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02-07-2013, 04:16 PM | #26 |
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I'm sorry was anybody suprised by the outcome for the comparos?
FWD+snows > AWD+All Seasons RWD+snows > AWD+All Seasons AWD+snows > FWD+snows or RWD+snows AWD is not safer or better in the winter, winter tires are safer and better in the winter, no matter which wheels drive your car. The three basic driving forces are Acceleration, Deceleration and Handling (lateral) - AWD helps with one of those, correct tires help with all three of them. STOP WASTING MY INTERNET TIME!!! Nah I'm just kidding, its the internet, I'm on it, at least it's not Goatse, *******, 2grls1cup or blue waffles <----do not google search those things, especially not back to back
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02-07-2013, 05:04 PM | #27 | |
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Doesn't AWD help with two of those, acceleration and handling (lateral) as it can transfer power from front to back and side to side depending on which side has traction? Unless I am missing something. |
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02-07-2013, 06:04 PM | #28 |
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Most street cornering isn't done with lots of power being applied, so I'd argue that in real world driving the advantages of AWD for cornering are limited.
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02-07-2013, 06:20 PM | #29 |
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02-07-2013, 06:38 PM | #30 | |
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not trying to pee in anyones cheerios, just stating the fact that tires are more important than where your engine sends power when winter driving is concerned, and since I stepped into it, summer driving as well (assuming same chassis with same power output). |
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02-07-2013, 06:41 PM | #31 |
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Street cornering in very low traction conditions is a different thing. Every winter for about 20 years I've seen lots of folks visiting ski resorts from the bay area in their 4WD SUV's that lift the throttle in the middle of the turn as soon as their back end begins to lose traction instead of gently maintaining throttle. Sometimes these brainiacs even slam the brake mid-turn. Can you guess what happens? I'd say in the real snowy world knowing how to drive > awd.
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02-07-2013, 06:47 PM | #32 | |
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but but but 4wheel drive?!?!? |
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02-07-2013, 06:51 PM | #33 |
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02-07-2013, 10:37 PM | #34 |
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I prefer R-Compound tires with RWD when it's going to snow. This way I know I won't be going anywhere so I stay home.
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02-08-2013, 12:48 AM | #36 |
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Except most AWD cars are understeering pigs that heavily favor the front wheels. With a RWD car the fronts are free to only steer and brake. If any understeer occurs in slippery conditions it can be easily reeled in. With an AWD car you have to point it in the direction you want to go and goose it. This is not a wise thing to do on public streets.
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02-08-2013, 01:19 AM | #37 |
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awd with decent all seasons all day (continental dws)
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02-08-2013, 09:46 AM | #39 |
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02-08-2013, 09:53 AM | #40 |
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02-08-2013, 11:42 AM | #41 | |
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With RWD in the snow, you have the issue of oversteer, to which most drivers don't know how to properly correct. |
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02-08-2013, 11:47 AM | #42 |
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While Conti DWS are an excellent tire and are good for the occasional light snow, there is no substitute for a good snow tire. Snow tires not only offer obviously snow traction, they offer superior cold weather traction.
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02-08-2013, 11:50 AM | #43 |
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My STI is a billion times better with all-seasons than my RX8 was with snows. I had to putter along in the rain at stop lights if it was within 5 degrees of freezing. Wranglers had to wait for me to pick up speed.
I don't' really care that much if it takes me an extra 10 feet to stop, you allow for that in your speed. What I want to make sure is that I can climb the snow covered hill and not get stuck on my way home from work. Would snows be better? Sure but I don't want to budget another $1-2k for extra rims and tires and place to store them. If I was going to auto X or track my car then sure I'd budget appropriately. It depends on where you live, we have hardly gotten any measureable snow in MD this year and none that I can recall last year. How does the winter tire compare to a performance all-season on cold, dry pavement or cold, wet pavement? Are you sacrificing stopping and handling in the wintertime when there is no snow on the road with a winter tire? |
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I've had cars of every flavor, and driven every one of them in the snow, and there's just no contest. I can make any of them work as long as they have decent tires, but AWD makes it nearly effortless. Quote:
I've driven in snow & ice with all-seasons (Pirelli PZero Nero M+S) up hills that were only possible because AWD made up for the deficiencies of the tire. All season tires are okay in mild areas that see very little snow, but the gap between all-seasons and snow tires is about as large as the gap between summer tires and all-seasons. Tangent: I've driven RE070s in 15* weather on bone dry roads and they were actually just fine as long as you drove like an average person . Don't get them anywhere near moisture, though (at any temperature ). |
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02-09-2013, 01:54 PM | #45 |
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SNOW tires are more dangerous in the winter. They break loose all the way thru 2nd gear and into 3rd in the dry.
BAN snow tires. Dont drive like a dick head and all your weather related problems are solved. |
02-09-2013, 01:57 PM | #46 | |
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I have 285 summer tires and 245 winter tires. The winter tires have less grip than summer tires in any temp. The key is that if i encounter snow or any sort of moisture I can get around. |
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02-09-2013, 02:49 PM | #47 |
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02-09-2013, 04:31 PM | #49 |
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In any temperature below ~40°F, snow tires are better because of the compound design they use keeps them pliable, regardless of snow or not. A similar reason why high performance all seasons and summer tires offer better traction in dry warm temperatures. The compound is designed for superior traction and durability at higher temperatures but get rock hard in cold temperatures. True, skinnier tires are better for deep snow traction but that is really not the discussion. This logic is wrong, period. Please see above. Last edited by subyski; 02-10-2013 at 12:08 AM. |
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