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Old 01-26-2021, 09:12 AM   #3351
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Blah blah blah, the local troll is pp'ing in ot

Back to the thread, because of Pfizer's delay in retooling production to increase production, Canada's getting no Pfizer vax this week, and minuscule amounts next week. However, the increase in production will enable significantly higher allotments afterwards.

Conservative premiers are losing their ****, demanding Trudeau "do something about it". Like what? Demand they don't scale up production?
Seriously, "Pfizer, don't do that eh. Alright guys, I did everything I could"

That being said, there is a right time and a wrong time to shutdown for a production revamp.

Not that is anything even remotely as important but I remember dealing with a company that makes vegan products launching a new line that was "vegan ground beef/burgers". The popularity of the item overwhelmed them and they couldn't make it fast enough to keep up with demand. Their solution was to shut down all production for 12 weeks in May to revamp for more output on the otherside.

Then they couldn't figure out why their numbers took a **** for the entire year. Might've been a better idea to chug along as best you could through the summer "burger season" and then shutdown in fall/winter when demand is lower.

I'm not sure Pfizer shutting down right now is the smartest move with the world literally on fire. Maybe keep pumping it out and get the highest risk people taken care of until we are on the other side of "Covid Everest" and then shutter to handle production woes to get the rest of us vaccinated
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Old 01-26-2021, 09:49 AM   #3352
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Most of the premiers in Canada are glad to pass the buck to the Federal level even though some of them (*cough*Ontario/Alberta/Quebec*cough*) have done a **** ass job regarding Covid themselves.

But I guess that's typical of all offices - pass the blame somewhere else instead of taking responsibility.
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Old 01-26-2021, 09:58 AM   #3353
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"The Looney stops... somewhere over there"
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Old 01-26-2021, 10:43 AM   #3354
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The Vaccine doesn't work v

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Overcrowded and Overwhelmed: Why Israel's Current COVID-19 Wave Is the ‘Worst Yet’
The most recent wave of the coronavirus is more aggressive than its predecessors, and hospitals report a profound impact on their care and morale

Last night, six coronavirus patients died, and that’s just in one ward. In previous waves, we’d see one case, maybe two per night; today, we’ve already reached eight or nine deaths,” said Dr. Joseph Mendelovich, the deputy director general for medicine at what is currently one of the country’s most crowded hospitals, Shaare Zedek in Jerusalem.

When medical staffers end the night with six fewer patients than they began, it leaves a psychological impact, Mendelovich added. “You don’t get used to it. The situation is much worse than in previous waves, and the staff is worn to the bone.”

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Doctors agree that this wave of the virus is more aggressive than its predecessors. More patients are seriously ill, their symptoms are worse, and their condition deteriorates to the point of needing ventilators more quickly. Moreover, many are in their forties, fifties and sixties, and not all of them have underlying health conditions.

Hospitals also say that many patients now require mechanical breathing assistance in ICU units for weeks after testing negative for the virus, due to lingering damage to the lungs. The number of medical staffers diagnosed with the virus or sent into quarantine has surged, apparently due to the British mutation, further exacerbating the manpower shortage.
The data in the first article is lacking, and isn't born out on the ground. Interestingly, VAERS is down, and has been most of the time since vaccinations began in the US. Why? Maybe because they don't work that well at all, side effects are harsh and more common than usual with vaccines, people are already skeptical, and if we're lucky immunity lasts a whole year (so you can enjoy those awesome sides on an annual basis!!). v

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Old 01-26-2021, 11:11 AM   #3355
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Well son of a bitch! The notice I got Friday wasn't a mistake. I got a notification today from my healthcare provider that I qualify for 1b. I'm getting the vaccine march 18th. Better 5g reception, here I come!
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Old 01-26-2021, 11:21 AM   #3356
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My parents both got their first Moderna dose being distributed in their senior living community
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Old 01-26-2021, 11:24 AM   #3357
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Feckin' jealous over here.
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Old 01-26-2021, 12:25 PM   #3358
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Feckin' jealous over here.
You can have my asthma and frequent bouts of pneumonia.
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Old 01-26-2021, 12:26 PM   #3359
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Feckin' jealous over here.
same

I was on the "essential worker" group back when this whole thing started.
Guess who is not on the "needs the vaccine sooner"

Guess Im stuck with 4G for the time being
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Old 01-26-2021, 12:28 PM   #3360
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Israel, which leads the world in vaccinating its population against the coronavirus, has produced some encouraging news: Early results show a significant drop in infection after just one shot of a two-dose vaccine, and better than expected results after both doses.

