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Old 02-19-2019, 09:59 AM   #226
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Think it's going to be nicknamed the battery pack heartbreak model.
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Old 02-19-2019, 10:08 AM   #227
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Think it's going to be nicknamed the battery pack heartbreak model.
There's a joke in their about a defibrillator somewhere
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Old 02-19-2019, 04:49 PM   #228
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Probably a BRZ sprinkled in.
Wish Subaru has enough money to develop own BRZ with more power with AWD or full electric version but thatís just wishful thinking.
Probably Toyota might kill BRZ within two years.....
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Old 02-20-2019, 05:09 PM   #229
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Our rep told us today that the next WRX/STI will be a 2022 MY with a mid 2021 production date. I couldn't get clarification about the hatch back but he said there will only be one body design.
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Old 02-21-2019, 09:14 AM   #230
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Our rep told us today that the next WRX/STI will be a 2022 MY with a mid 2021 production date. I couldn't get clarification about the hatch back but he said there will only be one body design.
That would make sense 7 years of the current model production run, just as the previous model
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Old 02-21-2019, 11:27 AM   #231
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Wish Subaru has enough money to develop own BRZ with more power with AWD or full electric version but thatís just wishful thinking.
Probably Toyota might kill BRZ within two years.....
BRZ and AWD dont mix, you would have to almost un-BRZ the BRZ to have AWD. Unless they elctric the front wheels, the packaging wont allow for it.
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Old 02-21-2019, 11:38 AM   #232
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Our rep told us today that the next WRX/STI will be a 2022 MY with a mid 2021 production date. I couldn't get clarification about the hatch back but he said there will only be one body design.
2021 on sale date probably makes sense, but it feels late. The STI felt outdated out of the gate and the refresh(es?) were so minor it probably hardly registered outside of the inner enthusiast circle. I suppose when you have such scant competition in your biggest market, why hurry?

The GV/GR generation was so tumultuous, it felt more like two or three generations squeezed into that 6-7 years The VA has been comparatively very smooth sailing.
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Old 02-21-2019, 12:24 PM   #233
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I wonder if the timeframe, considering Subaruís current trend of vehicle updates, concepts, and releases, is going to stay pretty standard.

With many (most?) in the lineup having the standard 5 MY cycle with a refresh for the 4th and 5th year, does the same apply to the WRX/STi being on a extended 7 year cycle?

Iím also going off the timeframe we saw the first Ascent concept to production. Wasnít the like 3 years? If thatís true, then a MY2022 with production 2021 would be about 3 years from when we saw the first WRX/STi concept, correct?

I may be way off on this and talking out of my @$$, but just a thought.
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If it comes out in 2021/22, will it be based on the current impreza? Because the next gen impreza will be out by then, and it would make more sense to have it based on it
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Old 02-21-2019, 08:58 PM   #236
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Our rep told us today that the next WRX/STI will be a 2022 MY with a mid 2021 production date. I couldn't get clarification about the hatch back but he said there will only be one body design.


I really hope this is a year late, and they actually hit a 2021 MY / mid 2020 prod date. Im already itching to upgrade my 2013, I donít know if I can convince myself to wait that long...
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Old 02-21-2019, 10:31 PM   #237
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Even at a 2021 model year, it'll come out with an interior that has been available since the 2017 Impreza?

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Old 02-22-2019, 04:02 AM   #238
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That's how I felt about the 2015 WRX upon debut. It's even worse now. My 14 Crosstrek drives me nuts with its dated interior. My 17 Impreza is a safe haven. I think a WRX based on current Impreza interior would be okay.

