Toyota GR Corolla: Automatic Transmission Set For 2024 Release Date

[godfather2112]

Originally Posted by dwf137

The top trim of the GRC costs 50K BEFORE ADM.

At the base price, sure it's acceptable, I guess. But at 50K+?

Hey man, people were paying far more than that for an S209. Hell, people are paying $200k for an EV hummer. Crazy exists for all car buyers.

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[samagon]

Originally Posted by dwf137

I was hoping that Toyota's entry to the market would shake things up, but instead all it did was create a new version of almost 15 year old cars.

as car mistakes go, trading in my sti hatch was probably my biggest.

I mean, I didn't know it at the time, I thought I could deal with a sedan instead of a hatch and be happy, what replaced it had a tighter chassis and was about as quick, but the lack of a hatch, and that amazing transmission, I regret, fully. the BRZ is a treat to drive, so the journey has been worth it because I learned and still enjoy where I am, but regret still hangs, and I should have kept it.

so yeah, after having had one 15 years ago (or near enough), and having gone through a few different cars, I realize how great that car was, and yes, an updated version of that is just my target.

the fact that you don't want one doesn't bother me in the least, in fact, considering how hard it will be to get, I'm kind of happy there's one fewer person in the market, but yeah, for me, you hit the nail on the head.

[Pre]

Originally Posted by samagon

so yeah, after having had one 15 years ago (or near enough), and having gone through a few different cars, I realize how great that car was, and yes, an updated version of that is just my target.

I regret selling my GR STI as well. Mine was a 2008, and sure if Marty was here in the stainless steel flux capacitor I’d go back and buy a 2012-2014, and throw a 207 in it. That’s what I should have done. Kept my 2008. Paid it off (I owed something chintz like 9k on mine when I sold it). Bought an efficient hatch for DD, then had the motor pulled out of the GR and bought a 207 in the crate. Forged internals, the works. I was on the Bilsteins list when I sold it as Ohlins weren’t even out. And Bilstein hadn’t even shipped their dampers yet but I was on the list with them.

But none of us thought Subaru would axe the hatch permanently. I mean I thought when I sold mine, hey they will at least make a hatch WRX. And they did, but wagon instead of hatch this go round, and a big ol F U from SOA. I regret nothing. If I could do it over sure I would have kept my car but hindsight is 20/20. I don’t regret it. It got me to try an EV, that I still own and DD almost 9 years later. That alone has saved me many thousands of dollars. That lead to 35 panels on the house for free gas so to speak. It got me to try a a VAG Turbo Diesel 6MT. And got me to try a Ford Performance product, that had the best AWD system I’ve owned to the point and a very similar system sits in my driveway now that I will own permanently. It’s just a truck, which I had also planned on buying at some point.

And that journey has led to the GRC. Power is on par with my STi, but it’s lighter and handles better. And the aftermarket is going to be awesome for the car. In the end, it’ll be a much better GR, and make more power, safely, and reliably than the GR, while being more reliable without fear of ringland boom. And my GR could not send 70% to the rear wheels. I have a strong feeling, based on the RS, that when the GRC has new dampers, and rear sway, and you do the valve springs, camshafts, and a new turbo, oh my. Motive has the breakdown of what the G16 does at each “stage” and it’s going to be f’ing awesome. So awesome at the end I don’t care if I own a Core or Circuit. It’s going to be the culmination of the EVO, GR STI, and the Focus RS but it’s all Toyota, and produced in Japan at the special Motomachi plant. It’s been a nice ride, and this is my exit from the car market sans a DD swap getting the same DD just the newer one with the range I need for rural living.

Been working on my fleet of vehicles for 12 years now, grinding it out, and the GRC is the crown jewel.

[dwf137]

Originally Posted by samagon

the fact that you don't want one doesn't bother me in the least, in fact, considering how hard it will be to get, I'm kind of happy there's one fewer person in the market, but yeah, for me, you hit the nail on the head.

Fair point. I do regret selling my golf R, that was an almost perfect car that I probably could have kept forever (maintenance pending). So I see where you're coming from there.

I'm sure it's gonna be a hoot. It'll be plenty fast for the street, and an awesome track car if someone choses to go that route with it. It'll definitely go down as one of those cars that in 20-30 years, it's gonna be worth something.

I'm just surprised to see so many other car segments getting not only better handling, but also mo' speed, so it just seems off. Engine limitations all make sense. We hit peak output and now it's probably a struggle to maintain output while emissions targets ramp up. The logic is there. It just seems off, that's all.

