't want to have to change the rotors every time I change the pads. I also don't mind a bit of time to warm them up, I have to let the engine warm up too so I have no problems with doing the same for the brakes.

Before I got back to this thread I thought I was gonna go with some Axxis Metal Masters, but I'm curious about the EBC Reds. I would like something that's not going to fade so quickly on the track, basically. I find the stopping power of the stock pads to be adequate, but I have some AVS Intermediates on order so I *may* need a bit more grab.

Primary goal is usefulness at track days, but still streetable. After I get another set of wheels so I can mount some R-compounds on the stock tires I may buy a set of race pads and rotors to swap out at the track. But that's a goal that's a bit down the road, I plan on attending quite a few auto-x's and track days before I get to that point.
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