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![]() As in the Yaris post, can't wait to see what they do with this!
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![]() Incoming Lexus IS Powerplant Replacement. Celica is going to be a nice car. At least it won't have "Cladding."
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So there's a chance you could see a rear-drive IS w/ the new 2.0L. Just go mild hybrid for marketing purposes. Mercedes is going mild hybrid with the 2.0L turbo in a lot of their vehicles. |
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![]() I really hope the Celica cost isn't nuts. Vehicles have gotten too damn expensive.
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EV sales growth has slowed, but is still outpacing ICE. Toyota has always lagged on the BEV front, but is a leader in hybrids. Personally I think that is a smart strategy for them to continue pursuing. They have brand recognition and well earned reputation for reliability. Part of the issue with BEV's is that a lot of legacy automakers are doing what they do best: building vehicles that the market doesn't want. Having said that, with their price cuts people do seem to be buying some of these vehicles. GM, Ford, and Hyundai are closing the gap on Tesla in the US. Hyundai is particularly interesting to me as they have adopted 800V architecture in the Ioniq 5. Here's some US data: https://caredge.com/guides/electric-...hare-and-sales Here's some global data: https://www.reuters.com/business/aut...24-2025-01-14/ I'm betting the bean counters who make decisions in board rooms are more concerned with data than talking points, but that's just because I'm one of those bean counters who sits in board rooms making decisions based on data. Having said all that, I think nearly everyone can agree that ICE isn't dead for the foreseeable future. It will be interesting to see how these high specific output engines running a lot of boost hold up over time. |
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Lies Damn Lies and Statistics --Mark Twain (Not full quote, but you get the gist) |
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Did you notice Mr. Clemens didn't say anything about CAGR? ![]() |
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but when you look at where brands were planning based on the growth models they were promised, everyone has dialed back big time. every brand that had promised big EV shifts in the next few years have all tempered expectations. some in disastrous ways, look at VW and Stellantis for examples of sticking it in their own poop holes. I mean, 2 1/2 years ago, all you could read were articles about how beyond what combustion engine development was done up to then, it's all done, no more development. Last edited by samagon; 01-16-2025 at 04:05 PM. |
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1) Growth models are always assumptions, and nothing is ever promised. 2) Building the wrong product then charging too much for it is never going to work. At this point in tech evolution electric Jeeps, pick up trucks, and Hummers are just plain stupid, and their current market pricing represents that: the OEM's are losing money on each sale. 3) Several someones will make money off EV's; there's likely to be few of the legacy automakers in that club. The only reason GM and Ford are still around is because of government bail outs and the chicken tax, not because they are competitive. As I alluded to earlier, Toyota has a huge advantage in the hybrid market and they should (and are) rocking that. |
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You're seeing the Camry XSE's for around 36-42k currently. So I imagine.. the Celica might follow suit around there (Starting) - Possibly a 44-46K vehicle. I wouldn't want to buy it if ends up costing more than 48k. |
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![]() Although decades ago Toyota had several performance cars in rotation at the same time. I am not sure how this is going to be maintained in today's market. GR86, GR Corolla, Celica, Supra and the rumor of an MR2 all existing at the same time? Not sure how long they could keep that going.
I see the Corolla GR going away at some point. And even then it's a difficult thing to imagine all these vehicles being sold simultaneously. If the MR2 is an EV and the Supra is a hybrid as has been speculated in the past. I guess a mixture of ICE only, hybridized vehicles and EVs could possibly help to created separate audiences. |
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The GR86 is a reskinned Subaru, it's continued existence hinges more on the agreement with Subaru, rumor is that the next gen is a Toyota based vehicle if it continues. Similarly, the Supra is a reskinned BMW, the agreement ends in 2026, so it will also become a Toyota based vehicle if it continues. There was a rumor a while back that Toyota was going to use a shortened IS platform for the GR86 replacement; if they do, that would significantly reduce the R&D costs for it; similarly it could be the basis for the new Supra as well. As long as they can share parts & platforms across different vehicles, they should be fine; most of their money is made on the CUVs anyways. MR2 - 2-seat coupe/targa/convertible with a transverse I3T at the rear axle, RWD - least likely to me honestly, unless it's an EV, or significantly different from the other models. Supra - 2-seat Coupe/targa with a longitudinal front-mid mounted I4T, RWD GR86 - 2+2 coupe with longitudinal I3T up front, RWD. GR Celica - 2+2 coupe with transverse I3T up front, AWD based on the GRC with a coupe body (possibly I4T in lower state of tune that the Supra). GR Corolla - 4 seat hatchback with transverse I3T up front, AWD. Admittedly, I do not see all five of those existing in the same model year. I think it's more likely that Lexus versions co-exist, like a revived first gen Lexus SC as the RC replacement - essentially, the Lexus 2+2 GT version of the Supra. Lexus has that CUV version of the GRC, I wonder how that sold. |
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![]() I hope this motor makes its way into the Lexus IS.
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I’ve seen LBXs in Taiwan, they look sharp, but smaller than a Corolla. |
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![]() Camry GR Wagon with 6sp.
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Vehicle:2016 Step 2 Push Buggy GT |
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![]() I thought I saw somewhere that the new Corolla was to be more "Wagon-like."
All info comes from that Japanese magazine that has been pretty correct on the "look" of newer models coming out of Japan. |
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