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Old 02-22-2019, 08:42 AM   #239
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I really hope this is a year late, and they actually hit a 2021 MY / mid 2020 prod date. Im already itching to upgrade my 2013, I donít know if I can convince myself to wait that long...
This is why I traded my 12 WRX for a 19 WRX.. carry me over until the new ones are out but the 2019 will be at that break even point for resale by 3 years for a 22MY.
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Old 02-22-2019, 11:30 PM   #240
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That's how I felt about the 2015 WRX upon debut. It's even worse now. My 14 Crosstrek drives me nuts with its dated interior. My 17 Impreza is a safe haven. I think a WRX based on current Impreza interior would be okay.
This has always been the deal with the Subaru crowd, they are always ďjust okay with the lack of refinement and progress on interiors and exteriors.Ē Package it a little differently and quarter after quarter, year after year Subaru tops their sales numbers. They clearly, and fully understand their buyer(s) and demographic(s).
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This has always been the deal with the Subaru crowd, they are always ďjust okay with the lack of refinement and progress on interiors and exteriors.Ē Package it a little differently and quarter after quarter, year after year Subaru tops their sales numbers. They clearly, and fully understand their buyer(s) and demographic(s).
I mean, this is assuming one likes the current SGP Impreza interior. I do, but I know some don't. I think it'll age much better than the previous gen.

I've already postulated that the next WRX/STI should at least have an interior that's two model years ahead. Let them work out whatever kinks there are as low-volume vehicles, and then trickle that down to Impreza. Then Impreza owners will truly feel as though they're getting the sporty interior.

That's also assuming that Subaru what's their WRX/STI to innovate and be even more separate from the Impreza. I assumed the SGP is supposed to to allow for more design flexibility.

Remember when the front and rear designs only lasted two years? Those were the funnerest times, weren't they? Swaps galore!
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If it's due for next year we should see one testing soon
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It's not
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We will see the new Outback testing first
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BRZ and AWD dont mix, you would have to almost un-BRZ the BRZ to have AWD. Unless they elctric the front wheels, the packaging wont allow for it.
They're not going to do that to the BRZ, which is only a niche market item anyway. It's used to draw customers into the brand. It's going to retain its traditional sports car roots, not be a platform for eBoxer and other technology demonstration items.

I expect eBoxer to be made available on the XV and Impreza, as those are two slugboxes and will benefit the most from getting a torque boost from a hybrid drivetrain.
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They're not going to do that to the BRZ, which is only a niche market item anyway. It's used to draw customers into the brand. It's going to retain its traditional sports car roots, not be a platform for eBoxer and other technology demonstration items.

I expect eBoxer to be made available on the XV and Impreza, as those are two slugboxes and will benefit the most from getting a torque boost from a hybrid drivetrain.

The BRZ IS a technology demonstration. They learned a good bit from that car. Why can't the next one be as well?

They've already tried the "eBoxer" here. The two eBoxer cars now run pretty much the same system our Crosstrek Hybrid had. Maybe the newer version is better; but, I haven't seen any numbers saying such. And if it is on the XV and Forester now, then if we do end up getting them, I'd suspect what we get is a Crosstrek and Forester as well.
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Justy, the concept Cars are more than a year ago. I schould expect it by end of the year and launch next year... When do you think it is due?
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Old 02-28-2019, 12:18 PM   #248
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The BRZ IS a technology demonstration. They learned a good bit from that car. Why can't the next one be as well?

They've already tried the "eBoxer" here. The two eBoxer cars now run pretty much the same system our Crosstrek Hybrid had. Maybe the newer version is better; but, I haven't seen any numbers saying such. And if it is on the XV and Forester now, then if we do end up getting them, I'd suspect what we get is a Crosstrek and Forester as well.
What technology? The BRZ was a deliberate throwback to a "back to basics" sports car. What they learned from it was improved suspension, but it's not like they used anything new, just learned how to do suspension better.

The only really new tech was the hybrid port/direct injection in the engine to get 200bhp out of a NA 2.0L high compression gasoline engine.
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What technology? The BRZ was a deliberate throwback to a "back to basics" sports car. What they learned from it was improved suspension, but it's not like they used anything new, just learned how to do suspension better.

The only really new tech was the hybrid port/direct injection in the engine to get 200bhp out of a NA 2.0L high compression gasoline engine.
I think they also learned how to do steering better.
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I think they also learned how to do steering better.
Not like it was that hard. They just learned that people liked a 13:1 ratio.
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