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Old 07-01-2019, 08:17 AM   #1
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Default The 2022 BMW i4 Could Be the Tesla Model 3's Biggest Threat Yet

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...-electric-car/

BMW is working on an electric sedan called the i4 that will be a competitor to the Tesla Model 3.
Based on the same platform as the 3-series and 4-series, the i4 will likely have two electric motors providing all-wheel drive and an electric driving range of up to 350 miles.
Look for the i4 to arrive in 2021 with a starting price around $50,000.
The upcoming BMW i4 is a fully electric sports sedan, a low-slung four-door fitted with one or two motors. It promises to be the closest competitor yet to the Tesla Model 3, with the added benefit of having the build quality of a seasoned carmaker.

The i4 won't get its own EV platform: but will instead be based on the 3-/4-series' underpinnings known as the Cluster Architecture, or CLAR. While a one-motor version is conceivable, we expect the i4 to have two motors providing standard all-wheel drive. Expect BMW to offer several power and price levels. The largest battery should last about 350 miles between charges and put up zero-to-60 times in the four-second range. Top speed will likely be governed at a low 125 mph to save juice.

The Bavarians were wide of the mark with their last attempt to jump-start the EV era. Both of BMW's carbon-fiber battery-powered early adopters, the lunchbox i3 and the plug-in i8 pseudo-supercar, were very cool but a little too weird for most people. With premium appeal, practicality, and affordability, the i4 will attempt to put BMW back on track. Spy photos of the i4 show a fairly conventional shape similar to that of the current 4-series Gran Coupe, and the styling will be inspired by the i Vision Dynamics concept from 2017.

Set to arrive in 2021 as a 2022 model, the i4 is likely to start around $50,000.
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Old 07-01-2019, 11:46 AM   #2
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So they announced this at the same news conference where they said EV's were "bull****"?
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Old 11-19-2019, 07:40 AM   #3
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Default New BMW i4: Tesla Model 3 rival to produce 523bhp




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New BMW i4: Tesla Model 3 rival to produce 523bhp

However, a side-on view reveals that the new car appears higher off the ground (both in terms of roof height and ground clearance) than the current 4 Series, likely due to a raised floor to accommodate the sizeable long-range battery.


Earlier this year, BMW revealed that the i4 had been tested at its cold weather facility in Arjeplog, Sweden, with the goal of determining the durability of the models' batteries, electric motors and suspension systems.


The i4 is scheduled to be built on the same line as standard 3 Series models at BMW's factory in Munich, Germany. To ensure a smooth production process with existing petrol, diesel and hybrid models, the manufacturer is already running assembly tests with pre-production versions.

The expansion of the i sub-brand follows a ruling by the EU to enforce a fleet average CO2 emission reduction of 35% by 2030. The ruling effectively spells an end to the combustion engine as a sole source of propulsion for high-volume cars sold in Europe by the end of the next decade.

This was expected by BMWs top management, who initiated the acceleration of development of both long-range plug-in hybrids and electric models in a board meeting held earlier this year. Speaking to Autocar at the 2018 Paris motor show, chairman Harald Krger confirmed the altered i division plan, which aims to enable BMW to offer more electric cars than any rival premium brand in the short term.

It calls for the introduction of up to five dedicated i models by the end of 2021, with tentative steps to expand to 12 electric models within the whole BMW Group, including Mini and Rolls-Royce, by 2025.
Krger has also given the green light for 25 new plug-in hybrid models to be introduced by 2025 in order to meet the 2030 target.


Among the models at the centre of BMWs electrification strategy are a further developed version of the continuously evolving i3, the Mini SE, the iX3 and the i4. BMW will follow that with a more advanced range of premium electric cars employing solid-state batteries and autonomous driving features, previewed on the recent iNext concept car.

Talking about the i4, Krger said: The leading factors that will set it apart are fantastic design, which is very different to anything else on the road, and the fact that it is lighter and therefore more dynamic than anything we see on the market today, thanks to the materials we will use. Couple that with the connectivity technology we are constantly developing and we are confident it will lead the market.


BMW's electric revolution begins in the sales charts

BMWs sales of electrified models have increased rapidly in the past two years. In January 2017, it registered 5232 plug-in vehicles globally, but that figure had more than doubled to 13,271 by December. The company registered on average more than 10,000 electrified models per month in 2018.

These registrations are more significant viewed as a percentage of BMWs total sales figures. In January 2017, this was an unremarkable 3.2%, but in August 2018, it was 6.7%. Surprisingly, the most popular plug-in BMW Group model in 2017 was the i3 a car that has been in showrooms since 2013 and failed to meet targets for many of its years on sale.

