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Old 07-31-2014, 04:41 PM   #101
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I just searched and only see my real-world findings confirmed. The M5 traps low-mid 120's and the Tesla traps 110. What am I missing?
The published 1/4 mile times? Yes, the M5 has more speed and is better from a rolling start, but the Tesla has 0-10 MPH TQ that would be similar to what a 4wd system can add to a standing start 1/4.
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Old 07-31-2014, 04:43 PM   #102
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I just searched and only see my real-world findings confirmed. The M5 traps low-mid 120's and the Tesla traps 110. What am I missing?
Trap speed doesn't equal 1/4 mile time......
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Old 07-31-2014, 04:43 PM   #103
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Yes, but costs 120K for the P85+. It can't compete in that price range. I have always said I like it - but only at 50% of the price.
You and I agree that pricing is stiff.
But, I'm sure I'd also like an M5 at 50% of the price as well .
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Old 07-31-2014, 04:55 PM   #104
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The published 1/4 mile times? Yes, the M5 has more speed and is better from a rolling start, but the Tesla has 0-10 MPH TQ that would be similar to what a 4wd system can add to a standing start 1/4.
Just looked at MT and C&D - M5 showing quicker by 0.5 sec and faster by 10-13MPH in trap. In the real world, that is huge, especially the trap - feels like a completely different league, and it is.

My point is that little lies that aren't refuted end up being accepted as fact - add up all the lies and the Tesla gets the Kool-Aid following that it has.

It is a fine car, for a battery-powered Camry or Avalon competitor. But to discuss the Model S as a competitor to an M5 or E63, or RS7, or anything in the 100K up area is ridiculous.

Chop the price 50% and it would kick ass, which is what it seems like they want to do with this Model III.
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Old 07-31-2014, 05:08 PM   #105
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Just looked at MT and C&D - M5 showing quicker by 0.5 sec and faster by 10-13MPH in trap. In the real world, that is huge, especially the trap - feels like a completely different league, and it is.
This MT article??

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._verification/
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Old 07-31-2014, 05:22 PM   #106
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This one...
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...3_bmw_m5_test/

The other was R&T not C&D - March/April of this year, Euro sedan comparo - didn't find link on their site - have the hard-copy.

Plus, of course, my real-world experience, which, sadly, is worthless.
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Old 07-31-2014, 05:33 PM   #107
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the future of drag racing belongs to the electric car


1250 ft/lbs of torque in a tiny package
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Old 07-31-2014, 07:08 PM   #108
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I'm missing the part where the Tesla III or any Tesla competes with anything here....
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Old 07-31-2014, 09:19 PM   #109
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I'm missing the part where the Tesla III or any Tesla competes with anything here....
I'm sick of propaganda winning the day - felt the need to refute just 1 of the many misconceptions about the much revered Model S. Seems like a silly argument because it is - half a second and 10 mph... But every misconception about this car makes popular opinion of it grow exponentially. What is reality when every aspect has been inflated? Comfort/luxury/range/performance/value/environmental impact/etc.

My neighbors have been in on this musical chairs stunt for 10 years and I have been kept up to date. I never believed they would achieve what they have (stock price), and at this point, neither can they - they keep laughing all the way to the bank, as Google-glass wearing Palo Altons finance these things... In the end, when image is society's foremost value, perception becomes reality, and by default, ignorance prevails. Capex=growth, right? New normal...
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Old 07-31-2014, 09:28 PM   #110
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Thing is, I have always heard the Model S compared against a 5 series in general. The M5 comparison is a new one to me.
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Old 08-01-2014, 01:28 PM   #111
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I try to stay away from Tesla threads due to the Kool-Aid, but can't resist this one, as it is simply not factual.

No Tesla can even come close to an M5 in the 1/4. 0-40 MPH is the only place the Tesla has a chance. I know because I live in the most highly concentrated Tesla area in the world, and have an M5. Even my X5 is faster than the Tesla from a roll.
I hadn't looked at the numbers.. I've just seen these:



I suppose you could argue that Elon bribed these folks.

As for "faster [...] from a roll."
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Old 08-01-2014, 02:04 PM   #112
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I hadn't looked at the numbers.. I've just seen these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RRJsUSi6rk

Tesla Model S vs BMW M5 Drag Race - YouTube

I suppose you could argue that Elon bribed these folks.