Public health experts caution that the data, based on the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, is preliminary and has not been subjected to clinical trials. Even so, Dr. Anat Ekka Zohar, vice president of Maccabi Health Services, one of the Israeli health maintenance organizations that released the data, called it "very encouraging."

In the first early report, Clalit, Israel's largest health fund, compared 200,000 people aged 60 or over who received a first dose of the vaccine to a matched group of 200,000 who had not been vaccinated yet. It said that 14 to 18 days after their shots, the partially vaccinated patients were 33 percent less likely to be infected.

At about the same time, Maccabi's research arm said it had found an even larger drop in infections after just one dose: a decrease of about 60 percent, 13 to 21 days after the first shot, in the first 430,000 people to receive it.

Maccabi did not specify an age group or whether it had compared the data with a matched, non-vaccinated cohort.

On Monday, the Israeli Health Ministry and Maccabi released new data on people who had received both doses of the vaccine, showing extremely high rates of effectiveness.

The ministry found that out of 428,000 Israelis who had received their second doses, a week later only 63, or 0.014 percent, had contracted the virus. Similarly, the Maccabi data showed that more than a week after having received the second dose, only 20 out of roughly 128,600 people, about 0.01 percent, had contracted the virus.

In clinical trials the Pfizer vaccine proved 95 percent effective after two doses in preventing coronavirus infection in people without evidence of previous infection. The Israeli results, if they hold up, suggest the efficacy could be even higher, though rigorous comparisons to unvaccinated people have not yet been published.

"This is very encouraging data," Dr. Zohar said. "We will monitor these patients closely in order to examine if they continue to suffer from mild symptoms only and do not develop complications as a result of the virus."

Both Clalit and Maccabi warned that their findings were preliminary and said they would soon be followed by more in-depth statistical analysis in peer-reviewed scientific publications.

Israel, where more than 40 percent of the population has already received a first dose of the vaccine, has become something of an international test case for vaccination efficacy.

With its small population, highly digitized universal health system, and rapid, military-assisted vaccine rollout, Israel's real-world data provides a useful supplement to clinical trials for researchers, pharmaceutical companies and policymakers.

Israel made a deal with Pfizer in which the drug company ensured the country an early and steady supply of vaccines in exchange for data. The Health Ministry has made public a redacted version of the agreement.

Despite its race to vaccinate, Israel is suffering a devastating third wave of the coronavirus. The government reimposed a strict national lockdown this month after weeks of soaring infections and deaths.

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Israel was set to halt most air travel in and out of the country starting at midnight on Monday in an effort to block the arrival of emerging virus variants that could threaten the country's vaccination campaign. Two vaccine makers said Monday that their vaccines were slightly less effective against one of the new variants.

While real-world data like that from Israel is useful, it is subject to variables that can skew the results and which clinical trials try to account for.

The early Israeli numbers are based on the first people to get the vaccine. Such people, experts say, are likely to be more concerned or informed about the virus and therefore more careful about social distancing and mask wearing. They could also differ from those who did not rush to get the shot by location and socio-economic status.

Also, experts say, the disease changes over time. Prof. Ran Balicer, the chief innovation officer at Clalit and a leading Israeli epidemiologist, said that two-week-old data can be like evidence from a different era or "about a million vaccines ago in Israeli terms."

Maccabi said that it would release more data weekly. "The main message," Maccabi said in a statement, is that even the first dose of the vaccine "is effective and reduces morbidity and lowers hospitalizations by many tens of percent."

A hazard of releasing raw data, experts cautioned, is that it can be misinterpreted.

