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Old 01-15-2022, 03:09 PM   #626
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No manual, no care.
Manual is all but confirmed (insiders have confirmed on public forums) that there will be a 2023 (MY) 3.0 manual Supra.

The same dude that has direct access to Tada and posted tons of insider info on the MkV before it was publicly released.

Good luck getting one though.
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Old 01-15-2022, 03:19 PM   #627
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Old 01-15-2022, 03:36 PM   #628
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Manual is all but confirmed (insiders have confirmed on public forums) that there will be a 2023 (MY) 3.0 manual Supra.

The same dude that has direct access to Tada and posted tons of insider info on the MkV before it was publicly released.

Good luck getting one though.
Very nice. The market is crazy and it is going to stay like that for a while so yeah itís probably going to sell out well over sticker before it even hits the lots.
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Old 01-15-2022, 03:42 PM   #629
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Summoned, and arrived on cue. No clue what it's saying though.

Anyway, good point on the necessity of luck to get a manual Supra. The more I think about it, the more I consider keeping my Impreza as a proper commuter vehicle and instead grabbing a nice sports car as a secondary car. I feel like there's no point in planning anything at the moment because pricing and availability are just insane right now.
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Old 01-15-2022, 06:07 PM   #630
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Summoned, and arrived on cue. No clue what it's saying though.

Anyway, good point on the necessity of luck to get a manual Supra. The more I think about it, the more I consider keeping my Impreza as a proper commuter vehicle and instead grabbing a nice sports car as a secondary car. I feel like there's no point in planning anything at the moment because pricing and availability are just insane right now.
Iíve tried to explain this to so many that just donít get it.

Why would you want to DD anything that cost real money, IE expensive, IE over 30k? It is going to get miles racked up on it, get beat up in traffic, perhaps dinged in a car park, etc.

Then you have the nice thing that does cost real money. 30k, 40k, 50k. That stays relatively mint. Itís not getting all the miles put on it, etc, so it will last a long damn time. 10, 20, 25 years.

Get a DD paid for. Then buy your sports/performance thing. Once that is paid for, you can get a new DD if need be, or get something else you want to add to the fleet. Once I stopped with the buy/sell trade. Well I went from one bike, and one car. To three bikes, a DD, all paid for, and now paying on a compact truck and PWC. And those will be paid off soon to grab another and last performance 6MT. Always getting that new thing and not keeping stuff means youíll always be limited and the vehicle choice wonít be ideal because youíll be asking too much of it.

And then there is redundancy. I love redundancy. Iíve had a bike down yet I could still ride because I have another. I have had car issues (minor stuff) but guess what? I have another.

At some point in the next 5-7 years Iíll have a DD, a truck, and performance 6MT. Then my 3 bikes, PWC, and a boat, all in the same Barndo garage. Iím not rich and donít make big bank. I just buy one thing at a time (2 if itís a bike or pwc, IE not car like price), pay it off, and move onto the next thing.
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Old 01-15-2022, 11:11 PM   #631
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Why would you want to DD anything that cost real money, IE expensive, IE over 30k?
Aside from the office and home, the daily driver is where most people spend time. Which is exactly why I have enjoyable cars as a daily.

As far as concern for something happening to it, that's just a frame of mind. If you accept something might happen to it before it does, then there's no concern and you can actually enjoy the car.

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Old 01-15-2022, 11:12 PM   #632
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Aside from the office and home, the daily driver is where most people spend time. Which is exactly why I have enjoyable cars as a daily.

As far as concern for something happening to it, that's just a frame of mind. If you accept something might happen to it before it does, then there's no concern and you can actually enjoy the car.

That car would be gone in 60 seconds
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Old 01-15-2022, 11:20 PM   #633
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Yeah there's definitely wisdom in just keeping the paid-off Impreza. Gets good gas mileage and it's still relatively young. Thanks for the advice.
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Old 01-15-2022, 11:47 PM   #634
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Aside from the office and home, the daily driver is where most people spend time. Which is exactly why I have enjoyable cars as a daily.

As far as concern for something happening to it, that's just a frame of mind. If you accept something might happen to it before it does, then there's no concern and you can actually enjoy the car.
Different strokes for different folks. Daily driving, driving, is boring AF. Bumper to bumper, light to light, clogged artery Highway? There is nothing entertaining about it whether it be a Ford GT or a Honda Fit. I like NOT drawing attention either so it's function first then form. I also like having titles, many of them. It's more enjoyable to me. Anything nice I have, which is used to blast turns, gets 100% of its miles racked up doing so, and zero going to Costco, commuting to work, the gym, etc. I'm going to spend as little money as possible on DD stuff because it frees up $ for the rest of the fleet.