[godfather2112]

My biggest car regret, selling my 2017 M2.

[Sid03SVT]

If Subaru Had kept making 5 door STIs I might have bought one when I got rid of my WRX; I do not regret selling my 06 WRX wagon though. Don't get me wrong, I miss having a wagon, but that's because it was primarily my family car, so my kids were in it every day. Crash safety has improved massively since then, and I wouldn't buy another family car to keep the WRX wagon as a toy/weekend cruiser, I Just wasn't into the WRX in that way. Similarly, I'd take a GR corolla, but it's going to be a relatively fun family car, not a weekend toy or second vehicle, again I don't like it enough to want it as a second vehicle; that's Mustang/Porsche/Lotus territory for me. Camaro is a great performer and would be in that group too, if not for the fact that the design is a tragedy; it has all of the blind spots an then some, just not a car I want to drive.

I feel like if you're buying a Subaru now, it's brand loyalty above all else; ignoring the Outback because it doesn't really have competition, I think nearly every other manufacturer offers something better than what Subaru does. Granted, I can't speak as much to the impreza and crosstrek as those cars are just not something I would buy anyways (that goes for all FWD/AWD non-performance sedans/hatches).

[Kostamojen]

Originally Posted by Sid03SVT

I feel like if you're buying a Subaru now, it's brand loyalty above all else

I would certainly buy a BRZ over a GR86 right now. People are having a MUCH easier time with Subaru dealers than Toyota dealers with these cars, both the purchasing experience and maintenance.

[chanomatik]

Originally Posted by Sid03SVT

If Subaru Had kept making 5 door STIs I might have bought one when I got rid of my WRX; I do not regret selling my 06 WRX wagon though. Don't get me wrong, I miss having a wagon, but that's because it was primarily my family car, so my kids were in it every day. Crash safety has improved massively since then, and I wouldn't buy another family car to keep the WRX wagon as a toy/weekend cruiser, I Just wasn't into the WRX in that way. Similarly, I'd take a GR corolla, but it's going to be a relatively fun family car, not a weekend toy or second vehicle, again I don't like it enough to want it as a second vehicle; that's Mustang/Porsche/Lotus territory for me. Camaro is a great performer and would be in that group too, if not for the fact that the design is a tragedy; it has all of the blind spots an then some, just not a car I want to drive.

I feel like if you're buying a Subaru now, it's brand loyalty above all else; ignoring the Outback because it doesn't really have competition, I think nearly every other manufacturer offers something better than what Subaru does. Granted, I can't speak as much to the impreza and crosstrek as those cars are just not something I would buy anyways (that goes for all FWD/AWD non-performance sedans/hatches).

To be fair the only vehicle in Subaru's line-up that is questionably competitive is the Ascent, which is a newcomer to the brand. Otherwise Crosstrek and Forester do fairly well for their segment. Impreza has never done spectacularly, but it kind of doesn't have to as it's just entry-level ecobox AWD Subaru. Legacy is in a segment that's briskly been killed off. BRZ, Outback and WRX are kind of their own segments or just aren't really the Subaru image in the BRZ's case.

I'd kind of be surprised if the entire Impreza line-up disappeared, unless the Crosstrek comes down to $20k. I have a friend who just ordered a base model Impreza hatchback that won't arrive until December. It was the cheapest, safest vehicle they could afford, and I think Subaru pretty much owns that segment as long as they can keep the car under/at/slightly above $20k.

The WRX specifically feels somewhat like brand loyalty, but, again, it's a fairly niche segment: Performance, AWD, turbo with a manual, for around $30k, and relatively high availability. However, the WRX is the only new performance car that I wouldn't bother adding PPF. Subaru kind of screwed that up with all the plastic cladding, trying to get in touch with its "rally roots". Paint them flares, though, and that's a different story.

Anyway, I hope to see the ME GRC updates make their way into a special CE-type of model in the future. I refuse to spend any more of my money to buy a new car that falls short on options that are available on other trims.

[Pre]

The Morizo is a track vehicle. Why would you even want that if you are never going to track it? Bragging rights?

[subenerd]

Originally Posted by Pre

The Morizo is a track vehicle. Why would you even want that if you are never going to track it? Bragging rights?

Agree, and even that being said I guess I get the spirit of an "Uber limited track unicorn" but it's a 4 door hatch with no back seats Even if I had the time and $50k+ dollar bucks for a dedicated track car I wouldn't be choosing the morizo. Should have made 250 Yaris morizos and the other 6000 as Corolla Circuits, skipping the core outright.

