2022/2023 Honda Civic Type R Thread

[dwf137]

Rewind 10 years and enthusiasts bitched and moaned about sensors... too costly, pain in the ass to swap wheels, tire pressure is something drivers should be checking anyway, blah blah. Manufacturers find a way to do the same thing without sensors, and that's the problem?

Didn't have sensors on my R and I thought it was awesome. The system did it's job well. Alerted me to low pressures in the fall, and the one time I got a flat it was pretty quick to alert me, I think it was only like a 5-6 psi difference by the time it threw up an alert.

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[neg_matnik]

Originally Posted by dwf137

Rewind 10 years and enthusiasts bitched and moaned about sensors... too costly, pain in the ass to swap wheels, tire pressure is something drivers should be checking anyway, blah blah. Manufacturers find a way to do the same thing without sensors, and that's the problem?

Didn't have sensors on my R and I thought it was awesome. The system did it's job well. Alerted me to low pressures in the fall, and the one time I got a flat it was pretty quick to alert me, I think it was only like a 5-6 psi difference by the time it threw up an alert.

OT, but VW is recalling a bunch of cars to "fix" the TPMS warning implementation.
Apparently, if all 4 tires suddenly lose pressure at the same time, the "TPMS" warning doesn't trigger .
The local dealer has been hounding me to bring my R in .

[rmbrady]

I love the fact that my Type R uses the wheel speed sensor for the TPMS. Makes switching between Summer, Winter, and Track wheels super easy.

Having the tire temps as a readout would make me change my tune maybe, but barring that I prefer the Honda method.

[bemani]

Originally Posted by neg_matnik

OT, but VW is recalling a bunch of cars to "fix" the TPMS warning implementation.
Apparently, if all 4 tires suddenly lose pressure at the same time, the "TPMS" warning doesn't trigger .
The local dealer has been hounding me to bring my R in .

VW uses actual sensors?

I know Honda will do that because they just detect the minute differences in rolling speed between wheels so it can't catch it if all 4 tires have the same low psi.

[neg_matnik]

Originally Posted by bemani

VW uses actual sensors?

I know Honda will do that because they just detect the minute differences in rolling speed between wheels so it can't catch it if all 4 tires have the same low psi.

No, VW doesn't use sensors. But, it seems like it's as you said, if all 4 tires suddenly deflate at the same time, the VW algorithm is not able to catch it quickly enough.

Nov 09,2022
Manufacturer Recall Number 45J6
NHTSA Recall Number 22V815

Summary
In a test environment, in rare cases, the tire pressure monitoring system may not detect an air pressure loss in the time specified in the NHTSA FMVSS No, 138 Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems test procedure if it occurs simultaneously at the same rate in all four tires.
A sudden loss of pressure in all four tires at the same time that goes undetected as required by regulations increases the risk of a crash.

Safety Risk
A sudden loss of pressure in all four tires at the same time that goes undetected as required by regulations increases the risk of a crash.

Remedy
Update the TPMS software.

[rmbrady]

https://carsandbids.com/auctions/9WZ...a-civic-type-r

Love to see another flipper get shot down. This dope even included the sticker showing $67k before TTL.

c/n: New type R is a no sale at $49k

[FaastLegacy]

Honda will build enough Type Rs for demand, unlike Toyota. The dealers here usually had 1-2 on the lots at all times. That guy is a moron if he thought he was going to turn a profit on a $47k car with a $20k markup on it.

Interest rates are going to hammer some of the guys buying these things so they'll be taken out of the market too. reducing demand.

[Kostamojen]

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[4S-TURBO]

Between those two and you have a line on one for MSRP, it's not even a question.

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[SCRAPPYDO]

Originally Posted by 4S-TURBO

Between those two and you have a line on one for MSRP, it's not even a question.

I find it amazing the elantra N is as good as it is. To even be considered a near rival for the Type R with as much notoriety and history as it has, is a Huge accomplishment.

[Russ_G93]

I feel for that one kid that was told buy a cop that his completely stock Exhaust was illegal. Not sure what happened to that situation (Thats CA for you), but yeah the Elantra is pretty badass. Was nice of them to include a Track mode that affects the sound of the exhaust along with the mode (or perceived sound).

[YungBoba]

Originally Posted by Russ_G93

I feel for that one kid that was told buy a cop that his completely stock Exhaust was illegal. Not sure what happened to that situation (Thats CA for you), but yeah the Elantra is pretty badass. Was nice of them to include a Track mode that affects the sound of the exhaust along with the mode (or perceived sound).

Court date is scheduled for sometime this month. Apparently Hyundai is going to help the guy fight it but there's not many details as to how exactly they plan to do that.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/hyunda...exhaust-report

I do believe most manufacturers have some kind of "this mode should be used only on a racetrack or for offroad use only" message buried somewhere in the manual or infotainment as it pertains to driving modes that let the exhaust flow freely, but how that stands up against certain state and local laws, I'm not sure.

California does have some pretty dumb laws and selective enforcing of them. All up and down PCH there are signs warning people that they'll be pulled over for loud exhausts, yet I've seen plenty of hyper/supercars (Lamborghini/Ferrari/McLaren/etc.) flooring it and have never once seen one pulled over. Same goes for straight piped Harleys. Go into the the city however and it's a different story for people who drive cars that are much less expensive that happen to be loud.

[Blitzkrieg]

According to (the owner) Ok, after the last update “a new Hyundai manager reached out to me and set up a date to have my vehicle picked up for testing at HATCI (Hyundai America Technical Center Inc). They set me up in a hybrid loaner and I am still currently driving the loaner vehicle.” So this situation is taking multiple months all while the owner continues to make payments on the car.

