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Old 02-17-2019, 08:32 PM   #826
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Awesome little car. Going to be getting one in a month. While I have enjoyed the Golf R, it is an incredibly dull car. The DSG also gets very annoying in its initial lag when going from reverse to drive or 1st. I thought about going back to Subaru but I just don't care for the new STI. That, and the fact that my wife's 2011 Impreza is a steaming pile of poop and made her never want a subaru in the driveway again. 58k miles and everything is failing on it. The original plan was to get an RS3 in a year but the subaru crapping the bed and the new baby made it not practical. We are settling on the Type R and a 2019 RDX A-Spec
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Old 02-17-2019, 08:53 PM   #827
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Really ? I love the Recaros in the 2019 STI and even the base seats seem pretty comfy to me.
Try sitting in a GTI or a BRZ seat, try some Honda seats too. Yell even try an old JDM GC8 seat those are the best Subaru seats by far.

The current STI Recaros are not ACTUAL Recaros, just the same base seat with slightly more side bolstering. The bottom is too flat and lacks any thigh support. There isnt enough rake to the seat either its not ergonomic at all.
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Old 02-17-2019, 08:58 PM   #828
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Try sitting in a GTI or a BRZ seat, try some Honda seats too. Yell even try an old JDM GC8 seat those are the best Subaru seats by far.

The current STI Recaros are not ACTUAL Recaros, just the same base seat with slightly more side bolstering. The bottom is too flat and lacks any thigh support. There isnt enough rake to the seat either its not ergonomic at all.
Agreed. Not a fan of my 15 stiseats. I slide all over the place on the track.
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Old 02-17-2019, 09:59 PM   #829
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I think I test drove a GTI three times and couldn’t get myself to pull the trigger, it just didn’t excite. I was driving a 330i ZHP at the time, which is also a little tame but at least you can fool around with rear drive.

Is the Type R exciting? I drove an old Type R once, what a blast that was.
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Old 02-18-2019, 10:56 AM   #830
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Well i've been a lifelong Subaru guy (2002 WRX, 2005 OBXT, and 2005 STI pushing 450+ whp) in addition to a 2000 Civic Si i owned back in the day), but i picked up my Type R last month after choosing between that, STI, and Golf R. The Honda is just so much more fun to drive than the others. It feels like a lighter, more nimble STI. The handling and the gearbox are top shelf. I do miss the instant traction though. The STI i had was too fast for the street, the CTR is just right... you have to push it a bit, but you aren't going to get arrested or kill someone when you start to get in the fun zone. I'm sure one day i will own a Subaru again, but for now the CTR is my new toy.

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Old 02-18-2019, 11:20 AM   #831
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It really depends on your weight and build. I mean, maybe that's obvious with any seat, but if you're thinner/smaller you tend to fly around the STI seats at an forceful turn. That's why the BRZ seats were universally praised, if one could fit in them.
Yep BRZ seats are probably my favorite of any car I've owned. I like the Recaros in my Focus RS too, except the height and angle. But the seats themselves are very comfortable and you don't slide around at all like the STI and Fold R seats.
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Old 02-19-2019, 07:03 AM   #832
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Honda has confirmed the expected closure of its Swindon plant in 2021, due to “unpredecented changes in the global automotive industry”.

Following widespread reports yesterday of the plant’s closure, the Japanese manufacturer today announced “the proposal” to close its British manufacturing plant at the end of the current Civic’s lifecycle.

The closure would result in 3500 job losses. The Wiltshire factory, which builds only the Civic, currently produces 150,000 cars annually – far from its capacity of 250,000 units.

The proposal is a huge blow for the Government’s hopes of the UK remaining an established car manufacturing hub post-Brexit. While Brexit hasn't been cited as a reason for Honda’s plans, it is the latest factor in a perfect storm for the industry.

Analysis: Brexit and the UK car industry

Already this year, Jaguar Land Rover has announced 4500 job losses, Nissan has confirmed it will no longer build the X-Trail in Sunderland and Ford has said there will be job losses.

Honda said the move comes as it “accelerates its commitment to electrified cars”.

It said: “The significant challenges of electrification will see Honda revise its global manufacturing operations and focus activity in regions where it expects to have high production volumes.

“Under this proposed restructure, HUM's [Honda UK Manufacturing] current role as a global manufacturing hub may no longer be viable.”

Honda has been slow to react to electrification compared to its rivals. It launched its CR-V Hybrid last year but doesn't offer any electric models, although its Urban EV, a retro-styled electric city car, is due to go on sale late this year.

The firm’s intention is to consolidate much of its manufacturing back to its home country of Japan. This will allow it to ship to China – one of the markets where “high production volumes” are expected – fairly easily.

