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08-18-2016, 12:58 AM | #1 |
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Big Brother is Watching - '17 WRX Limited and all '17 STI
So I had signed up for my.subaru.com updated on my new car, thought it might be neat. Today I got an email stating that my "Monthly Vehicle Report" was ready. It looks like Starlink Connect (similar to ONStar, etc.) sends data about mileage, error codes, TPMS and more up to Subaru and they send you a nice packaged report about your usage.
For now i'm not prepared to mod the powertrain on the STI (too scared about ringland and engine issues), but i'm wondering what else the ECU/DCM system is reporting up to Subaru. Previously if one were to mod via AP, then put everything back before a dealer visit it was questionable if they could really tell. Sure, they could see that the ECU was reset, and that there were a certain number of key cycles since reset etc. but there's no definite answer if they knew for sure. Basically it was detective work done on an ECU after the changes had been reverted. I'm very curious to know what data is getting pushed up to Subaru. Will the system alert them if there's an ECU change, if the ECU was reset, etc. etc. etc. Not sure what it's pushing up, but this system isn't just about unlocking doors and helping you in an emergency, it appears to be pushing data upstream. Not sure what data or how often, or even what happens if you unplug the DCM's antenna, but if you're planning on staying in warranty and have a '17 WRX Limited or STI i'd be cautious.
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08-18-2016, 03:38 PM | #2 |
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in before warranty fraud.
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08-18-2016, 03:39 PM | #3 |
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RIP warranty.
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08-18-2016, 04:11 PM | #4 |
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Interesting. I'm going to look into this. But it kinda sounds like F the warranty, straight to built motor!
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08-18-2016, 07:36 PM | #5 |
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It pushes a surprising volume of data over the data antenna. Decoding what it is sending is beyond my capability however... I disconnected the antenna when I replaced the radio and now Subaru gets nothing.
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08-18-2016, 08:13 PM | #6 |
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Pretty easy to just disconnect the DCM antennas. In the very near future, this won't be possible so enjoy autonomy while you can.
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08-18-2016, 09:28 PM | #7 |
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08-19-2016, 12:12 AM | #8 |
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May come as a shock to some......
But majority of manufacturers have been able to tell if the ecm has been reflashed for awhile now. Most ecms have a counter for reflashes. Just FYI. They know if the ecm has been reflashed regardless of the communication. They're not dumb about mods. |
08-19-2016, 01:14 AM | #9 |
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I was looking for a link to the scene in 2 fast 2 furious where Paul walker rolls up to lucacris' shop and tells them "make sure everything on the evo and spyder is copacetic" and then MC Jin comes up all like "yo these cars are wired like I ain't seen before .... This ain't LoJack"
Paul walker - "ya they hot. They wired so hot that whoever's trackin' these things will know whenever you're not wearin your seat belt!" ... Thought it would be appropriate but I digress. I couldn't find it |
08-19-2016, 01:40 AM | #10 |
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Yup, just posting it as an FYI for any newbs. If you're gonna mode, might as well take the full plunge. I've left mine connected for now, but may pull the plug at some point. Not sure I like the idea of it sending data, not just for mods, but top speeds, etc.
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08-19-2016, 08:29 AM | #11 | |
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I am not sure how connected starlink really is to the car to be able to pull something like ECU flashes, but obviously it can read diagnostic information if something goes awry. |
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08-19-2016, 09:15 AM | #12 |
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OnStar has been doing this for years. Is this really a surprise?
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08-19-2016, 09:39 AM | #13 |
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Computer Age. Burn all computers! Yeah just mod an old car that is out of warranty.
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08-19-2016, 11:52 AM | #14 |
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Who buys a wrx/sti for the warranty anyway?
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08-19-2016, 12:08 PM | #15 | |
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Big Brother is Watching - '17 WRX Limited and all '17 STI
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08-19-2016, 12:39 PM | #16 |
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08-19-2016, 10:48 PM | #17 |
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Lots of people. They are called enthusiasts and there used to be quite a few of them on internet forums.
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08-19-2016, 11:54 PM | #18 |
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I'm planning on unplugging the Starlink module in a few days. I can only see the information they are gathering to be used against me and not for me. The other day I removed my passenger seat temporarily and Subaru sent an email twice telling me there was an issue. Anyone who starts the car will see an airbag alert and a check engine light, so the information was redundant in my case.
"We’ve been notified via STARLINK™ that the Airbag System light is still on in your 2017 WRX. We can tell you why this is important. The Airbag System light indicates there might be a potential problem with your vehicle’s Supplemental Restraint System, which includes the airbags and seatbelts. For your safety, we recommend a full system check immediately. Please contact your Subaru Retailer as soon as possible. If you’ve already made a service appointment, please disregard this email." Here's a Forester thread I found with pics on disabling it: http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulletin/f77/2016-starlink-disable-internet-connection-508193/#/topics/508193?page=2&_k=jfpptu Last edited by themessage; 08-20-2016 at 12:00 AM. |
08-20-2016, 11:16 AM | #19 | |
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What is the easiest way to disable it? |
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08-20-2016, 02:54 PM | #20 |
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08-20-2016, 07:39 PM | #21 |
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Eh, let 'em monitor me if they want. I'm not that interesting anymore.
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08-20-2016, 07:55 PM | #22 | |
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Grown ups that don't want to play the modified shenanigans game.
You're paying for it either way, might as well use it while you can. Quote:
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08-20-2016, 09:07 PM | #23 |
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08-20-2016, 09:34 PM | #24 | |
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Airbag operability is a good thing. And if there is a question about what info is being sent to Subaru, has anyone thought to ASK them what info is being sent to them? I would think there is a law(privacy of some sort) out there that would require them to tell you when asked? |
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08-20-2016, 10:15 PM | #25 | |
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