A total of 31,482 were registered in 2017, nearly double the number in 2014. Despite this, BMW still has a long way to go to achieve its 2020 target of 500,000 electrified vehicles sold annually.
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Old 11-19-2019, 09:40 AM   #4
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I'm skeptical they can pull off a competitive product (competitive in more than one area) without a dedicated platform.
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Old 11-19-2019, 01:46 PM   #5
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It will appeal to the current 3/4'ers who want electric. But it won't pull the people who want to show the world how green they are (see Prius vs. others).
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Will it require a reoccurring charge for using Apple CarPlay?

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Old 11-19-2019, 02:42 PM   #7
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during the smartphone boom every phone makers come up with their own to rival the iPhone and the press called every single one of those "the iPhone killer"
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during the smartphone boom every phone makers come up with their own to rival the iPhone and the press called every single one of those "the iPhone killer"
Ugh, I dont believe the comment above is factually correct. There was one Chinese company, Xiamoi that made that claim.

The article also doesnt call the i4 a killer.
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Ugh, I don’t believe the comment above is factually correct. There was one Chinese company, Xiamoi that made that claim.

The article also doesn’t call the i4 a killer.
Oh please. There were hundreds of articles in 2010-2013 timeframe talking about the latest "iphone killer"

https://bgr.com/2015/03/27/iphone-vs...vs-blackberry/

https://fortune.com/2013/01/04/black...-killer-leaks/

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Old 11-19-2019, 04:27 PM   #10
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Oh please. There were hundreds of articles in 2010-2013 timeframe talking about the latest "iphone killer"

https://bgr.com/2015/03/27/iphone-vs...vs-blackberry/

https://fortune.com/2013/01/04/black...-killer-leaks/

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Journalist are calling it an iPhone killer, not the manufacturer.

Edit: apparently I’m not good at multi-tasking and just noticed you said press. For some reason I though you meant manufacturers were calling it that. My bad, carry on
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Old 11-19-2019, 05:15 PM   #11
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yea but the iphone was actually useful. No one needs an electric car.
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LOL this electirc car thing is NOT going to catch on. Deisel 4evr!
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yea but the iphone was actually useful. No one needs an electric car.
No one needs a fuel injected engine -> no one needs a carburetor engine -> the automobile wont last.

See how that slippery slope tends to go?


Also, if were being technical, Samsung has the highest total global market share while usually being several years ahead if not 4-5 ahead of Apple. I use Apple so Im not biased but people thinking that 1 person who created the market keeps their dominance long term will continue to be proven wrong.
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Can't imagine this will be truly competitive with the model3 given this. It will likely have either reduced range, or poor COG because they're going to have to shove batteries into random locations.
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Can't imagine this will be truly competitive with the model3 given this. It will likely have either reduced range, or poor COG because they're going to have to shove batteries into random locations.
What if the new chassis was already designed to fit EV batteries similar to the Kona. Im sure well find out more but Id be surprised if they just attempt to Jerry rig a chassis that wasnt future planned for EV. Could be wrong, dem Germans are nutters.
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It's going to be a flop. If BMW wants to truly best Tesla it's gotta go all in. Any half ass effort is going to fail. Just ask Nissan and it's Leaf. Also, BMW needs to stop producing crap that falls apart, if they want any kind of long term loyality. Right now they may get one sale, but after they burn that customers with their POS. It's over for future sales. BMW reliablity is a joke, it's worse than Fiat.

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What if the new chassis was already designed to fit EV batteries similar to the Kona. Im sure well find out more but Id be surprised if they just attempt to Jerry rig a chassis that wasnt future planned for EV. Could be wrong, dem Germans are nutters.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_CLAR_platform

Based on the cars riding on the platform, I'd guess not. It might easily accommodate them, but unless it's a dedicated platform it'll always be compromised. Even if they squish it all in there, it'll be expensive. VW tried to do it with the e-golf, then they got serious and developed the ID.3 and found serious cost savings.
https://insideevs.com/news/383004/volkswagen-id3-cheaper-to-build-e-golf/amp/
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2022 and The model 3 performance already makes 520hp with the latest update
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But white BMW.
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2022 and The model 3 performance already makes 520hp with the latest update
Do you think BMW can just start pumping these out over night? Remind me again how Tesla hit their projected manufacturing and delivery dates.

Oh wait a second...
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Most of the brand new EV launches have been delayed. Tesla may have screwed up badly but there have been plenty of problems with the Etron and Ipace. I think Taycan deliveries were just delayed too.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-kill...o-their-names/
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Most of the brand new EV launches have been delayed. Tesla may have screwed up badly but there have been plenty of problems with the Etron and Ipace. I think Taycan deliveries were just delayed too.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-kill...o-their-names/
https://electrek.co/2019/11/20/porsc...uction-delays/

exactly
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