The deal that the Japanese government has recently struck with the European Union (EU) is likely to be another motivating factor. It means tariffs on Japanese-made cars coming into the bloc's 27 member states will be removed this year, reducing the financial benefit of Honda having a UK hub.

The threat of import tariffs for European-made cars from Donald Trump’s administration will also be a factor, because the US is one of the Civic's main markets.

Honda's statement made no mention of Brexit or falling demand for diesel cars – two things that have been recurring in other car makers’ reasoning for problems.

Honda confirmed that the consultation over the plant’s future will begin today and that it will be “working closely with its workforce, including the recognised trade union, Unite the Union, over the months ahead”.

Honda Europe boss Katsushi Inoue said: “In light of the unprecedented changes that are affecting our industry, it's vital that we accelerate our electrification strategy and restructure our global operations accordingly. As a result, we have had to take this difficult decision to consult our workforce on how we might prepare our manufacturing network for the future. This has not been taken lightly and we deeply regret how unsettling today’s announcement will be for our people.”

Honda UK Manufacturing, which was established in Swindon in 1985, has received a total investment of £1.5 billion across its numerous buildings. It mothballed half of its plant after sales failed to recover following the 2008 financial crisis and then decided to produce just the Civic, with the Jazz and CR-V moving elsewhere in the world.

Back in 2008, Swindon produced more than 230,000 cars annually, but that number has now nearly halved.
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Old 02-19-2019, 10:09 AM   #833
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There you have it, EV killed one of the most exciting fun soulful cars on the road today. More blender powered cars are coming.
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Old 02-19-2019, 10:11 AM   #834
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Swindon has produced type R's (Starting with the CTR EP3 chassis) since 2000/2001. Good ole politics. Brexit is silly. Idjuts.
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Old 02-19-2019, 10:18 AM   #835
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Brexit was not listed as the reason.. was waiting on somebody to jump on this. Brexit was smart. A country should be able to make decisions for itself without asking permission from unelected people 1000 miles away who do not live there. I salute them for wanting to control their own destiny. All countries should be that brave. I think it will be tough for them for a while, but europe needs them more than they need europe.
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Old 02-19-2019, 02:52 PM   #836
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wonder if the adm prices are going to skyrocket
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Old 02-19-2019, 02:59 PM   #837
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Brexit was not listed as the reason.. was waiting on somebody to jump on this. Brexit was smart. A country should be able to make decisions for itself without asking permission from unelected people 1000 miles away who do not live there. I salute them for wanting to control their own destiny. All countries should be that brave. I think it will be tough for them for a while, but europe needs them more than they need europe.
Do you really think they would cite Brexit as a reason anyway?
I agree with your sentiment (about taking control of one's own destiny and so forth and so on).
But, remember that the U.K. had the best deal out of all the other European members:
1) Unrestricted exports into the Schengen Area while NOT being a member of that area. They basically retained control of their own borders.
2) And, they retain usage of their own currency !
They always had one foot in and one foot out...
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Old 02-19-2019, 11:00 PM   #838
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wonder if the adm prices are going to skyrocket
I'm sure some will fearmonger but the fact is that the Swindon facility is going to continue through the life cycle of the current Civic hatchback including the Type R. Rumours already that the next hatch will be built in the USA which makes sense. If anyone goes to a Honda dealership take a good look at the body panels of a Civic hatch or Type R. The panel gaps and fitment are horrible, maybe the worst on any car for sale today. The Swindon facility does a really bad job assembling cars and that probably played a role in its demise as it's definitely below par for Honda.
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I'm sure some will fearmonger but the fact is that the Swindon facility is going to continue through the life cycle of the current Civic hatchback including the Type R. Rumours already that the next hatch will be built in the USA which makes sense. If anyone goes to a Honda dealership take a good look at the body panels of a Civic hatch or Type R. The panel gaps and fitment are horrible, maybe the worst on any car for sale today. The Swindon facility does a really bad job assembling cars and that probably played a role in its demise as it's definitely below par for Honda.
When my Civic hatch’s dashboard shut off while driving I told myself I was driving a Jaguar. I hope the hatchback style continues in US or Japan, and if not I’m gonna grab a Type R before end of life.
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I'm sure some will fearmonger but the fact is that the Swindon facility is going to continue through the life cycle of the current Civic hatchback including the Type R. Rumours already that the next hatch will be built in the USA which makes sense. If anyone goes to a Honda dealership take a good look at the body panels of a Civic hatch or Type R. The panel gaps and fitment are horrible, maybe the worst on any car for sale today. The Swindon facility does a really bad job assembling cars and that probably played a role in its demise as it's definitely below par for Honda.
No Honda product made anywhere besides Japan has good panel fitment. The “shareholders ROI” takes presedence over quality. Honda’s obsession used to be like Lexus where fitment and gaps were considered a thing to be proud of, that pride is no longer there.
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No Honda product made anywhere besides Japan has good panel fitment. The “shareholders ROI” takes presedence over quality. Honda’s obsession used to be like Lexus where fitment and gaps were considered a thing to be proud of, that pride is no longer there.
every time im behind a crv, mdx, or other honda with a hatch at a red light its painfully obvious.
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Love the color. I'm hoping the next one is SH-AWD.