[chanomatik]

Originally Posted by Pre

The Morizo is a track vehicle. Why would you even want that if you are never going to track it? Bragging rights?

Why would you want a Core if you know there's still engine and transmission tuning left on the table? Does the extra weight from non-Morizo GRC really affect the engine and transmission that much that they have to be de-tuned?

I'm actually surprised you're okay with it.

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[VarmintCong]

Originally Posted by Pre

The Morizo is a track vehicle. Why would you even want that if you are never going to track it? Bragging rights?

Exclusivity. People pay a ton for that. Others just want the most expensive version of whatever they buy.

This mentality could take a hit if the financial markets keep dropping.

[4S-TURBO]

Yes take all the hits.

[Pre]

Originally Posted by chanomatik

Why would you want a Core if you know there's still engine and transmission tuning left on the table? Does the extra weight from non-Morizo GRC really affect the engine and transmission that much that they have to be de-tuned?

I'm actually surprised you're okay with it.

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Are you being serious?

The Core w/PP has the same engine, AWD system, clutch, gearbox, diffs, name it. Oh wow the Morizo has shorter gearing and it's stiffer in the rear, big whoop. You can solve all that in the aftermarket. Bolt ons and tune, put on either a Morizo or a Core, not gonna be some huge difference, no difference. I think you need to pull out of these YT influencer reviews, etc. Same for the dampers. The Morizo has twin tube KYB, more massive whoop. I'll be throwing on Ohlins or Bilsteins and a stiffer rear sway, bam my own Morizo edition. The gearing difference is not anything I'm concerned with as it won't matter once the wick is turned up. There are aftermarket clutches already, multiple turbos, the G16 has existed for a while now around the world, just not here. This vehicle will have enough parts and aftermarket support to make your head spin. Toyota is even encouraging the aftermarket. They dropped the cars off for a measuring session for aftermarket companies to get started at SEMA.

I think some of you have a major problem psychologically that you must have the top trim of whatever you buy. What for? Bragging rights? Image? You gonna get on IG and flex? My goodness this is a drivers car built for driving enthusiasts. If you want to front buy something else. Like why in the hell would you buy a Morizo Edition anyways, when all you are going to do is drive it to work, get your groceries, sit in drive through lines, etc, Mundane crap you could do in a Prius? Why do you even want it? It's 50k, it's totally worth that money if you are going to track it a lot. If not, total waste of money. You lose the rear wiper. You lose the back seat. You lose rear speakers, window actuators in the rear and you also lose a lot of sound deadening. IE, it's a track special. Why buy a track special if you aren't going to track it on the reg? Pretty stupid to me. Ever ran Cups? I have. If you use those tires on the street, mountain, canyon, whatever, ting ting ting. They throw pebbles and rocks all in the wheel wells. That's a track tire. So go ahead and get your 50k Morizo nooch, you'll be immediately at the Discount Tire dropping another f'in grand on PS4's or Contis or whatever. Is fronting and image worth all that?

I've got a real legit chance at getting a Morizo, better than most. My dealer goes by deposit date, and they don't play. Sales people, managers etc are not bumping us, they have to get in line like everyone else. It's a huge volume dealer and when the Supra came out they got 2 launch edition Supras and both were sold to people who had deposits, not dealer employees. I'm #2 and #1 does not want a Morizo. So my dealer is very likely to get a ME. I will likely pass on it. I can afford it, a Supra, a new M2, I just don't want to spend that kind of dough. The bang for the buck is the Core w/ the PP. If I had my way it would be a loaded core, in Heavy Metal, with the Alcantara seat inserts off the CE as well as the CE wing. But they don't offer that. So I'm playing my cards for a HM CE, first, and if I can't get that, a loaded Ice Cap Core. I'm buying it to drive it aggressively in corners. If it has the Torsen diffs, you don't really need anything else for that. Man I think the car market here is just stupid. People buying **** that was designed for something that they will never ever use it for. WTF? 50k, to me, might as well bump up to the next level, lose AWD, and buy a Supra. It's damn near a M car. Doubtful for me but I won't say never. If I have the 50% saved I plan on a ME is an option for me. Who knows in the spur of the moment but doubtful. I'd love to just waste money one time in my life on a car but the CE is enough waste for me. We'll see how it goes next year though. I'm not ruling any trim out.

