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Old 06-06-2011, 09:26 AM   #1
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As you may know already, Tesla CEO Elon Musk told the press that the companyís sedan, Model S, is on track for 2012 launch. It appears that the firm also wanted to show us how the car will look like and revealed three new photos with its new Model S. We donít know if this is the final design, but the Model S is looking more production ready than ever. As you can see, the car features a new front end with a new front bumper, showing a sleeker design.

The bad news is that we donít have any technical specs of the car but, looking at the photos, it appears that these will be released sooner than expected. What we do know about the car is that the deliveries for North America are expected to begin in mid-2012. According to Tesla, the first 1000 Model S vehicles off the line will be the North American Model S Signature Series.

These models will be equipped with a 300 mile range battery and will feature unique badging and an extensive complement of options. After the Model S Signature Series, deliveries for North America will continue with the 300 mile batteries, followed by 230 and 160 options later in 2012. Europeans will have to wait some more for the Model S as the deliveries for the old continent will begin in late 2012. In mid-2013 we plan to begin delivering the right-hand drive Model S for Europe and Asia.
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i still dont get how it has seating for 7.
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Old 06-06-2011, 09:45 AM   #3
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Damn that is a nice looking car, just wish I could afford one. Seems to take styling cues from Aston, but for me that is nothing but good.

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Old 06-06-2011, 09:47 AM   #4
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I am going to be stubborn and predict many many delays and people complaining they have not received their order a year after it was due.
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Old 06-06-2011, 09:50 AM   #5
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i still dont get how it has seating for 7.
I'm sorry, where does it say seating for 7??
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Old 06-06-2011, 09:52 AM   #6
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Look how pretty $465 million of our federal taxes can be.

With an optimal 300-mile range, it won't even make it from LA to Vegas. Have fun finding a charging station in Death Valley...
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Old 06-06-2011, 09:59 AM   #7
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I am going to be stubborn and predict many many delays and people complaining they have not received their order a year after it was due.
If its like the roadster then yes, but they have the experience of the roadster behind them and its still on track as of now but we'll see.

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Look how pretty $465 million of our federal taxes can be.

With an optimal 300-mile range, it won't even make it from LA to Vegas. Have fun finding a charging station in Death Valley...
Typical...there are plenty of charging stations around california and plenty of other Tesla owners who will let you cap off at their station if in a pinch. That $465 million is a loan not a hand-out. Look at all of GM's current mostly crap cars...that's even more of your tax dollars at work
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i still dont get how it has seating for 7.
Yeah I'm interested to see how it fits. Supposedly there will be two child seats facing rearward in the back hatch area. Not sure I'd would want to put kids in there though.
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IN all fairness, it was a loan, not a grant. I am not tesla fan, but lets not call a duck a chicken. If Tesla is making payments then I mean them no harm. I may one day want a federal loan to start my own business.
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Old 06-06-2011, 10:04 AM   #10
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I know enough about EVs to know that they are destined to become a dead limb on the tree of automotive evolution.

Point is, the government is interfering with the market by showing favoritism.

Imagine what $465mm could do in furthering cleaner-burning diesel engines. You don't have to make a 911 call to another diesel owner to fill one of those up.
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seating for 7 is from their website.

The Tesla S will be produced at the NUMMI plant. Much different from their previous production facilities.
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I really like the car but until manufacturers can increase mileage on a single charge, these EV's are going to be a slow sell.

EV's should be more "tailored" with long trips in mind, where stations are scarse. Can't sell these cars if you have to look for a station to charge up.
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Fisker seems better all around
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Old 06-06-2011, 11:37 AM   #14
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Aston front end with Jaguar XF body...Beautiful. Bonus, no gas and a price tag less than $100K. I remember seeing a number in the $50K range, but that might have been updated. With Toyota backing, you might actually see a Model S in your neighborhood.
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I will completely agree with you...
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That is b/c they are totally different. Fisker is a serial PHEV not an EV. Once again it is like comparing the leaf and volt and really isn't a good idea since they are not comparable vehicles.