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No Honda product made anywhere besides Japan has good panel fitment. The “shareholders ROI” takes presedence over quality. Honda’s obsession used to be like Lexus where fitment and gaps were considered a thing to be proud of, that pride is no longer there.
Could be just cause the sheet metal is paper thin. When it rains, my Civic sounds like "ping! ping!" from rain hitting the roof.
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Could be just cause the sheet metal is paper thin. When it rains, my Civic sounds like "ping! ping!" from rain hitting the roof.
Anecdotal, but my Ridgeline (admittedly, not an economy car) and Crosstrek (jacked up economy car) were parked side by side during a hail storm a few years ago. $1500 damage to the Ridgeline. $7,000 damage to the Crossstrek.
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Love the color. I'm hoping the next one is SH-AWD.

Congrats on the car!
If SH-AWD were to be offered you will see a lot of defectors from the Subaru and Mitsubishi crowd. The Type R chassis, suspension and overall package in its current trim is no joke. AWD trim would be pure bonkers! I would certainly entertain such an option.
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Old 02-23-2019, 10:44 AM   #846
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Agreed. SH-AWD would get my attention too. I wouldn't completely abandon Subaru however.

BTW, my local dealer posts $42K before tax, etc on 2019 CTR's. LOL Absolutely no thanks.
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Agreed. SH-AWD would get my attention too. I wouldn't completely abandon Subaru however.

BTW, my local dealer posts $42K before tax, etc on 2019 CTR's. LOL Absolutely no thanks.
Are they actually moving those units or are they just sitting their not being bought? It’s going to be funny when they are up ****s creek with year old Honda’s and can’t move them.
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Agreed. SH-AWD would get my attention too. I wouldn't completely abandon Subaru however.

BTW, my local dealer posts $42K before tax, etc on 2019 CTR's. LOL Absolutely no thanks.
Yes, but only fools and desperate buyers pay mark up. Fact is the newer generation and dare I say my generation are a lot more aware (Thanks Best Motoring and Gran Turismo) of the Japanese marques and Halo cars that the USDM market was deprived of for years. So people have the attitude of “buy one before they are gone.”

Remember when the WRX came out. Followed by the WRX STi? Followed by the Evo VIII? People went nutz. I drooled at the WRX STi at the NY autoshow. 12 months later I bought the monster, diff noise, whining transmission, flapping hood scoop and all. Having owned my fair share of USDM, EDM AND JDM cars, nothing as yet has compared to the visceral feeling of that car.

That is until 13 years later, having taken a drive in the Type R. The initial turn in and handling is ridiculous, the diff works wonders, the seats glorious, the brakes even better than the STi. The interior is nice, minus the silly red accents. The stock wheels are excessive and more for show, most replace them with 18’s because that size tire is much more affordable.

I have heard Honda has given the green light to the next gen Type R. My current car will easily hold me down to see what the next gen brings. If that doesn’t work out I can always pick up an FK Type R or dare I say even a used S209.

Like the majority of veterans on here preach “enthusiasts are the minority.” Really? I guess SOA has forgotten that the WRX is the car that brought them into the real mainstream. Because before that car I sure didn’t see a lot of SVX’s or Baha’s or Justy’s or Imprezas or Outbacks. Let’s not even discuss the years back dialogue put out by Subaru to differentiate the WRX and STi entirely from the Impreza and the talk of moving the interior more upscale to BMW 3 series and M3 like.

I love Subaru but lack of any major progress has left a bad taste in my mouth. Special edition STi take 5 anyone? I am not holding my breath on Subaru. Only some shock and awe event would capture my attention, but then again I probably fall under the “sell this guy an Ascent” demographic. <end rant>
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Are they actually moving those units or are they just sitting their not being bought? It’s going to be funny when they are up ****s creek with year old Honda’s and can’t move them.
I believe they are moving them as they can't seem to keep them in stock for too long. I watch Autotrader quite often and the VIN frequently changes. I'm sure they will work out a price with the buyer but it's most-likely not sold at the $34-35K price and closer to the mark up price.
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Are they actually moving those units or are they just sitting their not being bought? It’s going to be funny when they are up ****s creek with year old Honda’s and can’t move them.
There is about 50 of them within 100 miles of me. Bunch of CPO's listed in low 30's too. The hype is slowly dying down.
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