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Old 01-17-2020, 04:19 PM   #1
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Have a Nice Day? What is the best spring/coilover for WRX VA that $1000 can buy in 2020?

Hi Fam,

I'm on a mission making my subie sits flush and handling like a go cart (not really but you get the point). I wonder which suspension mods/coilovers are relevant and worth the money in 2020.


For my wheels and tires setup, I bought a set of RPF1 18x9.5 +38 for $1,150 with Michellin PS4. I haven't purchased the tires, still considering alternative options.


For my brakes setup, I'm still researching but I might go with RR-Racing. They are Wilwoods. Nice huh!
https://www.rr-racing.com/Front-Big-...swrxfbk011.htm

Suspension is where it gives me headache. I want to lower my car but also don't want sacrifice any performance or even gain it (is it too much to ask?). My research strictly relies on reading and visual on internet. My field experience is very limited. I drove on a blisten + swift spring setup on an EVO X and a KW on an a new RS which both felt good. As far as my research goes, my options can fall into $, $$, $$$. I live in SoCal so salt and cold weather doesn't really effect me much. My car only see snow when I go to Big Bear or Mt High for snowboarding in the season but that's it. With no further ado let consider my options:

$: <$1000. BC Racing, ISC. I heard mix reviews about them that were mostly... bad. I might be wrong but buying these will cost more money in the long run since I have to rebuild them more often. Also the ride quality is a step down from my stock setup. Where a lot of people suggested Swift Spring for alternative route for lowering but I'm not sure if it will lessen my ride quality compares to a full coilover setup or even stock setup.

$$: $1000 - $2000. Fortune Auto 500, HKS, GReddyXKW, FEAL, KW.
I like the KW but they are fairly expensive and I might need to buy hats and camber plates for them which will increase the cost even higher.
https://www.subispeed.com/kw-coilove...B#.XiINKv5KiUl
Fortune Auto 500 is my best option at the moment. It has everything. With Swift Spring upgrade, their price comes close to KW but with camber plates. They are not as famous as KW but because Dustin William ran it and he's cool, you know?
I don't know much about FEAL but MS Emilia is currently building a subie with them so I'm assume it's not bad?! I believe she named the subie Sun Fire and broke the stock engine with Nitro first day owning it.

$$$: >$2000. Ohlins. Because ... it's Ohlins. Why not? Because it is $2,500 plus tax.
https://www.cobbtuning.com/products/...rs-wrx-and-sti

I know some hardcore bois on here custom their suspension like those GWORX and it's really cool. I might look into those if I have to but I prefer something with warranty and plug to play.

Is there anyone here has experience with one that can lower, improve daily comfort driving, and able to stiff up for canyon?

Side note: I just got Whiteline rear sway bar last week. I set it at medium stiffness. It's amazing! Can't wait to pair it up with a better suspension.
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Old 01-17-2020, 04:32 PM   #2
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First decide how long your going to keep the car for, 5-7 years, save your shekels and go for the Ohlins. Anything less than that and I doubt you will ever be happy with the results.
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Old 01-18-2020, 10:05 AM   #3
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Just a few initial thoughts . . .

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For my brakes setup, I'm still researching but I might go with RR-Racing. They are Wilwoods. Nice huh!
https://www.rr-racing.com/Front-Big-...swrxfbk011.htm
What, exactly, do you want here? If it's primarily a matter of stopping power and this is for street driving only (no road course running), you really don't need to do anything more than run pads that have better 'bite' and feature a higher temperature rating. Something like Carbotech AX-6 or G-loc R6 ought to be enough. They probably will create more dust (like most pads with stronger bite than OE) and you may get a little noise from time to time, but those pads are among the least abrasive among pads that are a clear step above OE and mass-market OE replacement pads as far as rotor wear rates are concerned.


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Suspension is where it gives me headache. I want to lower my car but also don't want sacrifice any performance or even gain it (is it too much to ask?).
I'm going to make a "less is more" suggestion as far as the amount of lowering is concerned. There's a reason that at the OE level, cars fitted with the company's top handling package options are not lowered more than about 20 mm relative to the base-suspension versions of the same cars. Think in terms of ride comfort and actual suspension geometry. And bumpsteer, which lowering tends to exaggerate. FWIW, bumpsteer has more to do with suspension movement than just what hitting a bump in the road probably makes you think.

I know that lowering looks "race car-ish". But lowering by itself does not improve cornering and handling by as much as it changes the car's appearance and what that only suggests.

There is clear benefit in having adjustable damping. Run it softer for the majority of your street driving and dial it up when you're heading out for an autocross, or a track day, or some canyon running.

Ride height adjustability is far less useful unless you're going to get involved with cornerweighting your car (to make the left vs right cornering behaviors closer to "symmetrical").

