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Old 02-20-2020, 10:43 AM   #126
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There's also the 2021 Phoenix Yellow Limited Edition CTR as a throwback to the DC2 ITR. Lighter weight & more track focused with only 600 examples coming to the US.
  • Forged BBS wheels reducing unsprung rotational mass by 18 lbs.. unfortunately still 20". The wheel's sizing & offset are by design - its specs relating to negative scrub in order to combat torque steer.
  • Another 28 lbs is dropped by removing the sound deadening materials, rear heating ducts, cargo cover, wiper blade, etc.
  • Just like the Sport Line, Europe is special and will receive a version that's even lighter by ditching the infotainment and A/C systems, shedding an additional 24 lbs. Apparently there's not enough demand to offer this in the US (based on the S2000 CR sales).
  • 245 width Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 rubber
  • Retuned, more aggressive dampers - new software now evaluates road conditions 10 times faster resulting in improved damper reactions for better handling response while also improving ride quality.
  • Recalibrated steering for additional precision & driver feedback
Other carry-over upgrades from the the 2020 model:
  • Datalogging and real-time driving analysis via Honda's new LogR Datalogging app
  • Lighter, two-piece front brake rotors and brake pads with a new more fade-resistant pad material - shaving 5 lbs of unsprung rotational mass. Also, 17 percent less play before brake engagement.
  • The rear bushings for the lower B-arm have been stiffened, resulting in better toe-in characteristics when cornering. In front, updated compliance bushings (10 percent stiffer longitudinally) and new lower-friction ball joints add more immediacy to turn-in and provide sharper steering feel for better control.
  • Alcantara steering wheel
  • Shorter throw gear shifter & a restyled, tear drop, weighted shift knob reminiscent of previous Type R models.
  • New grille design with a 13 percent larger opening coupled with an updated radiator core to deliver improved engine cooling for track use.
Will be heading to the Nürburgring "not necessarily to take back the lap record" of 7:40 from the FWD Renault Mégane RS, but rather to compare to the standard CTR. But how will it fare against the S209 in C&D's VIR Lightning Lap?!

I imagine there will be quite a noticeable difference in steering feel with the lighter wheels & brake rotors, revised dampers, recalibrated steering, stiffer bushings, stickier tires & reduced curb weight. Would have been nice to see a CF roof rather than just painted black. And a sportier exhaust.

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Old 02-20-2020, 11:12 AM   #127
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There's also the 2021 Phoenix Yellow Limited Edition CTR as a throwback to the DC2 ITR.
I just want to say that Phoenix Yellow from the DC2 is the same as Sunlight Yellow on the EK9 (code Y56), so it's really a throwback to the original Civic Type R. But for American naming conventions, yes, the revival of "Phoenix Yellow" is from the DC2, but it's not the first Civic Type R to use this color, just this name.

And personally, I'd rather have a clean looking EK9 over this hatchet-job atrocity.



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Old 02-20-2020, 11:12 AM   #128
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Sport line looks so much better. I'm in for a sport line R when or if they ever add SH-AWD. As it stands in the USDM, I think it's a turd, wrong wheel drive and the gauy spoiler. Such a shame. Maybe next go round Honda. Oh and dealers here still treat it like it's a Ferrari.
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Old 02-20-2020, 11:21 AM   #129
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The entire car is contrived ugliness. Even in base Civic form. Such an ugly car. The Accord is so much better looking. But I'm not youthful. Even though I'd GR-4-Days.
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Old 02-20-2020, 11:40 AM   #130
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I just want to say that Phoenix Yellow from the DC2 is the same as Sunlight Yellow on the EK9 (code Y56), so it's really a throwback to the original Civic Type R. But for American naming conventions, yes, the revival of "Phoenix Yellow" is from the DC2, but it's not the first Civic Type R to use this color, just this name.

And personally, I'd rather have a clean looking EK9 over this hatchet-job atrocity.
Great point. I'd much prefer an EK9 or DC2 over this.. part of it is appearance, part of it is the character & audible pleasure of the high revving, naturally aspirated VTEC engine, part of it is the driving experience of the lighter curb weight & mechanical feedback, and part of it is nostalgia for my past Hondas.

And engine-wise (especially if I needed 4 doors), I'd much prefer the FD2's K20A.. well specifically the Mugen RR with 243 hp @ 8,000 rpm and a redline approaching 9k rpm. And its 2,7xx lb curb weight.


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Old 02-20-2020, 11:48 AM   #131
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I gave the Type R a thorough look at a recent auto show, hadn't really seen one up close before. I was really surprised by how roomy the interior is, including the hatch. Very practical. Seems like for what you get, performance, etc, it would be a great value if it weren't for the looks.

From far away it looks relatively OK. But get closer and really look at it and, it's just, whew. What the hell were they thinking with this thing?
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Old 02-20-2020, 11:52 AM   #132
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The Sport Line is much better. Even the 19" wheels would make it worth it. There's a reason why the Golf R and STI Limited (wingless) is available and sell. There's a market for performance and subtleness too.

Of course they are going to bring the Limited edition here instead because they can charge more because it is numbered.
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Old 02-20-2020, 12:05 PM   #133
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The Sport Line is the one to have and I'd buy one if they sold it here.

