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Old 10-09-2019, 09:30 PM   #451
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My 2017 Z06/Z07 is M7.

Unless you don’t like rowing through smooth gears with a very short shifter and butter soft clutch that really does grab well, you’ll probably love driving that beast.

Coming from a heavily modified 2014 STi, it’s another galaxy of love.

Let me know if I can help you in any way

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It’s definitely on the radar, specifically the Z06. I’m watching the prices. No paddles though. 7spd manual or not interested. I also want to see the changes to the Voodoo for the 2019 MY...... if it solves some/all of the issues with that motor. My friends in banking state a recession is looming and coming so will be the perfect time to strike.
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:34 PM   #452
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Pre's on a rampage today. I became one of his targets because I confused him with someone else, so I made the original mistake. Don't think I said anything that was personal so I am not sure why the response is, but I can deal with it for a while.
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In truth no manufacturer will care what you (or any one like you) cares about because you don't buy new. They see no profit in anything you purchase, so you are at the mercy of what the general public is willing to buy. Your Dollar has no voting power.
You put the glass and crosshairs on me. All I did was fire back buddy. Go look in the mirror.
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Old 10-15-2019, 03:24 PM   #453
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ďThe quickest factory Corvette ever is the new base model with a sport package."

"Severe understeer will help prevent overeager owners from pulling a Mustang exit at their local cars and coffee."

MotorTrend's exclusive first test of the C8: https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chev...t-test-review/

The Z51 model they tested (wearing the stock Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires) did 0-60 mph in 2.8 seconds, ran the quarter mile in 11.1 seconds at 123.2 mph, and pulled 1.04 average lateral g on the skidpad. Sounds like it's a Strano front swaybar and a set of the sticky tires du jour away from being a riot on your local autox course.

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Old 10-15-2019, 03:31 PM   #454
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At a $90k price tag that's one expensive sport package. Still a bargain for the performance but the $60k launch price was a little deceptive. I know a lot of people will complain about the understeer dialed in but GM is probably going to save a few lives by erring on the side of caution.
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Old 10-15-2019, 03:41 PM   #455
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At a $90k price tag that's one expensive sport package. Still a bargain for the performance but the $60k launch price was a little deceptive. I know a lot of people will complain about the understeer dialed in but GM is probably going to save a few lives by erring on the side of caution.
People also need to understand what the Vette tax is, and you can bet on GM charging more to work on this thing because "mid engine" than the past Vette taxes.
60k was simply click bait. The good news for the patient, GM vehicles always depreciate so time will pay dividends. I know this will take a while with an all new model but patience is your $ friend.
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Old 10-15-2019, 03:56 PM   #456
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At a $90k price tag that's one expensive sport package. Still a bargain for the performance but the $60k launch price was a little deceptive. I know a lot of people will complain about the understeer dialed in but GM is probably going to save a few lives by erring on the side of caution.
To be fair I think you can get the all the z51 options on the car for less than $70k.
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Old 10-15-2019, 06:12 PM   #457
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$90k is fully loaded almost everything.

$70-75k is more of the sweat spot. Check the build site.
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People also need to understand what the Vette tax is, and you can bet on GM charging more to work on this thing because "mid engine" than the past Vette taxes.
60k was simply click bait. The good news for the patient, GM vehicles always depreciate so time will pay dividends. I know this will take a while with an all new model but patience is your $ friend.
Say it with me, warranty.
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Old 10-15-2019, 07:35 PM   #459
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The good news for the patient, GM vehicles always depreciate so time will pay dividends.
Or just wait until the annual Rocktoberfest discount days at your local Chevy dealer to take advantage of $15k off sticker and 0% for 60 months.
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Old 10-15-2019, 09:36 PM   #460
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Say it with me, warranty.
Meh. If itís in for warranty a bunch of times, even getting fixed for free, itís still a PITA. And warranty isnít routine maintenance which will be more expensive.

Smart money, wait and watch the suckers spend their money first. Matt Farrah is already complaining about several things with the car.
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Old 10-15-2019, 11:28 PM   #461
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Meh. If it’s in for warranty a bunch of times, even getting fixed for free, it’s still a PITA. And warranty isn’t routine maintenance which will be more expensive.