As for the spring rates themselves, I'm not sure. Don't know what the OE spring rates are to even make a sensible comparison. But I can tell you that ride harshness tends to be more of a damping issue (shocks & struts) than about the spring rate. That said, the damping for stiffer springs may have less room between damping that's not enough and damping that's too much. At least on typical streets that aren't race track smooth.


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Old 01-18-2020, 03:38 PM   #4
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Having experienced more suspension setups and options than a majority of people I can easily say to keep saving your pennies and up your budget. There is nothing in the $1000 or less class that will last, and make you happy.
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Old 01-20-2020, 12:10 PM   #5
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Are you doing track days? Stock brakes with pads, fluid, and cheap Porsche ducts have worked well on autox days with two drivers and heaps of runs. Throw that brake caliper money at the suspension and tires.
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Old 01-20-2020, 03:10 PM   #6
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First decide how long your going to keep the car for, 5-7 years, save your shekels and go for the Ohlins. Anything less than that and I doubt you will ever be happy with the results.
The more I read, the more I root for Ohlins. I'm looking for a way to justify whether or not should I spend this money on my new hobby. I will keep the car as long as the new FA STI becomes more mature. Says 2024 at least. Hopefully the new chassis will be VA transferable.

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Just a few initial thoughts . . .
It will see mostly street and for sure AutoX in the future. The OE brakes on the street is fine. But on the high speed events, meh. I'm all ears to other options to improve braking power. I have no idea about those pads. How do they perform in AutoX?

Corner balancing is something that I really interest in. With that being said, Fortune Auto might be the one for me. Hmm


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Having experienced more suspension setups and options than a majority of people I can easily say to keep saving your pennies and up your budget. There is nothing in the $1000 or less class that will last, and make you happy.
As much as a money oriented person, I find your suggestion really true. Heard good things about TiC for a very long time I wonder what are you suggesting FA20 people these days for suspension.

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Are you doing track days? Stock brakes with pads, fluid, and cheap Porsche ducts have worked well on autox days with two drivers and heaps of runs. Throw that brake caliper money at the suspension and tires.
Track virgin here but I do practice and pushing it in closed private property. I plan doing track when I have my new suspension and tires setup. What tires and suspension are you running?

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Old 01-20-2020, 03:35 PM   #7
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It will see mostly street and for sure AutoX in the future. The OE brakes on the street is fine. But on the high speed events, meh. I'm all ears to other options to improve braking power. I have no idea about those pads. How do they perform in AutoX?
The 6 level pads will be fine for autocross. 8's might be do-able as well, and ought to be enough for the novice level at HPDE. Much past that, I think you'd want at least 10's.


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Old 01-20-2020, 03:56 PM   #8
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For brakes, I 2nd Norm's thoughts on the lack of need for a BBK. A good set of pads and fluid will cover it for you. In addition to his recommendations, Ferodo DS2500 is a good common choice for a sporty pad that can take some abuse. If/when you move to HPDE track driving, you may want a dedicated track pad.

For suspension, I would recommend taking a deep breath and doing some research on exactly what you need. Go for rides on as much as you can...see if you feel like Ohlins are worth the money.

Also remember, after sale support and technical knowledge is super important. Very expensive coilovers can suck if they're not set up well and not every shop actually knows suspension. TIC, RCE, MachV, and a few others have all been around a long time and know a thing or two about shocks. They can help you set things up after you buy whatever you end up with.
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Old 01-20-2020, 04:26 PM   #9
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More money generally gives you a wider useful range for suspension. For example, the inexpensive Koni's on my Porsche are quite good on track but awful on the street regardless of how you adjust them. The Ohlin's on my WRX are quite impressive comfort-wise given the spring rates. Super easy to set up as there is only one knob to twist. Only a few clicks difference between the optimal setting for smooth track, rough parking lot autox, and street. They'd also do quite well if you didn't adjust anything. But, at the extremes (winter on awful new england roads), a two way would be nice - I might be too picky though.

You can get the Ohlins a little cheaper if you look around - $2300ish. They do need rebuilt every 30-40k mi which is an additional $1k.

Figure out if you want set it and forget it or the primary purpose is street (Ohlins) or if you like to tinker or the primary purpose is track (KW 2 way for example).

Interestingly, PS4S tires were perfect with the stock struts/springs. With the Ohlins, they actually became the weak link due to the soft sidewalls. RE71s will be next for me.

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Old 01-21-2020, 11:20 AM   #10
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if you're interested in autox or rallyx, start participating NOW with your stock car in the stock classes. that will give you a better idea to direct your mod choices and which class said mods would land you in.

i'll also add a few caveats:
want better brakes? get better tires. also, totally agree with Norm that a BBK is overkill. better pads and brake fluid goes a long way.

with suspension, you typically get what you paid for.
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