Enjoyable driving is twisties and track, not the grocery store. Each to their own though. And the fake image idiots see me in my DD hatchback and think, wow that's all that guy can afford! And that's exactly what I want them to think
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Old 01-16-2022, 09:48 AM   #635
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Bumper to bumper, light to light, clogged artery Highway? There is nothing entertaining about it whether it be a Ford GT or a Honda Fit.
Totally agree. I used to enjoy commuting, running errands, etc in my "fun" car, but the characteristics that make a car enjoyable to drive on the track or in the canyons are often a liability during the daily grind. Our 4Runner is the right tool for that job and my S2000 rarely comes out of the hills anymore.
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Old 01-16-2022, 10:13 AM   #636
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SoÖ.canít wait to see the sales for this manual. Also, the DME is now cracked for the 21ís on up so tuning is again possible.
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Old 01-16-2022, 12:41 PM   #637
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Different strokes for different folks. Daily driving, driving, is boring AF. Bumper to bumper, light to light, clogged artery Highway? There is nothing entertaining about it whether it be a Ford GT or a Honda Fit. I like NOT drawing attention either so it's function first then form. I also like having titles, many of them. It's more enjoyable to me. Anything nice I have, which is used to blast turns, gets 100% of its miles racked up doing so, and zero going to Costco, commuting to work, the gym, etc. I'm going to spend as little money as possible on DD stuff because it frees up $ for the rest of the fleet.

Enjoyable driving is twisties and track, not the grocery store. Each to their own though. And the fake image idiots see me in my DD hatchback and think, wow that's all that guy can afford! And that's exactly what I want them to think
Everyone's different of course - getting a 3rd car would be a pain for us cause we'd have to park on the street, or block the driveway, and either sucks especially in the winter.

I have no free time to drive a sports car, so I tend to get a daily that's fun to drive, currently the Si, had a 330i ZHP before. Corolla GR would make a great daily/work car, the Supra or BRZ wouldn't work for me.

I don't drive much in traffic, and don't drive to an office (field service) so my drives are much more varied, which keeps it from getting monotonous.
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Old 01-16-2022, 10:54 PM   #638
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Different strokes for different folks. Daily driving, driving, is boring AF. Bumper to bumper, light to light, clogged artery Highway? There is nothing entertaining about it whether it be a Ford GT or a Honda Fit.
100% disagree.

I was stuck in **** traffic while I had my business partner's Cullinan. Was the most relaxing experience ever. I literally did not care about the traffic, at all.

Still waiting for the condition where I'd rather be in a Fit. . . will report back if it ever happens
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Everyone's different of course - getting a 3rd car would be a pain for us cause we'd have to park on the street, or block the driveway, and either sucks especially in the winter.

I have no free time to drive a sports car, so I tend to get a daily that's fun to drive, currently the Si, had a 330i ZHP before. Corolla GR would make a great daily/work car, the Supra or BRZ wouldn't work for me.

I don't drive much in traffic, and don't drive to an office (field service) so my drives are much more varied, which keeps it from getting monotonous.
Just keep in mind: This is the Last Dance. As long as you are comfortable with the fact that after this next round of perf/sports cars, theyíll either be hybrid replacements afterwards or full EVís. So daily it if you want, but when it comes time for a replacement theyíll be the dodo.
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100% disagree.

I was stuck in **** traffic while I had my business partner's Cullinan. Was the most relaxing experience ever. I literally did not care about the traffic, at all.

Still waiting for the condition where I'd rather be in a Fit. . . will report back if it ever happens
I said different strokes for different folks. You donít have to agree. I like my performance machines, clean, in my garage, on battery tenders. When it comes time to use them, they get warmed up, and blasted on. Then they get cleaned and put back into their slot.

I rent a Honda Fit twice a year when I go surf. There is nothing Iíd rather be in on the island. Performance car is absolutely pointless there and itís absolutely pointless to me for boring mundane light to light driving especially traffic. Iíve daily driven my own performance cars before and figured out what a waste of miles, gas, etc. So now my performance bikes/pwc/car get used for exactly what they were designed for. Boring mundane **** gets punted to the DD which is much more suited for that driving, and itís actually fun for what it is. Itís also super efficient, and power for it is $0 so I drive it for free now, itís paid off, and still under warranty. And that lack of monthly gas cost fuels the next vehicle purchase.