After Clalit first publicized its early numbers two weeks ago, many people heard about a 33 percent drop in cases, not the expected 95 percent, and jumped to the erroneous conclusion that the Pfizer shot didn't work.

There was an uproar in Britain, where the authorities have delayed giving the second dose by up to 12 weeks, as opposed to the 21-day gap on which Pfizer based its trials.

Professor Balicer thought of the results as good news and was dismayed at how they were interpreted.

"We were reassured enough to tell everyone that we were seeing what we were supposed to be seeing right after Day 14," he said. "I don't know how it turned into a message of ***8216;Oh my God, it doesn't work.'"

Professor Balicer, who is also the chairman of the team of experts advising the Israeli government on its Covid-19 response, hoped the positive results might have a bearing on an imminent government decision regarding a third lockdown.

"Covid has turned us all into amateur scientists," said Talya Miron-Shatz, an associate professor and expert in medical decision-making at Ono Academic College in central Israel. "We are all looking at data, but most people are not scientists."

Israel, which began vaccinating people on Dec. 20, has given a first shot to more than 2.6 million Israelis and both shots to more than a million people.

After starting with people aged 60 and above, health care workers and others at high risk, Israel is now offering vaccines to people over 40 and to high school students aged 16 to 18 to allow them to get back to school. The military is assisting the effort and 700 army reserve medics are helping at vaccination centers.

Prof. Jonathan Halevy, the president of Shaare Zedek Medical Center in Jerusalem, had not studied the findings of the H.M.O.s but said that two weeks after the first dose was rolled out he began seeing a drop in severe cases.

"I know several people who became infected close to the time they got the vaccine, but they got it lightly," he said.

Still, Israel remains under a national lockdown and officials are concerned about the emergence of new, highly contagious variants. It remains to be seen how effective the vaccines are against the new variants.

Despite what appears to be the early success of the vaccine, the virus continues to wreak havoc in Israel. Professor Halevy said his hospital's Covid wards were still packed to capacity and he expected that it would take another two or three weeks to see a decline.

The virus has killed more than 1,000 Israelis so far this month alone, nearly a quarter of those who have died from the pandemic virus overall.

Health officials and experts have attributed much of the recent increase in infection to the fast-spreading variant first detected in Britain.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/25/w...cine-data.html

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You can have my asthma and frequent bouts of pneumonia.
Why don't you get the pneumonia vaccine?
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Old 01-26-2021, 12:59 PM   #3362
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Goy my second Pfizer shot 2 weeks ago and had a fever, chills, and body aches for 24 hours. Totally good afterward.
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Old 01-26-2021, 01:34 PM   #3363
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I'm scheduled to go back to the same place Feb 11.
Good to know. NJ's health commissioner mandated that the site is responsible for administering the second shot, so the misses shouldn't have to worry. She's doing fine too. Only headache and injection site soreness, but at least she's not dropping out of Zoom calls anymore.
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Old 01-26-2021, 01:37 PM   #3364
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same

I was on the "essential worker" group back when this whole thing started.
Guess who is not on the "needs the vaccine sooner"

Guess Im stuck with 4G for the time being
Same here.
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Old 01-26-2021, 01:44 PM   #3365
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I am also an essential worker and have no timeline on when I will get the vaccine despite "lockdown fatigue" or whatever drastically increasing the number of clients I'm seeing every day.
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Old 01-26-2021, 01:45 PM   #3366
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The vaccines have been approved for pregnant and breastfeeding women to take by the American College of OBGYNs because it's not a virus replicating vaccine. These vaccines are considered the safest 5G vaccines ever to be produced.
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The director of the infectious disease prevention unit at Sheba Hospital, Professor Galia Rahav, Told Reshet Bet radio Tuesday night that because Israel has administered such a record-breaking amount of the coronavirus vaccine, local health authorities have recorded side effects that had not been known to Pfizer.


About 2.7 million in Israel received the first dose of the coronavirus vaccine and 1.26 million also received the second dose.