In a way this is good for EVs.

A PHEV is just like a regular car and can do anything a car does. The driver notices nothing really except that fuel is cheaper and capital costs are more expensive. (Since capital costs are higher people might not buy them and might hate them)

An EV is not a direct replacement for a car b/c it cannot do certain things a car can do. It is really a new transportation niche at the moment. Whether people are willing to embrace it remains to be seen. As I said I would not mind an EV if I had 2 cars. Some would probably be happy even as a single car. Some might never be happy with it until fast charging was everywhere and was actually fast like 5 minutes. We just don't know what consumers will do yet.
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That is b/c they are totally different. Fisker is a serial PHEV not an EV. Once again it is like comparing the leaf and volt and really isn't a good idea since they are not comparable vehicles.

In a way this is good for EVs.

A PHEV is just like a regular car and can do anything a car does. The driver notices nothing really except that fuel is cheaper and capital costs are more expensive. (Since capital costs are higher people might not buy them and might hate them)

An EV is not a direct replacement for a car b/c it cannot do certain things a car can do. It is really a new transportation niche at the moment. Whether people are willing to embrace it remains to be seen. As I said I would not mind an EV if I had 2 cars. Some would probably be happy even as a single car. Some might never be happy with it until fast charging was everywhere and was actually fast like 5 minutes. We just don't know what consumers will do yet.
I do understand and appreciate that they are different, but can't see not comparing them if I were to buy a car with more than 1 battery. As you mentioned, that could be a tough hurdle for EV's to overcome, at least in the short-term.
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BTW if the fisker actually is released as it is now it will be the first serial PHEV in existence. That also means that the efficiency will be lower when you drive in gas mode (compared to other types like volt). That is fine though for most people since most people put most of their miles on in short trips.

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I really like the car but until manufacturers can increase mileage on a single charge, these EV's are going to be a slow sell.

EV's should be more "tailored" with long trips in mind, where stations are scarse. Can't sell these cars if you have to look for a station to charge up.
300 miles is MORE than enough for almost every American. How often do you drive more than that in a day? A couple times a year? Most people with luxury car money fly long distances or own two cars anyway. An 80 mile range is tough for a lot of folks but 300 mi shouldn't be an issue.
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Those aren't actually photos, are they? The car looks fake.
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300 miles is MORE than enough for almost every American. How often do you drive more than that in a day? A couple times a year? Most people with luxury car money fly long distances or own two cars anyway. An 80 mile range is tough for a lot of folks but 300 mi shouldn't be an issue.
I only mentioned it relevant to those who drive alot. While for the average driver, it would suffice, the more people rely on ground transportation rather than flying (increase costs), it would become common practice.
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I only mentioned it relevant to those who drive alot. While for the average driver, it would suffice, the more people rely on ground transportation rather than flying (increase costs), it would become common practice.
I just don't think people who buy a $70k luxury sedan drive more than 300 miles a day often nor decide to drive instead of fly to save money. If it was a Camry competitor I'd be inclined to agree with you but it's not.
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I only mentioned it relevant to those who drive alot. While for the average driver, it would suffice, the more people rely on ground transportation rather than flying (increase costs), it would become common practice.
But isn't that common sense that if you are regularly knocking out 300 miles a day that an EV is probably the wrong car for you? I drive 220 miles to my parents once a month. The Tesla Model S could actually make that trip.

I've taken 2 trips the past year that the S wouldn't work for. That is pretty damn impressive, IMO. Just rent a car for those trips. You probably need more space for a week long trip to the beach from WV anyway, so renting something like a Highlander is probably a pretty good idea anyway.
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Old 06-06-2011, 09:29 PM   #25
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...I'm still trying to get my head around any notion that you'll ever reach a "break-even" point on a $70,000 EV.

...unless the point is NOT to break-even with this car. In which case you can plant a BUNCH of trees for $70K.
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