Your money is your money, do whatever you want. My money wonít be wasted daily driving anything I really care about. Iíll see something like a Cayman R, in traffic, and just Sitting there, idling, not moving. Such a waste. Iíd bet $ the thing will never see a track day or even the twisty roads I frequent often.
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Oh my lawdy, Maui is ssssooooo slow. Absolutely no one cares if you have a nice car there (performance, or whatever) because that's just not the vibe. Honda Fit would've been nice. I drove a Nissan Armada because of my family and buddy.

You definitely have to take into consideration your local roads, parking availability and time.
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Just keep in mind: This is the Last Dance. As long as you are comfortable with the fact that after this next round of perf/sports cars, theyíll either be hybrid replacements afterwards or full EVís. So daily it if you want, but when it comes time for a replacement theyíll be the dodo.
I donít believe all that BS that EVs are going to go from 2% to 100% of the vehicle market in a few years. Governments can mandate whatever they want but unless theyíre giving them out for free (and it may come to that), people will still determine what sells.
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This thread needs more on topic responses. Take the spat to off topic!

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Oh my lawdy, Maui is ssssooooo slow. Absolutely no one cares if you have a nice car there (performance, or whatever) because that's just not the vibe. Honda Fit would've been nice. I drove a Nissan Armada because of my family and buddy.

You definitely have to take into consideration your local roads, parking availability and time.
All of the Hawaiian islands are slow. If I lived there, Iíd just find the most plus and comfortable SUV. You could get a 1st gen Miata and drive a slow car ďfastĒ I suppose.
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Oh my lawdy, Maui is ssssooooo slow. Absolutely no one cares if you have a nice car there (performance, or whatever) because that's just not the vibe. Honda Fit would've been nice. I drove a Nissan Armada because of my family and buddy.

You definitely have to take into consideration your local roads, parking availability and time.
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All of the Hawaiian islands are slow. If I lived there, Iíd just find the most plus and comfortable SUV. You could get a 1st gen Miata and drive a slow car ďfastĒ I suppose.
Can confirm - I was in Oahu for a couple weeks (like 6 years ago); everyone drove at least 5-under, I think the highest speed limit I encountered was 55mph, but in Honolulu/around it was only 50mph on the freeway IIRC. I had a rental base model civic which was more than capable of dealing with those speeds; people also didn't accelerate like a bat out of hell getting on the freeway either, they took their time. I don't think I could drive that kind of car every day, but it had enough to deal with local traffic flow. Rav4 hybrid as a family hauler, BRZ/86/other small coupe as a daily (so I could strap a surf board to the roof).
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I went to Kauai. Everyone driving was in a very relaxed mood.
My friend, who had wife issues and couldn't find someone to get laid with, was a complete a-hole. Driving over speed limit, almost running cars out the road, passing on double lines.

For those islands, small coupe like the new BRZ, or an SI, and a Tacoma would rule.
Car dealers already had the Tacoma lifted and with wider tires. I would have if I were living there
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Oh my lawdy, Maui is ssssooooo slow. Absolutely no one cares if you have a nice car there (performance, or whatever) because that's just not the vibe. Honda Fit would've been nice. I drove a Nissan Armada because of my family and buddy.

You definitely have to take into consideration your local roads, parking availability and time.
The comparison is valid for me as itís the same type of driving as DD here. Kalifornians have invaded, thousands per day. So driving anywhere is congested, slow, etc. The only difference here to there is our highway infrastructure is incredible but itís congested also.

The point was speed limit boring mundane driving is the same there as it is here, literally no difference. Iím going to Kauai and Maui next month. Fit on Maui and Kauai Iíll be in some Hertz type POS because I jacked it for free. If I had the need for more range at home than my Leaf could provide Iíd have a Honda Fit sport 6MT parked in the driveway. In fact one of the people I respect the most on here ran a Honda Fit 6MT as a DD and had a loaded out Vette (C7) at the same time, with magnaride, etc.

Some people want their DD to be performance/sports car. While others look at a DD for what it is. It needs to be fuel efficient, relatively inexpensive, comfortable, and have room for whatever DD requirements they have.

For the 5th time, each to their own. Itís your money. Supra, 86, GR Corolla, whatever I end up in, will be my weekend fun vehicle getting little miles on it since itís for blasting turns only. Therefore, itíll last 20+ years for me.
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To bring this back on topic; while the Mark V Supra can be somewhat divisive having another sporting option that is somewhat reasonable is a good thing. I'd say fairly reasonable for the turbo 4 with the average car prices of today.

The fact they will likely add a manual when we know the take rate will be low is nothing but a good thing.

I was very skeptical when the Supra was announced, didn't like it was BMW derived even though I've owned BMW's. After seeing it in person and driving it and now owning one I love it, more than any other car I've owned.

As to a manual I have a motorcycle(s) for that so I'm not bothered by a ZF 8 speed.
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