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02-03-2010, 02:58 PM | #26 |
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I disagree.
I was unhappy with my moton's and I got some bc's now my lap times are 14 seconds faster. Plus the girls like me more now.
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02-03-2010, 03:03 PM | #27 |
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ok i'm gonna show my newbness here...
so it's bad for the suspension to not drop when the car is raised up? i thought this was inevitable with a sportier suspension? |
02-03-2010, 03:12 PM | #28 |
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If you guys need pictures, my wagon's completely stock suspension-wise... unless you guys gifted me a new set of coilovers? Just get the rest of the staff to sit in the engine bay and simulate the missing weight.
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02-03-2010, 03:27 PM | #29 |
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02-03-2010, 04:03 PM | #30 | |
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the front is worse.
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Also, without travel the bumpstops are going to be doing most of the work, and that's harder to control. Uncontrolled suspension motion leads to an unpredictable car. If you watch the video posted above, you'll see just how much travel is used just cruising down a regular road. Basically, the suspension is there for a reason. Last edited by sniper1rfa; 02-03-2010 at 04:09 PM. |
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02-03-2010, 04:05 PM | #31 |
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post it! I wanna see it in all it's shade-tree glory
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02-03-2010, 04:23 PM | #32 |
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My car has a goofy smile. |
02-03-2010, 05:16 PM | #33 |
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Oh My God
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02-03-2010, 08:59 PM | #34 |
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02-03-2010, 10:06 PM | #35 |
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no way, your a hater! LOL!
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02-03-2010, 10:53 PM | #36 | ||||
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Look at the Lotus Evora. Every single review has been a cargasm of wonder over how awesome it drives in the real world since it has sooooo much suspension travel. |
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02-04-2010, 09:36 AM | #37 |
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what's an example of coilovers available for the wrx which maintain good travel? there are so many different choices; it's hard to sort through the BS.
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02-04-2010, 10:00 AM | #38 |
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AST, KW. Those are the only two I know of as those are the only two that actually post the specs. Most coilover manfacturers keep all information hidden...wonder why.
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02-04-2010, 10:05 AM | #39 |
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The Ground Control Koni setup has good travel.
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02-04-2010, 10:38 AM | #40 |
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TIC, Is there any chance you could get a video of a car being driven with cheap coilovers on the same road as williaty's car? I think it would be interesting to see.
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02-04-2010, 10:43 AM | #41 |
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The road is up at my house, which is 2 hours from TiC. It's a little hard to get a customer car that far away
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02-04-2010, 11:30 AM | #42 |
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02-04-2010, 11:41 AM | #43 |
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I'm just curious... how much does droop actually matter? Obviously driving on a normal road you're not using the full travel of stock suspension. Yet, those cheap coils clearly don't droop enough.
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02-04-2010, 11:49 AM | #44 |
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Did you look at that video of mine? It's a normal road, it's got as much travel as stock, and it's using all of it. Obviously, all the stock travel is actually needed.
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02-04-2010, 12:14 PM | #45 | |
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I know of one such video where you can see one car bouncing and the other not so much. There are two problems with this though. 1) they are difference chassis, and 2) they have different spring rates and even brands. Therefore it's not an apples to apples comparison. |
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02-04-2010, 02:11 PM | #46 |
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But with stiff spring rates, how would you get that much droop? Wouldn't the car just be raised up high? I can understand to use a soft helper spring, but if the spring rates are stiff, wouldn't the long travel not be used anyways?
The other way is to have a spring that is short and flops around if the suspension is fully extended right? But that doesn't help the situation since there is no spring rate... So how do you get long travel with stiff rates? And how would you make all that travel happen anyways? |
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02-04-2010, 02:38 PM | #48 |
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Even running 10k 9k springs on our race car we still get 2"+ of compression during turns. Don't think that this is bad though.
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02-04-2010, 02:42 PM | #49 |
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I run 245/40R17 or 245/35R17 Toyo R888 or Toyo R1R on my wagon. They are fitted on some 17x9 +45 Rays wheels. I'm currently on 8kg/6kg spring rates and I have a bit more droop than the pictures, but not lots more. I like the way the car turns, feels confident, and easy to control for me. I don't know if the ultimate grip is there, but it feels ok so far.
How stiff do I need? Am I too stiff already? I have a Cusco adjustable rear bar on full stiffness. Long travel plus stiff springs means higher ride height right? I have to admit that appearance is important to me since the car is also a DD. I am on JIC FLT-A2 now and although people always complain about their ride quality, I think they are decent on the track. Yes, they are a bit bumpy just driving around. |
02-04-2010, 02:42 PM | #50 | |
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But speaking generally for a track car, you don't need really super long bump travel with stiff rates anyway. Droop is nice. It's still an issue that must be considered though, and more travel is better than too little travel IMO. - andrew Last edited by AndyRoo; 02-04-2010 at 02:48 PM. |
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