Prof. Rahav explained that people who have been vaccinated come to the hospital with symptoms such as paralysis of the facial nerve and paresthesia-an abnormal sensation of the skin involving tingling, pricking, chilling, burning, and numbness. According to Rahav, these phenomena did not appear in the Pfizer study, and only after Israeli doctors had reported them to the company did they begin to appear in its reports.

Rahav pointed to "the involvement of all kinds of nerves that we can't yet directly link to the vaccine," and noted that "at first they said it was hysterical women, but it probably wasn't, because we've seen it in men, too."

Professor Rahav emphasized that these are probably transient effects and added that it is impossible to know for sure that the vaccine causes these effects, but because it's a new vaccine, "one has to test, learn and see."

"Only now are we learning about the effectiveness of the vaccine in real life," Rahav said. "In everyday life, you learn different things, the efficiency is a little different. When we vaccinate 2.5 million people at once, clearly we'll see all kinds of phenomena occurring."

Galia Rahav specialized in internal medicine, infectious diseases, and clinical microbiology at Hadassah Hospital in Jerusalem. She worked in the Infectious Diseases unit and Clinical Microbiology at Hadassah Ein Kerem and later moved to manage the infectious disease unit at Sheba Tel Hashomer Hospital. In recent years, Prof. Rahav has been regularly selected as an outstanding lecturer at Tel Aviv University, as well as an outstanding physician, according to Forbes Magazine's rating. In 2021, she was elected chairwoman of the Israel Society for Infectious Diseases.

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Old 01-26-2021, 01:52 PM   #3368
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I am also an essential worker and have no timeline on when I will get the vaccine despite "lockdown fatigue" or whatever drastically increasing the number of clients I'm seeing every day.
I've added myself to all the lists I can find and struggle a bit with the "industry" I work in - like I manage F&B software for a college - so is that:
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The vaccines have been approved for pregnant and breastfeeding women to take by the American College of OBGYNs because it's not a virus replicating vaccine. These vaccines are considered the safest 5G vaccines ever to be produced.
The WHO disagrees.

https://www.who.int/news-room/featur...u-need-to-know


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Who should not take the vaccine?

While pregnancy puts women at a higher risk of severe COVID-19, the use of this vaccine in pregnant women is currently not recommended, unless they are at risk of high exposure (e.g. health workers).

The vaccine can be offered to a breastfeeding woman who is part of a group recommended for vaccination (e.g. health workers); discontinuing breastfeeding after vaccination is currently not recommended.
About what's going on in Israel: seemingly contradictory reports of 'wazoo vaccine super effective against covid' <> 'currently highest infection rates and deaths ever'.

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The news has exploded with reports of new variants. This is probably because countries around the world have increased how much they’re looking new variants, but it’s not the first time we’ve seen a new variant emerge. It feels like it was 10 years ago, but it was only in May of 2020 that there was a variant named D614G that seemed to spread faster than other strains of the virus and currently is the most common strain around the world.

Then, in December, we learned about the variant that is referred to as the U.K. variant, but is technically known as B.1.1.7 (scientists are great at naming things). This variant actually has 23 changes in its genome. Six of those changes don’t lead to changes in any of the virus proteins. However, the others do – and eight of those lead to changes in the spike protein. One of those spike protein changes, known as N501Y, appears to allow it to spread faster, more efficiently, than the current dominant circulating virus. The good news though is it doesn’t seem to be more deadly and it seems like the vaccine will still work against it.

However, more troubling variants have been reported in South Africa and Brazil that have a change in the spike protein known as E484K. This change makes the antibodies your immune system makes in response to the vaccine (or previous strains of the virus if you were infected and recovered) less effective. That doesn’t mean the vaccine won’t work, the T-cell part of your immune system may still be able to get the job done on its own. But it would be a lot better to have the one-two punch combination that both T-cells and B-cells bring to the fight. And what’s even worse is the variant from South Africa also has the N501Y mutation found in the U.K. variant – which means it can spread faster too.

How likely are there to be mutations that might mean bad things for us?

Then on top of those variants there are new reports of additional variants in California, but these are so new I don’t know if we know how those variants might behave differently.

