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Old 10-31-2019, 07:47 AM   #1
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Ford Motor has made it official: it's going to unveil a "Mustang-inspired" electric SUV next month.

"We’ve busted the myth that electric vehicles have to be boring," the automaker says in a statement.

In showing a drawing of the roofline and hints as to the look of the front of the new vehicle – yeah, it sort of looks like the current Mustang – Ford appears to be taking direct aim at electric-car leader Tesla. When it made its debut in 2015, the Tesla Model X luxury electric was anything but boring – especially with its novel gullwing rear doors.

A new Ford electric SUV might help the automaker try to head Tesla off at the pass as it starts production of a new, smaller, lower-priced electric SUV, the Model Y, next year.

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Ford's electric SUV will debut Nov. 17 ahead of the Los Angeles Auto Show. But it is being billed as a reveal that will happen "around the globe," an indication that there may be events in multiple cities, just as the automaker did when it unveiled the next generation of the Mustang sports car in 2015.

It's yet to be seen how Mustang's fans react to the new design, especially whether it alienates Mustang loyalists who have kept the pony-car alive and thriving for 55 years. It's also unclear whether Ford, which is killing off most of its car lines, intends to morph Mustang away from the sports car category and migrate it toward the SUV world. It wouldn't be alone, given how even super-premium brands like Rolls-Royce and Bentley have introduced SUVs that inherit the look and feel of their famous car models.

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Old 10-31-2019, 07:52 AM   #2
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Check out these Ford ‘Mustang-inspired’ electric SUV renders based on leaked CAD files

https://electrek.co/2019/10/30/ford-...ked-cad-files/

Ford Mach 1 Electric SUV Looks Like a Mustang Shooting Brake in New Tease

https://www.motortrend.com/news/ford...angeles-debut/
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Old 10-31-2019, 08:39 AM   #3
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Sorry, Ford. I will not buy a car that looks like the Merc Gle Coupe / BMW X4. Many people also think they look horrendous along with myself. *puke*

You may have a hard sell on your hands if it comes with those looks.

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We all know the Tesla model Y will eat its lunch and be less of a hassle to buy, own and maintain while retaining more resale value.

But Ford has to have a version 1.0 to start with.
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Old 10-31-2019, 11:00 AM   #5
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The sketch looks like a sleek wagon-style profile, while the CAD drawings look to be a Tesla-like blob. Huge disappointment.
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Old 10-31-2019, 11:03 AM   #6
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We all know the Tesla model Y will eat its lunch and be less of a hassle to buy, own and maintain while retaining more resale value.

But Ford has to have a version 1.0 to start with.
I am not sure this is true. Ford knows how to build cars (for the most part), Ford has an extensive dealer network and infrastructure to be able to keep parts in supply. Ford has a huge parts bin to choose from so economies of scale will come into play. They are only competing against the Model Y really and that thing next worldly ugly and has not been a huge success.

Id say they have a chance, but having shown my hand, lets see where the cards fall
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I am not sure this is true. Ford knows how to build cars (for the most part), Ford has an extensive dealer network and infrastructure to be able to keep parts in supply. Ford has a huge parts bin to choose from so economies of scale will come into play. They are only competing against the Model Y really and that thing next worldly ugly and has not been a huge success.

Id say they have a chance, but having shown my hand, lets see where the cards fall
Ford also has dealership lots filled with ICE cars that will compete with it for lot space and sales tactics. Dealers certainly aren't going to be filling their lots with a Mustang inspired electric SUV that they may or may not be able to sell, they'll fill them with F150s and Escapes like they currently do.

I don't see this being any more of a "success" than what the Bolt was.
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Ford also has dealership lots filled with ICE cars that will compete with it for lot space and sales tactics. Dealers certainly aren't going to be filling their lots with a Mustang inspired electric SUV that they may or may not be able to sell, they'll fill them with F150s and Escapes like they currently do.

I don't see this being any more of a "success" than what the Bolt was.
remember though that they are also dropping all of their cars (save the mustang). There are only so many F150s you can sell in a given market before it's supersaturated.
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remember though that they are also dropping all of their cars (save the mustang). There are only so many F150s you can sell in a given market before it's supersaturated.
But Ford is also coming out with the Bronco and baby Bronco. I think the bigger question is how many dealers will be able to sell and support the Mustang CUV EV. Would there be enough sales to add that support? The Bolt requires certified dealers to handle any issues.
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remember though that they are also dropping all of their cars (save the mustang). There are only so many F150s you can sell in a given market before it's supersaturated.
Nobody bought their cars to begin with, they were predominantly fleet sales. It's not like their lots were filled with Fusions, Tauruses, and Focuses prior to the great culling. They were still filled with higher profit margin SUVs and F150s. I don't even know anyone who bought those cars minus the Focus ST/RS, except for my one buddy who got a great deal on a used off-rental Fusion. Everyone else who would be in the target demographic bought an Accord or Camry anyways.

I just don't see this being a success when they have limited lot space, requires an investment into the salespeople from the franchise owner to train them, and the fact that they have a wide variety of other products that will probably make the dealer more money that they'll push you towards.
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Old 10-31-2019, 02:27 PM   #12
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There will be one of these things in the back of the showroom, behind a fully loaded Ranger. And guess what the salesman is going to direct the potential buyer to?

And then the owners will be looking around for a place to charge, crossing their fingers that Electrify America builds something nearby (like Tesla owners were doing 5+ years ago).

Ford needs to really commit to this and I'm not sure they will once it gets into production.

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Old 10-31-2019, 02:43 PM   #13
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Ford needs to really commit to this and I'm not sure they will once it gets into production.
The US really needs to commit to a standard for charging port, same way we have standards for gas fillers before anything else.
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Old 10-31-2019, 02:56 PM   #14
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The US really needs to commit to a standard for charging port, same way we have standards for gas fillers before anything else.
Well I think it's basically CCS and Tesla. Chademo is on borrowed time. Tesla switched to CCS in Europe, but in North America it will probably stay separate.
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They are only competing against the Model Y really and that thing next worldly ugly and has not been a huge success.
Tesla has not released the Model Y.
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Awful idea. The mustang is a great car. It lives in it's own image. Leave it that way. Find a way to design something that will be it's own thing, don't create an electric SUV and pretend it's a mustang.
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I meant model X

Have not seen the Y yet
But my expectations are low of it follows the current design cues

If it looks like that Rivian truck thing it may be ok
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I meant model X

Have not seen the Y yet
But my expectations are low of it follows the current design cues

If it looks like that Rivian truck thing it may be ok
They have already released pictures of the Y. It's just not in production yet. It actually looks OK compared to the rest of their lineup.
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Model Y will be making deliveries in 2020, that's pretty much guaranteed.
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I'm a fan :shrug:
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Get in line. Model Y might break Tesla.
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The Model Y looks leaps and bounds better than the 3. No offense to mode 3 owners, and it’s subjective, but the 3 is so far beyond boring and generic looking that it’s only few redeeming qualities are name brand, mileage, performance (dual motor).

Ford is not a Tesla challenger. Ford buying demographics are either truck owners, CUV / SUV owners who are not really super concerned with being new with flash tech but generic. I think Tesla challengers 2030 years ago there’s lotta conversations that I’ve had rats clearly the fact I think Tesla challengers come from the Audi + dollar range.

I’m also on Maui and fairly intoxicated so I’m not sure I’m saying words.
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