Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Thursday March 28, 2024
Home Forums Images WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Miscellaneous > Off-Topic

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.







* As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. 
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads. 
View Poll Results: What day (or days) is best for you in the points league?
Sunday 27 31.03%
Monday 32 36.78%
Tuesday 23 26.44%
Wednesday 20 22.99%
Thursday 13 14.94%
Friday 19 21.84%
Saturday 34 39.08%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 87. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-06-2012, 08:59 PM   #5401
Zoli007
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 315356
Join Date: Apr 2012
Default

One thing I'd like to add. Through the race with varrying tire srategies playing out, I ended up behind a few of you. Some decided to give me the position without a fight. I would ask that you dont do this. We are racing, its a race, those passes were for position. Hold me up, make it difficult, etc... Dont be a d!ck but dont just give way. Even if you are on your last legs of the tires and Im on fresh tires, it doesn't matter. Run your race, run your line and let the person behind find a way past.

I just prefer a fight, it may end up with some good races. And if you end up making me make a mistake getting around you, thats racing. Again Im not saying to be brutally blocking, but put up a fight.

That being said I had a great race with Wright in the begining and Acey towards the end. Had a lot of fun and it was overall a great race.

Props to Griffin as his formula has created the closest racing we've had!
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Zoli007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Old 11-06-2012, 09:13 PM   #5402
StiLmtd
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 319354
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Central Valley, CA
Vehicle:
2007 Sti Limited
UGM

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoli007
One thing I'd like to add. Through the race with varrying tire srategies playing out, I ended up behind a few of you. Some decided to give me the position without a fight. I would ask that you dont do this. We are racing, its a race, those passes were for position. Hold me up, make it difficult, etc... Dont be a d!ck but dont just give way. Even if you are on your last legs of the tires and Im on fresh tires, it doesn't matter. Run your race, run your line and let the person behind find a way past.

I just prefer a fight, it may end up with some good races. And if you end up making me make a mistake getting around you, thats racing. Again Im not saying to be brutally blocking, but put up a fight.

That being said I had a great race with Wright in the begining and Acey towards the end. Had a lot of fun and it was overall a great race.

Props to Griffin as his formula has created the closest racing we've had!
Good addition. That's the reason why I wait until the last possible moment to give right of way, and if it's given to me, it'll be taken(as to avoid confusion); it is a race after all. Only reason I gave it to liquid on the roundabout was because he actually found a way around me, and I recognized that, so not doing so would have been a dick move, as you put it lol.
StiLmtd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2012, 11:39 PM   #5403
wrightcomputing
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 308679
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Sarasota Florida
Vehicle:
2007 Mazda Rx8
Phantom Blue

Default

Well I have started practicing on the new track and wanted to know what time you guys are getting. I have managed to get into the 2:08's but I have been using the fastest tire wear so maybe I could squeeze into the 2:07's with normal wear.

I like the track much more than the last one but there are a few spots that if you come in a little too hot you are screwed because of the camber on the road and can very easily end up in the grass, especially as your tires wear out. I can get about 5 laps out of the tires now, great for testing how the tires wear :-)
wrightcomputing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-06-2012, 11:44 PM   #5404
Zoli007
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 315356
Join Date: Apr 2012
Default

I've not run anything but Im curious what tire wear mode we will use. I'll work on my setup work with no wear on and then practice tire strategy later.
Zoli007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2012, 12:11 AM   #5405
griffin
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 1387
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: MN
Vehicle:
. 2007 STI Black
2001 S2000 Black

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoli007 View Post
I've not run anything but Im curious what tire wear mode we will use. I'll work on my setup work with no wear on and then practice tire strategy later.
My desire is to use a tire wear setting that is as close to the previous races, I am guessing that is 'Normal'.
griffin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2012, 03:13 PM   #5406
SubaruWRC
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 11063
Join Date: Oct 2001
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: in a podunk hillbillie town
Vehicle:
2001 Impreza 2.5 RS
and bye bye Turtle :(

Default

Zoli. I know I let you by after a pit stop when came up on me. I'd much rather let a car that I have no chance of holding off by and keep focusing on hitting my marks on crap tyres. I tend to get caught up in "oh he's behind me so I gotta hold him off" moments and ruin my race instead of just conceding the position that was gonna be lost anyway lol. I feel that I gotta have some kind of respect for a faster driver lol. I pitted that next lap anyway hahaha. But next time ill try it your way and see what happens lol

Jiffy
SubaruWRC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2012, 05:47 PM   #5407
wrightcomputing
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 308679
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Sarasota Florida
Vehicle:
2007 Mazda Rx8
Phantom Blue

Default

Well going back to the earlier comments I am going to go against the grain and say no restarts, its racing if you crash get over it, if you are in the pack be careful and give way. I think I have suffered more then most from being spun on the first lap and ending up miles behind, I just get on with it.

