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Old 03-11-2018, 08:56 PM   #326
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Would wagoning it and giving it the WRX name plate exclude it from getting the STI treatment I wonder? It would be rough to have to pick between a WRX wagon and the full kit STI in sedan form.
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Old 03-11-2018, 09:02 PM   #327
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I remember posting in the original levorg thread that the levorg wasn't doing all that hot. I was laughed out of the thread. When I came back with proof, the thread erupted. Maybe Subaru Corp will engineer the next gen Levorg for WRX duty in the US.
You missed the point of what people were saying and behaved like a jerk. Even the moderator had to call you out and eventually closed the thread.

The more the Levorg underperformed in other markets due to price and competition, we were saying bring it here so Subaru could sell more of them. It has no competition at a WRX Premium/Limited price point. It's not a bad product, a thing you were implying with every single post. People on here saying they'd buy one didn't care much for your condescending attitude and analysis. How many times do you need to tell people Americans don't buy wagons while offering up sales figures from overseas telling us THEY don't buy wagons. Subaru made the Levorg and still sold it to them. Why not us?

I do find it odd you now feel you were some innocent messenger being mistreated. But if that's the case, my sincerest apologies for my part in it.


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Old 03-11-2018, 09:26 PM   #328
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You missed the point of what people were saying and behaved like a jerk. Even the moderator had to call you out and eventually closed the thread.

The more the Levorg underperformed in other markets due to price and competition, we were saying bring it here so Subaru could sell more of them. It has no competition at a WRX Premium/Limited price point. It's not a bad product, a thing you were implying with every single post. People on here saying they'd buy one didn't care much for your condescending attitude and analysis. How many times do you need to tell people Americans don't buy wagons while offering up sales figures from overseas telling us THEY don't buy wagons. Subaru made the Levorg and still sold it to them. Why not us?

I do find it odd you now feel you were some innocent messenger being mistreated. But if that's the case, my sincerest apologies for my part in it.


That's why he's on my ignore list. Not that he may or may not know what he's talking about, but his smug, know it all, condescending attitude towards those that wanted the option and that would buy it in a heartbeat.

And the fact that people are buying Crosstreks instead, and "but other markets" *still plays no part* in this. Why? Those other markets aren't in the US, and the US doesn't have the same competition as those other markets. What are they buying in those other markets instead?

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Old 03-11-2018, 09:42 PM   #329
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That's why he's on my ignore list. Not that he may or may not know what he's talking about, but his smug, know it all, condescending attitude towards those that wanted the option and that would buy it in a heartbeat.

And the fact that people are buying Crosstreks instead, and "but other markets" *still plays no part* in this. Why? Those other markets aren't in the US, and the US doesn't have the same competition as those other markets. What are they buying in those other markets instead?

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Old 03-12-2018, 12:07 AM   #330
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The levorg they kept from us does not seem to be doing so well overseas. They want the levorg to survive, bring it to the US as a wrx wagon with a manual transmission. They can do that or leave it to die.
wrx the crosstrek and most of the levorg enthusiasts will disappear. It'll be good enough.
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Old 03-12-2018, 08:47 AM   #331
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wrx the crosstrek and most of the levorg enthusiasts will disappear. It'll be good enough.
that could work too. I wouldnt mind seeing an crosstrek sport or XTI.
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Old 03-12-2018, 10:45 AM   #332
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that could work too. I wouldnt mind seeing an crosstrek sport or XTI.
They would just need to ensure it get gets turbo'd properly.. I don't want forester XT 250hp no hood scoop kind of turbo.. give us the full WRX or STI experience of a car that looks and feels sporty. Otherwise, we could assume the Forester XT is meeting the needs of WRX fans.. which it isnt. Id love the extra ground clearance.
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Old 03-12-2018, 10:52 AM   #333
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Would wagoning it and giving it the WRX name plate exclude it from getting the STI treatment I wonder? It would be rough to have to pick between a WRX wagon and the full kit STI in sedan form.
I see no chance of an actual STI wagon. I hate to think what a legitimate Levorg STI would have cost. The Australian STI Sport Levorg - not an actual "STI" if you will - is priced same as WRX STI. A fully loaded Levorg STI could have been up there with the most expensive Subarus ever.