More normal sized rims? Yep
More normal black interior? Yep
More normal rear end treatment? Yep

I'd deal with FWD and no heated seats in order to get the Sport Line.
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Old 02-20-2020, 02:08 PM   #134
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Track focused. But still come with Honda Sensing.
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Old 02-20-2020, 02:37 PM   #135
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IMHO, all of these colors look better on an S2000
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Old 02-20-2020, 05:02 PM   #136
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Track focused. But still come with Honda Sensing.
Honda sensing doesn't take away from track focus. It's not like the associated hardware adds significant weight. Besides few if any of these will spend time on a track as most will spend their existence under a car cover in a garage. Civic Type R owners rarely drive them.
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Old 02-20-2020, 05:19 PM   #137
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I went and sat in a 2019 Type R yesterday. I was slightly surprised by the interior. I had heard about how spacious it was compared to other cars in it's segment, but it didn't feel any bigger than the Focus RS (except for maybe the hatch area).

The seats, while comfortable, seem like they would wear horribly. With the bolster being completely vertical on the side, it does a nice job of feeling tight, but you have to brush over it every time you get in and out.

It looks cheap up close, and ridiculous, but I don't mind it. Wish I could've driven it but dealers are still treating it like a virgin on prom night. I had to get a manager to let me sit in the damn thing.

I'm hoping all these improvements for the 2020 will kill the value on the old ones, so that they drop at least $5k in the used market. I'd like a fun daily that is better for road tripping than my current car.
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Old 02-20-2020, 07:00 PM   #138
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Especially the yellow. You'll never guess what color mine is.
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Old 03-20-2020, 07:15 AM   #139
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Just 20 examples of the track-focused hot hatch are coming to the UK and all have found homes


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Hardcore Honda Civic Type R Limited Edition sells out in four week

The 20 UK-bound variants of the hardcore new Honda Civic Type R Limited Edition have completely sold out just four weeks after the car was revealed.

Honda says all the orders were placed before any customers had even seen the car or received official pricing information.

Priced from £39,995, the Limited Edition is described as "the purest expression of Type R", featuring a number of weight-saving measures and motorsport-inspired styling tweaks to enhance the hot hatchback’s performance potential.

The special edition is finished in a distinctive Sunlight Yellow paint scheme and sits atop a set of bespoke BBS 20in forged alloy wheels wrapped in Michelin Cup 2 tyres. The interior is set apart from that of the standard car by way of an Alcantara-wrapped steering wheel and counterweighted, teardrop-shaped gear knob.

A significant 47kg has been shaved off the Civic Type R's kerbweight, thanks to the removal of the air conditioning system, touchscreen and sections of sound deadening material. Unlike with its Renault Mégane RS Trophy-R rival, however, the rear seats remain in place.




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I would buy the sport line. My gosh thinking how much fun my mazdaspeed 3 was, this would be even better.
I don't really find the Sport Line spoiler any better than the regular one - less boy racer but it's ugly.

Put the regular hatch spoiler on it, take out the nav and 20" wheels and I'll buy one.

Or discount the current one $7k cause of the virus and I'll buy it.
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Honda's Civic Type R was made for track carving, with 306 hp, Brembo brakes and a limited-slip differential. But it also comes with a smartphone app that analyzes performance and driving data while flying through the corners to help improve lap times.

The LogR application is unique in that it's incorporated directly into Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, it features access to the Type R's onboard computer unlike aftermarket systems and it generates an overall score based on algorithms developed by Honda with professional drivers.

Drivers use Honda LogR with three main functions, Honda says. A performance monitor provides vehicle information; Log Mode records a driver's lap times on the track. And an Auto Score function calculates a score for smoother driving by monitoring how the driver brakes, accelerates and steers the car.

Once unplugged from the vehicle, the app provides in-depth analysis, including previous track sessions and performance traces of the car going around the roadway, as well as replays using GPS mapping.

The app is expected to be available for download sometime in the spring.
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Took them 4 weeks to sell 20 cars? UK car sales must suck.
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Took them 4 weeks to sell 20 cars? UK car sales must suck.
They were reported sold immediately upon announcement.
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Old 04-15-2020, 03:12 PM   #144
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2007 called, they want their wheels back.

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Time attack is still a thing with wheels. At least they forged.
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Seems like a lot of people here don't realize that Honda nailed the CTR to the wall. They completely captured the garish JDM style a generation fawned over while at the same time delivering the performance chops to back it up. All of those people can afford now afford the Honda of their dreams with a factory warranty to boot.
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^^^ All that app is missing is the "danger to manifold" warning display - then it would be perfection.
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Old 04-15-2020, 06:40 PM   #148
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^^^ All that app is missing is the "danger to manifold" warning display - then it would be perfection.
Joking aside, I don't even know if Subaru provides oil temp, oil pressure and water temp in the STI, let alone the "track-ready" S209.
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let alone the "track-ready" S209.
An option to automatically call AAA for a tow would be more helpful.
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Old 04-15-2020, 07:35 PM   #150
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I originally thought the Type R was way too garish for my tastes, but I actually quite like it now. It looks hawt in yellow.

Part of this stems from the fact that where I live, it's literally an ocean of boring black/grey/beige/silver luxury German marques. The highest volume MB dealership in the US is not too far from me and the local BMW dealer is pretty high up there in sales volume as well. Cars like the Type R are a fresh of breath air for me.

What's more egregious than the Type R's styling from the factory is all the wannabes who are now putting Type R wings and red H badges on their automatic garden-variety Civics
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