Keep it real folks no restart no 2nd chances. Just like.... every real life race
wrightcomputing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2012, 05:51 PM   #5408
SubaruWRC
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 11063
Join Date: Oct 2001
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: in a podunk hillbillie town
Vehicle:
2001 Impreza 2.5 RS
and bye bye Turtle :(

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wrightcomputing
Well going back to the earlier comments I am going to go against the grain and say no restarts, its racing if you crash get over it, if you are in the pack be careful and give way. I think I have suffered more then most from being spun on the first lap and ending up miles behind, I just get on with it.

Keep it real folks no restart no 2nd chances. Just like.... every real life race


What about if someone gets disconnected with in the first lap or so?? Will that be considered as a DNF or what???


Jiffy
SubaruWRC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2012, 07:06 PM   #5409
TIII
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 176659
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Eastern CT
Default

I'm with Wright, although I agree with Subau practicing for a race just to get disconnected is not fun at all.
TIII is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2012, 07:22 PM   #5410
SubaruWRC
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 11063
Join Date: Oct 2001
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: in a podunk hillbillie town
Vehicle:
2001 Impreza 2.5 RS
and bye bye Turtle :(

Default

Oh I'm gonna keep practicing online so others can join me as well
SubaruWRC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2012, 07:29 PM   #5411
StiLmtd
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 319354
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Central Valley, CA
Vehicle:
2007 Sti Limited
UGM

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wrightcomputing
Well going back to the earlier comments I am going to go against the grain and say no restarts, its racing if you crash get over it, if you are in the pack be careful and give way. I think I have suffered more then most from being spun on the first lap and ending up miles behind, I just get on with it.

Keep it real folks no restart no 2nd chances. Just like.... every real life race
I'm up for this...was crashed against the guardrail on the first turn in London and still kept going.


Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruWRC

What about if someone gets disconnected with in the first lap or so?? Will that be considered as a DNF or what???

Jiffy

This would have to be a valid reason for restart IMO.

Last edited by StiLmtd; 11-07-2012 at 08:52 PM.
StiLmtd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2012, 09:02 PM   #5412
wrightcomputing
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 308679
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Sarasota Florida
Vehicle:
2007 Mazda Rx8
Phantom Blue

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SubaruWRC View Post
What about if someone gets disconnected with in the first lap or so?? Will that be considered as a DNF or what???


Jiffy
That is a tough one but we already said that any disconnection is classed as engine failure, as such end of race. Fortunately that does not happen often.
It counts as finishing last but turning up like in a real race and you would gain any penalty or bonus for coming last. Such as ~+8pp in this league or no missed race penalty in others.

I think having no-nonsense policy is the only way that there can be no interpretation of the rule.

Another reason against a restart is someone may have a great start and go from 5th to first in half a lap only to find out the new guy who only every turns up for one race hit a wall and calls a restart. On the restart you end up 6th at the end of the first lap and never gain position :-(.

Last edited by wrightcomputing; 11-07-2012 at 09:09 PM.
wrightcomputing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2012, 09:29 PM   #5413
StiLmtd
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 319354
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Central Valley, CA
Vehicle:
2007 Sti Limited
UGM

Default

May someone please explain the point adjustment concept? Looking at mine, I just can't seems to figure it out.
StiLmtd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2012, 10:11 PM   #5414
LIQUIDSK8S
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 22605
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Boca Raton, FL
Vehicle:
2002 JDM STI/WRX
WRB

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wrightcomputing View Post
That is a tough one but we already said that any disconnection is classed as engine failure, as such end of race. Fortunately that does not happen often.
It counts as finishing last but turning up like in a real race and you would gain any penalty or bonus for coming last. Such as ~+8pp in this league or no missed race penalty in others.

I think having no-nonsense policy is the only way that there can be no interpretation of the rule.

Another reason against a restart is someone may have a great start and go from 5th to first in half a lap only to find out the new guy who only every turns up for one race hit a wall and calls a restart. On the restart you end up 6th at the end of the first lap and never gain position :-(.
We need a hard rule.

I think if the game were to kick you on the first lap, that should be a restart. Like T3 said, practicing all week to get kicked on lap 1 is not good. I'm not against a restart with a HUGE crash in turn 1, but I'm also fine with letting the chips fall as they may.

Game disconnects mid race are def engine failure though. It sucks but that's racing. And while were on the topic of "that's racing"....... I'm up for the idea of full race damage where you need to pit for repairs . Think about it, you could have the race leader run away from the field but hit a wall and suddenly end up mid pack. It would def make everyone think twice about playing chicken on corner entry.

