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Old Yesterday, 08:41 PM   #376
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But hey they tried.
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But hey they tried.
tried wagons too. learned that lesson over a decade ago.
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90% wagon 10% fairy dust and ugly. So technically still trying 90% wagons. And successful. Good for them. Didn't like the BP Outback XT when they were new even when all painted and less offensive. Just pointless paying more money for one and then lowering it.

But honestly I really would buy a new XT and lower it if there was less involved with undoing the rails and the bumper covers and arches. But the CVT and no VTD makes it that much more less appealing.

I'm willfully ignorant, selfish, AND picky. The very definition of an enthusiast. Subaru can't win 'em all at all times I suppose.
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If wagons don't exist anymore... because people don't like them and they don't sell, then why does Subaru call my Impreza a wagon?

And why do I find it the answer I've been looking for, and love it... because it does everything I value in a modern car very well. It's sleek, low, wide, and handles like it's on rails. Handles all my tasks. The fact I'm averaging over 30 mpg city, on regular, in the winter, goes a long way toward making up for the horsepower I haven't used yet.

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We've been over this many times. Some don't accept the facts.
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90% wagon 10% fairy dust and ugly. So technically still trying 90% wagons. And successful. Good for them. Didn't like the BP Outback XT when they were new even when all painted and less offensive. Just pointless paying more money for one and then lowering it.

But honestly I really would buy a new XT and lower it if there was less involved with undoing the rails and the bumper covers and arches. But the CVT and no VTD makes it that much more less appealing.

I'm willfully ignorant, selfish, AND picky. The very definition of an enthusiast. Subaru can't win 'em all at all times I suppose.
raised and cladded. And I dunno... that picture looks kinda cool to me. And yeah, Subaru can't win them all. I'm genuinely curious what you will ultimately end up settling for.
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raised and cladded. And I dunno... that picture looks kinda cool to me. And yeah, Subaru can't win them all. I'm genuinely curious what you will ultimately end up settling for.
Yeah it looks decent in that image after looking at it. Maybe theyíll do the brushed slim rails again.

Iíll prolly sell it and go without replacing.
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If wagons don't exist anymore... because people don't like them and they don't sell, then why does Subaru call my Impreza a wagon?

And why do I find it the answer I've been looking for, and love it... because it does everything I value in a modern car very well. It's sleek, low, wide, and handles like it's on rails. Handles all my tasks. The fact I'm averaging over 30 mpg city, on regular, in the winter, goes a long way toward making up for the horsepower I haven't used yet.



https://parts.subaru.com/Subaru_2019...wEyeSight.html

We've been over this many times. Some don't accept the facts.

It was explained to me a long time ago and I certainly don't recall the exact specifics; but, it's something to do with being an internal reference. They simply didn't want to change it from when it was a wagon. They "externally" don't market it as a wagon. Heck. They haven't marketed it at all for some years now. And when the switch was made in 2008MY, they pushed for it to be referred to as the "5door" and "4door".




And again........I don't remember specifics from nearly 13 years ago; so, no need to pick apart what I just put down. Just putting in two cents.
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If wagons don't exist anymore... because people don't like them and they don't sell, then why does Subaru call my Impreza a wagon?



And why do I find it the answer I've been looking for, and love it... because it does everything I value in a modern car very well. It's sleek, low, wide, and handles like it's on rails. Handles all my tasks. The fact I'm averaging over 30 mpg city, on regular, in the winter, goes a long way toward making up for the horsepower I haven't used yet.







https://parts.subaru.com/Subaru_2019...wEyeSight.html



We've been over this many times. Some don't accept the facts.


But itís not a wagon though. Itís a hatch, and Subaru doesnít call it a wagon officially or in marketing because itís not. Youíre referencing something built on a legacy structure (not meaning the Legacy sedan).
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Right now I'm in Phoenix and my rental is a 2020 Volvo V60 Cross Country wagon via SIXT car rentals. Anyway, I don't see the market going backwards to offer an affordable, more basic performance wagon. Subaru would be the only company who could try and make wagons cool again, but they're one of the most conservative companies around, so it's highly doubtful. Which is too bad, because I love how easy it is to throw bags into this thing, plus just ingress/egress in general.
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But itís not a wagon though. Itís a hatch, and Subaru doesnít call it a wagon officially or in marketing because itís not. Youíre referencing something built on a legacy structure (not meaning the Legacy sedan).
I appreciate the kind and considered responses.

However, my post was really meant to expose the obvious: Those who are fully under the mind control of a particular agenda, versus the reality of the world external to said agenda. In this case, call the "agenda" Subaru Marketing.

Subaru can speak out of both sides of its mouth, with an internal vs external bifurcation... but it doesn't fool the rest of the world, just the Subaru Borg.

Google Subaru+Wagon. See what YOU get... although I already know. Try it different ways... same.

Pardon my interruption, it wasn't meant to get answers here as they don't change. It was meant to highlight the nutcase identification dyslexia of the current media-owned mindset... where what something is called is the same as what something IS.

The math is less confusing:

Transitive Axiom: If a = b and b = c then a = c. This is the third axiom of equality. It follows Euclid's Common Notion One: "Things equal to the same thing are equal to each other."


The whole point being that the Levorg is, in and of itself, excluded from USDM sales worthy status because of arbitrary naming conventions, not by essence. As a wagon it's as American as apple pie. But Dorothy was right, too many aren't in Kansas anymore.
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Subaru Levorg, Bold New Station Wagon, Previews the Next WRX
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But itís not a wagon though. Itís a hatch, and Subaru doesnít call it a wagon officially or in marketing because itís not. Youíre referencing something built on a legacy structure (not meaning the Legacy sedan).
I have to agree with SeeeeeYa. Who defines what something is, then?

Front of the house, Marketing, calls it a hatch. Wait, no that's not at all correct. No where on the Subaru site, nor in any brochures, do they refer to it, ANYWHERE, as a "Hatch". *You* are calling it a hatch. *You* are using a pre-conceived notion that it "looks like a hatch" therefore it must be one.

Everywhere else on Subaru's site for the Imprea?

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But, when you go to parts.subaru.com, you have 2 choices... "Sedan" or "Wagon" variants. Back of the house, Logistics/Service/Parts, identifies it as a Wagon, IN THE ENTIRETY OF THE SYSTEM. Let me look at my registration. Oh, wow. "Wagon".

I'm with those that understand the logistics instead of the fluff. It's a wagon. Subaru marketing is towing the line from SOA...



Here's the real truth, SoDealer... and you know this (if you work for any kind of business that deals in parts, or manufacturing)

Logistics has the names years before Marketing does. They know what they are, how they're made, and has to start the process of ordering and tracking them years before marketing even has their first meeting on the "Image" they have to/want to portray of the product.

The back of the house almost always has it right, because early on, they have to have the nomenclature spot on for the systems that track and manage all the inventory.

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