As for "faster [...] from a roll."
Or you could simply watch the video and note that:
1) Host states 0-100 MPH, 2 out of 3 times, not 1/4 mile
2) M5 was going much faster than the Tesla at the end
3) Tesla jumped the start
4) M5 had no traction on the 1-2 shift - TC off?

And the mag tests confirm 0.5 secs and 10mph difference in the 1/4. Just not in the same league.

Love how the host also casually mentions 300 miles of range, again simply not true.

The truth about the performance is actually impressive - it bothers me that they feel the need to lie. Just say it stacks up well with many standard V8 sedans but is priced quite a bit higher, and needs to be charged.
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Old 08-01-2014, 03:39 PM   #113
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When Tesla S is on NŁrburgring, other cars pay attention. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJT4OtufDss
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Old 08-01-2014, 04:21 PM   #114
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Back on track.

This is not the Model S thread, take the Model S talk there.
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Old 08-01-2014, 04:21 PM   #115
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Or you could simply watch the video and note that:
1) Host states 0-100 MPH, 2 out of 3 times, not 1/4 mile
2) M5 was going much faster than the Tesla at the end
3) Tesla jumped the start
4) M5 had no traction on the 1-2 shift - TC off?

And the mag tests confirm 0.5 secs and 10mph difference in the 1/4. Just not in the same league.
I'm pretty sure you already established this. I was just letting you know where I was coming from. So sorry to have bunched your panties.

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Love how the host also casually mentions 300 miles of range, again simply not true.
You are just a ray of sunshine. Don't confuse EPA range with achievable range under optimal conditions. The 85kw Model S can do 300 miles if driven with range in mind (ie: low speeds and acceleration, no A/C, etc). It obviously can't pull that off while drag racing. EPA range is conservative and based on a 5-cycle mixed driving test.

The Model S was rated at 320 miles on the old 2-cycle EPA test.
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Old 08-01-2014, 04:37 PM   #116
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I'm pretty sure you already established this. I was just letting you know where I was coming from. So sorry to have bunched your panties.

You are just a ray of sunshine. Don't confuse EPA range with achievable range under optimal conditions. The 85kw Model S can do 300 miles if driven with range in mind (ie: low speeds and acceleration, no A/C, etc). It obviously can't pull that off while drag racing. EPA range is conservative and based on a 5-cycle mixed driving test.

The Model S was rated at 320 miles on the old 2-cycle EPA test.
1st part: I didn't read it that way and apologize - just want facts to rule discussion.

2nd part: See the link in mhoward's post #105. One of a few range tests that have been done. another mag did one from LA to SF... Again, the results are impressive, no need to lie.
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Old 08-01-2014, 06:38 PM   #117
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When Tesla S is on NŁrburgring, other cars pay attention. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJT4OtufDss

I always laugh when I see the center display in the model s. It looks like someone is doing a build in the tesla motors website on an iPad.


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Old 05-25-2015, 05:55 PM   #118
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http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/05/tes...images-emerge/

I thought it was going to look like this \/ .

Do not want any more....

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Old 05-25-2015, 06:44 PM   #119
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Those are all fanboi concepts. Don't let them deter you.
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Old 05-25-2015, 07:04 PM   #120
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Like a volvo and an i3 had a retarded baby. They also severely underestimated the stats.
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Old 05-25-2015, 07:15 PM   #121
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No real news or solid information.
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Old 05-25-2015, 07:29 PM   #122
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No real news or solid information.
+1.

Until it is on the official Tesla Motors website, someone is seriously desperate if they think that is even close.
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Old 05-25-2015, 08:16 PM   #123
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That looks ****ing atrocious. Those rims, all of it, nope.
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Old 05-25-2015, 08:48 PM   #124
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That looks ****ing atrocious. Those rims, all of it, nope.
THAT can always be changed out. I have no idea why anyone even cares when you can just BUY different ones. Everything else, yeah, you can't really change so I can understand that at least. Seriously, if they don't look anything like DODGE NEON wheel covers, color me happy.

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Old 05-25-2015, 11:04 PM   #125
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Hey. Guys. It's just an "artist's conception." No one knows what it's going to look like yet. Don't feed the crappy car rags with your traffic.
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