So then the question becomes: How likely are there to be mutations that might mean bad things for us? We don’t know – but as we apply selection pressures to the virus, the likelihood of ‘bad’ mutations making it into the population goes up.

How does that work? Let’s use vaccination as an example. Getting vaccinated applies a selection pressure, because mutations that help a virus avoid detection by the vaccinated immune system will have an advantage over versions of the virus that don’t include that mutation. So, a virus that contains that mutation is more likely to reproduce and spread to other people. However, I want to be clear, this is NOT an argument against using vaccines. That would be like saying, “Thieves might figure out how to pick locks so there’s no reason to put a lock on my door.”

The vaccine is not causing this problem. Instead, think of it as a race between getting enough people immunity before the virus has a chance to mutate. Every infected person is one more chance for the virus to mutate, increasing the chances that a new variant emerges that spreads faster, makes people sicker, or can get around immunity. This is one reason why it is critically important for people to wear masks, wash hands, maintain social distance, and do everything they can to slow the spread of COVID-19.
https://news.ncsu.edu/2021/01/the-mu...s-cov-2-virus/
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I HAVE gotten the pneumonia vaccine.
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Same date for me.

When did you get yours done? I got mine last Tuesday 1/19
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I HAVE gotten the pneumonia vaccine.
I have to wait two weeks after my second 5G shot to get my pneumonia vaccine. When I joined the Army we just walked down a line of medics and got all our shots at once, but now I guess they're being more careful.
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I checked the online website page to see when I could actually qualify.
Dead last.

Damn you healthy young body :shakes fist:

Guess Ill wait.
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I checked the online website page to see when I could actually qualify.
Dead last.

Damn you healthy young body :shakes fist:

Guess Ill wait.
Maybe your state lets you cut the line if you indicate that you smoke. NJ does that, much to non-smoker chagrin. The price of making healthy and responsible life choices.
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CORONAVIRUSMerck Scraps COVID Vaccines; Says It's More Effective To Get The Virus And Recover
Shots generated an ***8216;inferior' immune system response in comparison with natural infection

Vaccine manufacturer Merck has abandoned development of two coronavirus vaccines, saying that after extensive research it was concluded that the shots offered less protection than just contracting the virus itself and developing antibodies.

The company announced that the shots V590 and V591 were ***8216;well tolerated' by test patients, however they generated an ***8216;inferior' immune system response in comparison with natural infection.

The company stated that instead it will focus on research into therapeutic drugs labeled as MK-7110 and MK-4482.

The drugs aim to protect patients from the damage of an overactive immune response to the virus.

"Interim results from a Phase 3 study showed a greater than 50 percent reduction in the risk of death or respiratory failure in patients hospitalized with moderate to severe COVID-19," the company's statement noted of the MK-7110 drug.

Merck is to receive around $356 million from the US government to fast-track production of the potential treatments under Operation Warp Speed.

Chief Marketing Officer Michael Nally recently told Bloomberg that Merck is aiming to produce some 20 million courses of the MK-4482 drug, an oral antiviral which patients will take twice a day for five days.

Meanwhile, in related news, German scientists have claimed that the UK Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is less than 8% effective in over 65s, prompting the vaccine developers to hit back, rubbishing the claims.

The German media published the claims, alleging it had been ***8216;confirmed' by ***8216;multiple' unnamed senior German government sources.

UK government ministers have suggested that the claim could be related to the ongoing dispute over delivery of the vaccine between the European Union and AstraZeneca.

The EU, which is yet to approve the vaccine, has threatened to block exports of shots to Britain, in a move that has been branded ***8216;spiteful' by British government sources.

In an effort to make sure its member states get their ***8216;fair share' of vaccines, the EU has also threatened to block the delivery of Pfizer vaccines to the UK, demanding that drug companies provide detailed information on when they plan to export Covid jabs to countries outside the bloc.
looks like someone has lost the race for a working vaccine and is in a huff
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And you still get pneumonia regularly? Yikes man, that sucks ass. I've had pneumonia twice, both times in the army, I don't really want it again. I'll be hitting that vaccine when I hit 60 or whatever the preferred age is now.
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