And that would not have sold well anywhere, especially the US. The Levorg as it were would have done very badly here. What would you pick, a $35k WRX wagon or $35k WRX STI sedan? That would be an easy choice for most enthusiasts. What would a more average consumer decide to do with $35k? Get a very well equipped Forester or Outback, if not one of the many other small or mid-sized SUVs out there in that price range.

Any wagon that comes here needs to be priced reasonably. If we get round 2 of the Levorg just like it were: premium and priced like an STI with a CVT - I wouldn't consider it personally. I just want a WRX wagon. No more, no less.
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Old 03-12-2018, 06:43 PM   #335
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You missed the point of what people were saying and behaved like a jerk. Even the moderator had to call you out and eventually closed the thread.

The more the Levorg underperformed in other markets due to price and competition, we were saying bring it here so Subaru could sell more of them. It has no competition at a WRX Premium/Limited price point. It's not a bad product, a thing you were implying with every single post. People on here saying they'd buy one didn't care much for your condescending attitude and analysis. How many times do you need to tell people Americans don't buy wagons while offering up sales figures from overseas telling us THEY don't buy wagons. Subaru made the Levorg and still sold it to them. Why not us?

I do find it odd you now feel you were some innocent messenger being mistreated. But if that's the case, my sincerest apologies for my part in it.


Not how I perceived that at all. I said something unpopular and defended it.
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Old 03-12-2018, 11:02 PM   #336
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in essence, yes. Here's a Jalopnik article covering the same topic...

https://jalopnik.com/a-subaru-crosst...-pr-1796995047

While the extra ground clearance would hinder handling a bit, I think the overall package would be excellent. I also think the hatchback styling lends itself to people who are more likely to enjoy the extra ride height. Leave the sedans at "performance car" height, but make the hatchback into a fast CUV that can bomb down mountain roads with the greatest of ease to get me to the trail head, or have better ground clearance for snow storms.

A Crosstrek WRX would be a compelling car for me, and many of the other wrx hatchback enthusiasts I know. As I sit around and wait for the Golf R to be released from port, I am also shopping around for a crosstrek shell, wrx motor, and sti transmission, because if the right package aligns itself... well who knows.
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Old 03-13-2018, 03:26 AM   #337
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Not how I perceived that at all. I said something unpopular and defended it.
That's how I read it. *shrug*
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Old 03-13-2018, 01:16 PM   #338
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WRX crosstrek.. would buy sight unseen
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Old 03-13-2018, 05:08 PM   #339
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wrx the crosstrek and most of the levorg enthusiasts will disappear. It'll be good enough.
I don't want a wobbly jacked up faux truck wannabe!
The FXT is disappointing.
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Old 03-14-2018, 08:18 AM   #340
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in essence, yes. Here's a Jalopnik article covering the same topic...

https://jalopnik.com/a-subaru-crosst...-pr-1796995047

While the extra ground clearance would hinder handling a bit, I think the overall package would be excellent. I also think the hatchback styling lends itself to people who are more likely to enjoy the extra ride height. Leave the sedans at "performance car" height, but make the hatchback into a fast CUV that can bomb down mountain roads with the greatest of ease to get me to the trail head, or have better ground clearance for snow storms.

A Crosstrek WRX would be a compelling car for me, and many of the other wrx hatchback enthusiasts I know. As I sit around and wait for the Golf R to be released from port, I am also shopping around for a crosstrek shell, wrx motor, and sti transmission, because if the right package aligns itself... well who knows.
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I don't want a wobbly jacked up faux truck wannabe!
The FXT is disappointing.
Agreed - one of the reasons I bought my 06 wrx wagon was that the FXT needed a drop, quicker rack, better seats, and a steering wheel right after purchase for it to work for me.