Smart money, wait and watch the suckers spend their money first. Matt Farrah is already complaining about several things with the car.
What is he complaining about (haven’t read)? Only review I’ve seen from
Farrah he seemed to love it. It could have a lot of problems year 1 or it could have very few to none. Regarding routine maintenance. Oil changes are what? Every 5k? Transmission, diff 60k+. Brakes no different than any other performance car.

Tires will be expensive and that’s the only real maintenance issue I see being expensive.
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Meh. If itís in for warranty a bunch of times, even getting fixed for free, itís still a PITA. And warranty isnít routine maintenance which will be more expensive.

Smart money, wait and watch the suckers spend their money first. Matt Farrah is already complaining about several things with the car.
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So his complaints are that an $85k corvette doesnít have the same materials and on street steering quality has cars 2x-4x more expensive (P car and Mclaren) than the corvette yet still above the BMW M2.

The horror.

Car seems pretty ****ing legit for $85k.
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Old 10-16-2019, 04:19 PM   #464
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Car seems pretty ****ing legit for $85k.
It is. All I was trying to say is it's early days. You'll know the real deal once they are in owners hands, first model year issues, etc. I remember the Z06 C7 first few model years cooling issues. And this is an all new deal with GM so people need to chill and see how it goes first.
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Farrah was pointing out that the plastic shows itís still a GM car, not a complaint, IMO (stating the good and the bad).


A quad-cam 32-valve will be right at home nestled in that engine bay. To hear that car flying down the racetrack and not winding out to a blissfully high redline sounds odd.
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Old 10-17-2019, 11:34 AM   #466
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Farrah was pointing out that the plastic shows itís still a GM car, not a complaint, IMO (stating the good and the bad).


A quad-cam 32-valve will be right at home nestled in that engine bay. To hear that car flying down the racetrack and not winding out to a blissfully high redline sounds odd.
I agree, a torquy V8 is great, but does not scream exotic like a mid engine car should. The thing is you do not need a DOHC to get revs, but I suppose they need it to for the variability it offers and tunability for low RPM emissions. I am all in favor of it! Bring on a 7800 RPM flat crank Vette!
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I agree, a torquy V8 is great, but does not scream exotic like a mid engine car should. The thing is you do not need a DOHC to get revs, but I suppose they need it to for the variability it offers and tunability for low RPM emissions. I am all in favor of it! Bring on a 7800 RPM flat crank Vette!
That would be cool. I also think a reworked 9k RPM 425 hp LGX screamer in the middle would be fun to wring out. Chevy could use it in a future smaller and much lighter bodied Camaro.
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Hopefully the Z06 or ZR1 come with a lower displacement, forced induction revving out to 8500.

Doubtful but hopeful
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Eh.

I think it's awesome that Chevy took their own path, doing what they do, instead of trying to create a cheap version of an exotic.
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Eh.

I think it's awesome that Chevy took their own path, doing what they do, instead of trying to create a cheap version of an exotic.
Yeah, but would they had Ford not made the GT?
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Eh.

I think it's awesome that Chevy took their own path, doing what they do, instead of trying to create a cheap version of an exotic.
True. And it is usable power through almost the entire rpm range.

I guess when we get lap numbers we can decide if it matters or not. Realistically, I donít think so. Hell, 99.9% of these will likely never see the track. The current redline is plenty for the street.
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Farrah was pointing out that the plastic shows it’s still a GM car, not a complaint, IMO (stating the good and the bad).


A quad-cam 32-valve will be right at home nestled in that engine bay. To hear that car flying down the racetrack and not winding out to a blissfully high redline sounds odd.
That video was so strange. He was practically orgasming while driving it around the track then after spending time talking to the R&T drivers and spending time on the road you got the feeling he thought the car was just okay and nothing special. The comment about the $60k version being a waste of time and that the $85k version is minimum tells me that those cars will be looked at like the 2009 WRX as improvements are made over the years as it seems like the Supra the car isn't a finished product in its initial state.
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Maybe an exhaust tuned for the modified exhaust pulses would sound a bit better...

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True. And it is usable power through almost the entire rpm range.

I guess when we get lap numbers we can decide if it matters or not. Realistically, I don’t think so. Hell, 99.9% of these will likely never see the track. The current redline is plenty for the street.
At 2.8 seconds 0-60, running to redline on the street seems like an exercise that's not going to be available often on a daily commute.
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At 2.8 seconds 0-60, running to redline on the street seems like an exercise that's not going to be available often on a daily commute.
Are you challenging me, good sir?
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