For its part, Hyundai seems to be going toe to toe with the Californian government over the issue. According to the owner, “Hyundai have confirmed a few weeks ago that there is nothing wrong with the vehicle. I assume that they will be holding on to the EN and I will be driving their loaner until the citation and state ref is cleared.”

On top of that, Hyundai has given him a $500 payment as compensation for the trouble and he’s hired a lawyer for his February 23rd court date. Here’s to hoping that it gets thrown out long before then. The owner plans to provide an update with the results of the case when they take place.

Seems like a cluster... Probem

[neg_matnik]

Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg

According to (the owner) Ok, after the last update "a new Hyundai manager reached out to me and set up a date to have my vehicle picked up for testing at HATCI (Hyundai America Technical Center Inc). They set me up in a hybrid loaner and I am still currently driving the loaner vehicle." So this situation is taking multiple months all while the owner continues to make payments on the car.

For its part, Hyundai seems to be going toe to toe with the Californian government over the issue. According to the owner, "Hyundai have confirmed a few weeks ago that there is nothing wrong with the vehicle. I assume that they will be holding on to the EN and I will be driving their loaner until the citation and state ref is cleared."

On top of that, Hyundai has given him a $500 payment as compensation for the trouble and he's hired a lawyer for his February 23rd court date. Here's to hoping that it gets thrown out long before then. The owner plans to provide an update with the results of the case when they take place.

Seems like a cluster... Probem

Allegedly, when the owner went to the BAR referee to get the car tested, the referee asked him point-blank to "put the car into the driving mode in which it's the loudest".
The owner was naive enough to comply; I would have kindly asked the referee to pound salt and to test the car in the default mode at startup.
It seems like the whole situation is a nice trap organized by law enforcement in coordination with the state BAR referee.
Meanwhile, I can ride my straight-piped '80 Harley shovelhead all over without a care in the world That's nuts.

[FaastLegacy]

Even as a left leaning guy, as much as I love San Diego, I don't think I could live in CA. Don't they have better things to do with their resources than hassling people with brand new cars?

[Blitzkrieg]

Originally Posted by FaastLegacy

Even as a left leaning guy, as much as I love San Diego, I don't think I could live in CA. Don't they have better things to do with their resources than hassling people with brand new cars?

Thats because you're a lefty that likes who has no issues finding the middle ground in the right situations.

[godfather2112]

Originally Posted by FaastLegacy

Even as a left leaning guy, as much as I love San Diego, I don't think I could live in CA. Don't they have better things to do with their resources than hassling people with brand new cars?

I also lean center left (previously leaned center right). There’s a reason I left San Diego despite me thinking it’ WAS the best city in the country (I covered Hawaii and Vegas as part of my job and hated leaving San Diego) m. The whole state is going the toilet and almost everyone I know that was either born and raised in San Diego or who promised to never leave has left or plans to leave.

The state goes after easy revenue or b.s problems and avoids the really issues. This is a prime example. Instead of going after crime, serious drugs, or resolving homelessness, they go after crap like this.

I support going after aftermarket loud exhausts especially those that have emission controls removed but let’s go after the real problems first.

[FaastLegacy]

Originally Posted by godfather2112

I also lean center left (previously leaned center right). There’s a reason I left San Diego despite me thinking it’ WAS the best city in the country (I covered Hawaii and Vegas as part of my job and hated leaving San Diego) m. The whole state is going the toilet and almost everyone I know that was either born and raised in San Diego or who promised to never leave has left or plans to leave.

The state goes after easy revenue or b.s problems and avoids the really issues. This is a prime example. Instead of going after crime, serious drugs, or resolving homelessness, they go after crap like this.

I support going after aftermarket loud exhausts especially those that have emission controls removed but let’s go after the real problems first.

Seriously.

You want to do emissions and inspections on older cars? Cool. But wasting resources to essentially bully some kid with a brand new car and a stock exhaust is senseless, and I'm sure he's not the only person that's fallen prey to this.

I love SD, probably couldn't afford to live there or at least live where I'd want to live, but can't stand the state level f-kery.

[SCRAPPYDO]

The problem with the whole state of California is that is it filled with Californians. The state is beautiful, always has been. You can take Californians to mean whatever you want it to mean. The folks born and raised there seem to hate all the people who have arrived in the last 40 years or so. They claim they ruined the state. I cannot speak on this directly as I was only there for 4 years, and I left as fast I could.

New people say native Californians are rude and unwelcoming. I have no dog in the fight, but I would be curious to hear what some of you that have lived there for a LONG time think. I know most Texans hate all the new transplants arriving mucking things up. So maybe I have my answer.

[855T]

I have no problem with new people. I have no problem with long timers. I have no problem with others (like me) who were born and raised here, and decided to stay.

I have a problem with anyone who doesn't live here making snap judgments on crime or any other issue with which they have only third-hand perspective. I have a problem with people who move here, benefit from what CA has to offer, and then pull up the ladder behind them. I have a problem with residents who refuse to allow anything to get built and turn around and complain about traffic and homeless people.

The state holds an eighth of the entire population of the US. It is impossible to make accurate generalizations about the state at large. I live in a neighborhood of LA with over 60k people - you can't even make generalizations about Highland Park, much less the city of LA, or LA county. The sheer volume of people, of space, of ideas, makes anecdotes like the stupid exhaust story inevitable but also irrelevant. There are tens of thousands of cars with illegal license plates, bald tires, loud exhausts, etc. That they hassled one guy with one loud Elantra is not a story.

[Kostamojen]

The biggest problem with California is conservative propaganda...

Can we stay on topic pls? k thx bye

[Kostamojen]

The biggest problem with California is conservative propaganda...

Can we stay on topic pls? k thx bye

[samagon]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

The biggest problem with California is conservative propaganda...

that's both cute and silly at the same time.