A crosstrek wrx hatch isn't going to fill the wagon void, especially with open diff's front and rear. Maybe if they gave it the wrx engine and the STi drivetrain, & kept the tow rating; then I'd only have to lower it and install a roof cargo box to make up for the missing cargo space.

But if we are talking about reality and what SOA will likely do, none of what I typed there is going to happen, I'll end up buying an R/A longblock for my wrx wagon in the near future and just keep throwing parts at it until the body rots away to nothing.
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Old 03-14-2018, 10:15 AM   #341
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I don't get it.
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Old 03-14-2018, 10:31 AM   #342
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just keep throwing parts at it until the body rots away to nothing.
This is my future. Whether it be due to apocalyptic, regulatory or market factors remains to be seen. (Me being broke falls into the "market factors" bucket.)

If we do get a WRX wagon with a stick, I'll buy 5 of them (market permitting) and mothball the other 4 so I'll have a lifetimes' worth to burn.

If your ideal car is a WRX wagon/Levorg/production version of this concept, and you're on here saying "Ah, WRX Crosstrek is good enough!" then you have been defeated!
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Old 03-15-2018, 01:28 PM   #343
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I don't get it.
Not that one.

LEVORG | GROVEL
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Old 03-15-2018, 01:52 PM   #344
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Totally off topic here and pointless because who cares, but I just realized I currently own two JCOTY winners. Levorg didn't win that award. The current Impreza did tho. The previous Subaru to win the JCOTY was the BL/BP Legacy, which I think was Subaru's worst selling Legacy generation ever. Current winner of the JCOTY is the Volvo XC60. Not the Crosstrek (XV), interestingly...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_of_the_Year_Japan
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Old 03-16-2018, 01:38 PM   #345
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We are all still chasing unicons I see.

I see some people wanting wrx power, and manual transmissions in a wagon. Others would go for wrx crosstreks and still others in a boat in-between.

What are the current options available? The STI Levorg in JP is a low to ground CVT turbod wagon. I don't think a wrx Crosstrek will be available any time soon because that would just canablize the current Crosstrek. FXT in 2019 might be some hybrid. It all looks grim. The UK has Levorg wagons but with legacy powerplants. It wouldn't take much to make the ideal wagon, but so many people would still be disappointed because it's not exactly what they want.

Unicorns.
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Old 03-20-2018, 02:45 PM   #346
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We are all still chasing unicons I see.

I see some people wanting wrx power, and manual transmissions in a wagon. Others would go for wrx crosstreks and still others in a boat in-between.

What are the current options available? The STI Levorg in JP is a low to ground CVT turbod wagon. I don't think a wrx Crosstrek will be available any time soon because that would just canablize the current Crosstrek. FXT in 2019 might be some hybrid. It all looks grim. The UK has Levorg wagons but with legacy powerplants. It wouldn't take much to make the ideal wagon, but so many people would still be disappointed because it's not exactly what they want.

Unicorns.

"would just canablize the current Crosstrek"

Its more like a trim addition to the crosstrek.. like the V6 Outback or Forester XT...
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Old 03-20-2018, 03:27 PM   #347
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"would just canablize the current Crosstrek"

Its more like a trim addition to the crosstrek.. like the V6 Outback or Forester XT...
Right? How would selling more upmarket crosstreks = cannibalizing crosstrek sales?
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Old 03-20-2018, 09:58 PM   #348
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"would just canablize the current Crosstrek"

Its more like a trim addition to the crosstrek.. like the V6 Outback or Forester XT...
There’s no such thing as V6 Outback and XT is rumored cancelled.

I know that you know... just yanking your chain.
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If only the Outback had a modern V6. It could get another 50 hp from those 3.6 liters like everyone else.
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Whelp... For those willing to wait for this, I wish you the best of luck. My order is in, I'll be driving a Golf R in a few weeks hopefully.
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