Motomachi is a special factory. By their own words they say the GRC takes 10X the amount of time to build and assemble compared to a regular Corolla hatch. It's a limited facility that just cannot produce mainstream level products. And Tripp leaked it that Toyota is likely only going to produce this vehicle 23-26. Waiting, punting for later years, man all it's going to take is more EV announcements oh and we're killing X or Y, and it's not going to be fun participating in musical chairs, the last dance, at the end. Talk about boxing. You think any of this is bad now, give it a couple of years. Even Ford said this new Mustang GT is the last all ICE one. You are in the forest man start seeing the trees.

Anyone who is remotely realistic will pick a couple of trims. And a couple of colors, and get what you can get. And waiting until 2024 is pretty rational at this point. First year potential issues, albeit the motor and AWD system have been sorted for some time so it's not the risk a first MY vehicle is usually. But waiting for the CTR to hit, hype to move to it, supply chains to ramp up, etc, is solid. 24 or 25, sure. But don't wait until the last year. No matter the trim of the car, as long as it has the Torsens, they aren't that much different for the people who know what's up, willing to throw a tune on it, JB4, whatever. A loaded core and 11k in my pocket for mod money you could destroy a Morizo at a circuit, road, anywhere. And the CE is a cosmetic special, nothing more. The Core w/PP drives the exact same.

[carsebuco]

Originally Posted by Pre

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^ this guy fu cks

Couldn't have said it any better. Where's the damn LIKE button?

Freaking 2005 forum

[chanomatik]

Originally Posted by Pre

Are you being serious?
**snip**

Who said anything about wanting the "top trim"? There you go, reading out of context again, assigning an agenda to a simple question. Here, I'll spell it out for you:

The ME comes with more power and better gear ratios FROM THE FACTORY. Why should everyone else have to chance their warranty with the aftermarket when Toyota can obviously have a better starting point to work with? What's holding back the non-ME GRCs from having more torque and better gear ratios?

It's weird that you think wanting those things standard is a "flex". Maybe if the other two models had been out for at least a model year, followed by the ME's release, I could see it. BUT THE CAR ISN'T EVEN OUT YET. Even you said so yourself that you hope/expect to see the ME upgrades trickle down to the other models. It's fine if you don't know why such seemingly simple upgrades are only on one model at launch. No need to try and be "real" with a simple question.

[Pre]

Originally Posted by chanomatik

Who said anything about wanting the "top trim"? There you go, reading out of context again, assigning an agenda to a simple question. Here, I'll spell it out for you:

The ME comes with more power and better gear ratios FROM THE FACTORY. Why should everyone else have to chance their warranty with the aftermarket when Toyota can obviously have a better starting point to work with? What's holding back the non-ME GRCs from having more torque and better gear ratios?

It's weird that you think wanting those things standard is a "flex". Maybe if the other two models had been out for at least a model year, followed by the ME's release, I could see it. BUT THE CAR ISN'T EVEN OUT YET. Even you said so yourself that you hope/expect to see the ME upgrades trickle down to the other models. It's fine if you don't know why such seemingly simple upgrades are only on one model at launch. No need to try and be "real" with a simple question.

Chance your warranty? What world you living in? Dude this is it. The Last Dance. This is the last round of 100% pure ICE 6MT, and that's it. Subaru even saying no more STI until they can produce a hybrid/EV STI. It's been said that the GRY costs them money to produce, IE no profit. The 86 is a Subaru venture, the Supra a BMW venture. This is the first 100% Toyota performance product in decades. So you're mad that a track special, super special edition, only 200 copies, gets a couple of things that the other trims don't get? That's your hang up? For $11,000 less expensive that's fine with me, compared to a loaded core. $12,000 less for a Core w/PP and 7k less for a CE. That's a significant amount of money less so no, I don't give two ****s. Toyota didn't even have to produce this car. We should be lucky any trim is coming at all, and thankful, not acting entitled and pissy about a super limited edition track special getting a couple things. With chips and supply chain issues, rising cost of chips and supply chain items, a MY change is likely to bring an increase in cost. Yes, we can certainly reason that it is possible for Toyota to bring ME things to other trims, it's a possibility. Toyota did that with the Supra, but that's also a 50k car they made changes to. And that's also a BMW partnership product. The Morizo is a very special thing that bares Akio's name. His name is the edition so I'm not real surprised it is what it is. But there are no guarantees they will take that special sauce and give it to you for free on other trims. We think it's possible but it's speculation only.