Quote:
Originally Posted by StiLmtd View Post
May someone please explain the point adjustment concept? Looking at mine, I just can't seems to figure it out.

It is adjusted relative to the time gap between you and the guy ahead of you.
LIQUIDSK8S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2012, 10:42 PM   #5415
Its Vanilla
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 206506
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Pittsburgh
Vehicle:
13 Dart Rallye

Default

What about changing it to an incident involving at least 3 cars? That's 1/4-1/3 of the field most nights. If something that big happens, it was probably pretty serious.

I will say that I think the fact that we're debating about restarts instead of underpowered cars and PP issues is a testament to how well the current system is working.
Its Vanilla is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-07-2012, 11:14 PM   #5416
griffin
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 1387
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: MN
Vehicle:
. 2007 STI Black
2001 S2000 Black

Default

I think 2 or more cars off the track in the first sector works.

Honestly the real problem is that typically the driver in the wrong is often not knocked off track (or damaged) while the 'turn barrier' car is sent into the grass/wall. (Which is also why heavy damage does not work).
griffin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2012, 07:18 PM   #5417
KC
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 442
Join Date: Oct 1999
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: RI/SE Mass
Vehicle:
17 Imp Spurt
00 S2k

Default

I don't ask for much, but if y'all feel like it, vote for my buddy Nick Barbato. He's one of the guys that made it to GT Academy.

http://www.nissanusa.com/gtacademyshow/pit-pass/1/5

Kthxbye.

--kC
KC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2012, 07:51 PM   #5418
wrightcomputing
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 308679
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Sarasota Florida
Vehicle:
2007 Mazda Rx8
Phantom Blue

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LIQUIDSK8S View Post
I'm up for the idea of full race damage where you need to pit for repairs . Think about it, you could have the race leader run away from the field but hit a wall and suddenly end up mid pack. It would def make everyone think twice about playing chicken on corner entry.
I really think heavy damage just gives the fast guys at the front an advantage. The guys at the back are the ones that crash a lot making the difference between the front and the back bigger.
wrightcomputing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2012, 08:26 PM   #5419
LIQUIDSK8S
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 22605
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Boca Raton, FL
Vehicle:
2002 JDM STI/WRX
WRB

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wrightcomputing

I really think heavy damage just gives the fast guys at the front an advantage. The guys at the back are the ones that crash a lot making the difference between the front and the back bigger.
Depends, I think with the fear of pitting, everyone will be more cautious in traffic and with how fast they go through corners. This last race a few front runners had damage which would have forced a pit and shaken up the field.

I'm not saying its the way to go, but it would be interesting to test. Maybe we could do a exhibition race to see how it would effect the racing. I predict it will change many drivers behaviors and simulate a "balls factor". Lets schedule a exhibition race to try it out.

EDIT: just talked to Zoli and he has a genius idea. Instead of doing restarts, we have a "safety car" where the parties involved in the crash regroup with the field and then the race restarts at the start/finish line next lap. This allows the guys who made a awesome start to keep their position, and keeps us from having to exit the game. A full restart would have to happen with a disconnection though.

Last edited by LIQUIDSK8S; 11-08-2012 at 08:40 PM.
LIQUIDSK8S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2012, 08:40 PM   #5420
wrightcomputing
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 308679
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Sarasota Florida
Vehicle:
2007 Mazda Rx8
Phantom Blue

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LIQUIDSK8S View Post
Depends, I think with the fear of pitting, everyone will be more cautious in traffic and with how fast they go through corners. This last race a few front runners had damage which would have forced a pit and shaken up the field.

I'm not saying its the way to go, but it would be interesting to test. Maybe we could do a exhibition race to see how it would effect the racing. I predict it will change many drivers behaviors and simulate a "balls factor". Lets schedule a exhibition race to try it out.
Sound like we should run an exhibition in the rest week before the next league. Either one last run for these cars or a sneak peak at the next
wrightcomputing is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2012, 08:45 PM   #5421
LIQUIDSK8S
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 22605
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Boca Raton, FL
Vehicle:
2002 JDM STI/WRX
WRB

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wrightcomputing

Sound like we should run an exhibition in the rest week before the next league. Either one last run for these cars or a sneak peak at the next
Sounds good, we could see how the last race would have differed with full damage.

Also, I edited my post to include Zolis genius idea to the "restart" problem with a safety car.
LIQUIDSK8S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2012, 08:49 PM   #5422
LIQUIDSK8S
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 22605
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Boca Raton, FL
Vehicle:
2002 JDM STI/WRX
WRB

Default

Hahaha I just had a funny thought. If we use Zolis idea for the safety car in the first lap, Subaru will be praying for first lap incidents so he can get a rolling start
LIQUIDSK8S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2012, 09:13 PM   #5423
Zoli007
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 315356
Join Date: Apr 2012
Default

I'll add my thoughts in here as well. I suggested the "safety car" idea as an alternative. I think the idea of a no restart rule is a bit harsh, mainly because the majority of people punted on lap 1 have been through no fault of their own. Im relatively ok with not doing a restart but I think it absolutely sucks to get knocked out very early to lose the pack and to do laps for an hour. I'd probably drop out to be honest, and we've seen some guys drop out when they were so far back.

We are doing this for fun, so a little consideration for eachother in the first corner will help. If you punted someone hang back and wait with them. If you got punted, please say something. Staying quiet and not grumbling about it helps no one.

That all being said, I think the idea of the safety car may help everyone. Get the field back together and then the leader calls go at the start finish line.

As far as the disconect goes, I guess Im the only d!ck here because that is the only situation where I'd say no restart its a DNF. We decided that the disconect was a form of mechanical failure and that we would not assign positions or anything.

AND, I'd say dont assume you're getting a restart and drop out before people are agreed to a restart. <cough>liquid<cough>

I like most ideas presented. I think the first sector major incident is a good criteria for a race reset. If we do that with a full restart or my safety car idea is up to you guys. To do no restart I think may be a bit harsh. just my 2 cents
Zoli007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2012, 09:18 PM   #5424
LIQUIDSK8S
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 22605
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Boca Raton, FL
Vehicle:
2002 JDM STI/WRX
WRB

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoli007
I'll add my thoughts in here as well. I suggested the "safety car" idea as an alternative. I think the idea of a no restart rule is a bit harsh, mainly because the majority of people punted on lap 1 have been through no fault of their own. Im relatively ok with not doing a restart but I think it absolutely sucks to get knocked out very early to lose the pack and to do laps for an hour. I'd probably drop out to be honest, and we've seen some guys drop out when they were so far back.

We are doing this for fun, so a little consideration for eachother in the first corner will help. If you punted someone hang back and wait with them. If you got punted, please say something. Staying quiet and not grumbling about it helps no one.

That all being said, I think the idea of the safety car may help everyone. Get the field back together and then the leader calls go at the start finish line.

As far as the disconect goes, I guess Im the only d!ck here because that is the only situation where I'd say no restart its a DNF. We decided that the disconect was a form of mechanical failure and that we would not assign positions or anything.

AND, I'd say dont assume you're getting a restart and drop out before people are agreed to a restart. <cough>liquid<cough>

I like most ideas presented. I think the first sector major incident is a good criteria for a race reset. If we do that with a full restart or my safety car idea is up to you guys. To do no restart I think may be a bit harsh. just my 2 cents
I only exited because nobody was responding to me over the mics. I think I asked ten times without a response, so I assumed mics were messed up . I was 30sev back and had no interest in that.

Here's a option for the disconnect restart. Which I think should only apply to the first lap. If it happens, that driver starts from the back. This way they didn't practice all week for nothing, but get some punishment for it (not that it's their fault).

Last edited by LIQUIDSK8S; 11-08-2012 at 09:26 PM.
LIQUIDSK8S is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2012, 09:46 PM   #5425
Its Vanilla
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 206506
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Pittsburgh
Vehicle:
13 Dart Rallye

Default

I think we may be falling into the same trap that we did with the Mix 'N Match series again. Too many variables starts to mess things up.

I think the idea of a safety car and cautions sounds good, but will only serve to slow races down. It will also take tire strategy out of the equation. Drivers at the back could simply pit then magically have a "caution" come out. That leaves the drivers at the front on old tires and hung out to dry.

As far as disconnects go, there is nothing wrong with the current rule that treats it as a mechanical failure. As far as I can remember, we've never had a disconnection at the start of a race. I do agree that if something does happen in the first lap where someone is disconnected, that a restart is justified.

With restarts, I think a one sector rule should work. After that point, the race usually calms down. I do think we should be limited to one restart per race though.
Its Vanilla is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Sneak Peak at Gran Turismo 5 Prologue AVANTI R5 Non-Subaru News & Rumors 37 02-13-2008 10:27 AM
Gran Turismo 5 Prologue to have 2008 STi rexilla Off-Topic 299 01-02-2008 08:27 PM
Top Gear team up with Gran Turismo 5 dev on PS3 gabrielh Off-Topic 9 10-24-2007 11:58 AM
Gran turismo 5 vid. Searched. Probably still wtlw Escapee Off-Topic 7 04-11-2006 11:39 AM
Gran Turismo 5 - take pics of yer can and add it to the game Snoopy Off-Topic 17 11-10-2004 10:08 AM

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:55 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2024 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2019, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.

As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.

When you click on links to various merchants on this site and make a purchase, this can result in this site earning a commission
Affiliate programs and affiliations include, but are not limited to, the eBay Partner Network.