Are you planning to race the car professionally? What are you realistically going to do with the car? Are either of these things that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things? I'd say not they aren't, Bo Diddly. You mention warranty. One this an all Japanese product, made there. The engine and drivetrain well developed already. And this is the tuner's class. Very much in line with the EVO and STi. People mod. From light to extreme. People are going to mod these cars big time, so what you're talking about is largely and completely irrelevant. Unless you are racing on a circuit for money in some "stock only" class I don't see what the big deal is. That's why I said "flex". You are not going to race this car professionally so the only other possible reason is the flex, having to have the top trim, etc etc as I said above. Or say in 2 MY's, they add this stuff. You really going to make that big of a deal out if when you've had your car for 2 years, and owe five figures less than someone buying the car then, and they paid an increase in cost?

Do what you need to do. I find it all hilarious. For 7k, or 11k it doesn't mean jack. I'd get a car and be happy provided you can do MSRP only. The bitching and whining I'm reading in multiple places is This is exactly why manus give up making performance variants. The complaining. "I want the 50k crap on the cheap deal for 37k." Warranty ninny, just keep it stock then.

[4S-TURBO]

[godfather2112]

I think chanomatik was just asking a simple question out of curiosity, nothing more and nothing less. Thinks it's a fairly reasonable question to ask "given gearing and power differences, what are your reasons for not going with ME?"

Pre - your reasonings are valid as to why. But man, it's moderately like you took it as him attacking you? It was just a very neutral question out of curiosity.

I appreciate your passion for the last of ICE enthusiast cars, it will be a sad day when it's over. But for many, it's just a car that will be fun to drive and most likely won't keep it long term like you. There are plenty of people who don't want to modify for numerous reasons, whether it be warranty related or living in states that are cracking down on even a basic ECU reflash. I think it's a valid question / want for people to ask for a CE with the different gear ratio and tune. Hell, I want an M2 with the new engine, old body design and DCT. It won't happen but it's fine to wish for things without being lambasted for it.

[Pre]

The complaining is epic in many places. Nobody called anyone a name. We actually get a Japanese rally car for the road, priced decently, and complaining. People are complaining about the interior. Complaining it doesn't have cooled seats. Complaining about the cloth seats. Complaining the lower trims don't get the super special track edition features. "This sucks, why doesn't the Circuit get the Morizo torque, seats" blah blah.

I'm just tired of reading it. We are lucky to be getting anything at all. Wanting track edition stuffs when you'll never do a track day, and you want it for the lower priced trim, etc. I'll just see why way out of the thread permanently.

[Pre]

The complaining is epic in many places. Nobody called anyone a name. We actually get a Japanese rally car for the road, priced decently, and complaining. People are complaining about the interior. Complaining it doesn’t have cooled seats. Complaining about the cloth seats. Complaining the lower trims don’t get the super special track edition features. “This sucks, why doesn’t the Circuit get the Morizo torque, seats” blah blah.

I’m just tired of reading it. We are lucky to be getting anything at all. Wanting track edition stuffs when you’ll never do a track day, and you want it for the lower priced trim, etc. I’ll just see why way out of the thread permanently.

[Russ_G93]

For me its all about size/goodies relative to Price. If im going to buy more of a mid-sized Euro-Saloon car, then i'd probably at least get infotainment and leather, but thats high 40s to low 60s market now. For a Japanese turbo Econo-box? No way was I going to pay more than 40k -Its not the same quality of creature comforts and interior materials. But I totally get why people would, some folks are more about the OEM goodies vs those that like to tinker and do the aftermarket stuff. I actually think it completely depends on how you grew up, what kind of cars your parents had etc, but thats probably a diff convo.

[heavyD]

Originally Posted by godfather2112

My biggest car regret, selling my 2017 M2.

Yeah I miss my 2018 M2 but it would have had a difficult time getting up the driveway in the winter at my new place so it's more miss than regret for me. I would love to get back into one if I can swing enough space to store a seasonal car.

[chanomatik]

Yeah, it's not like I was asking for a different part from another, higher trim to make its way down to the lower trim. That's just stupid.

But asking for the same engine and transmission upgrades to be implemented on all available models for the FIRST year of a performance vehicle seems like a reasonable ask to me when they're all the same engine and transmission.

I would've preferred an "I don't know", but I guess I'll go with the typical "You're a whiny baby" retort instead. Feels like home at this point.

[SubaDuba420]

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