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Old 03-31-2021, 08:18 PM   #601
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You should really research the weight differences of the engines you are talking about. It's paltry. Everyone is worrying about weight. How about sit back and let the thing hit the streets first. Geez. Pony cars are so much heavier. Hell even one of the cars I drove that I'm head over heels for, the M2C, is like 3600 pounds. Just ease up and wait.
Haha, I'm looking at information that is present based on existing models and information; Nissan tendencies and shared components. That's all. Engine weight alone doesn't mean anything as its part of a whole system. I'm not drooling over a random rumor of 400hp @ 32xx lbs for $35k, when Nissan hasn't delivered anything like this.

I'm just having a technical conversation. Better than what is going over on the BRZ thread.

In other news, Nissan just previewed the Nismo Patrol sitting on 22" wheels and Bilstein dampers to make it handle. That's the direction of Nismo.
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Old 03-31-2021, 09:11 PM   #602
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As far as dry weight goes, that use to me the standard weight published on all cars.

Different weight oils are just that, no real standard on how much fuel should be in it, etc. using the dry weight gave it a standard no matter where the car was sold.
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Haha, I'm looking at information that is present based on existing models and information; Nissan tendencies and shared components. That's all. Engine weight alone doesn't mean anything as its part of a whole system. I'm not drooling over a random rumor of 400hp @ 32xx lbs for $35k, when Nissan hasn't delivered anything like this.

I'm just having a technical conversation. Better than what is going over on the BRZ thread.

In other news, Nissan just previewed the Nismo Patrol sitting on 22" wheels and Bilstein dampers to make it handle. That's the direction of Nismo.
Do you understand why we donít get many affordable performance cars any more? Geez no information is out and people are dropping loads and not wiping their hands already. I can imagine a mfr or mfrís saying Ďwhy do we even bother!Ē F, letís let the thing get out of the gate first. Nobody knows the weight yet. And we only have speculation at best, on price. But the fact that itís getting a TTV6 and will be hundreds of pounds lighter than a Pony should be some decent news. And we know it wonít be Supra 6 banger money.
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Haha, I'm looking at information that is present based on existing models and information; Nissan tendencies and shared components. That's all. Engine weight alone doesn't mean anything as its part of a whole system. I'm not drooling over a random rumor of 400hp @ 32xx lbs for $35k, when Nissan hasn't delivered anything like this.

I'm just having a technical conversation. Better than what is going over on the BRZ thread.

In other news, Nissan just previewed the Nismo Patrol sitting on 22" wheels and Bilstein dampers to make it handle. That's the direction of Nismo.

22Ē wheels...... Thatís going to be Texas to replace those things.
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Do you understand why we donít get many affordable performance cars any more? Geez no information is out and people are dropping loads and not wiping their hands already. I can imagine a mfr or mfrís saying Ďwhy do we even bother!Ē F, letís let the thing get out of the gate first. Nobody knows the weight yet. And we only have speculation at best, on price. But the fact that itís getting a TTV6 and will be hundreds of pounds lighter than a Pony should be some decent news. And we know it wonít be Supra 6 banger money.
My point is exactly that, we don't know the weight, price, or power. Enthusiasts want more power, lighter weight, better handling at a cheaper price. One of those things ends up suffering. Manufacturers probably shouldn't bother. It's the rumors that spread and get published that get the enthusiasts all hyped up and then disappointed when they don't fullfil the complete prophecy.

You are already drooling over the rumors on its price, weight and specs:
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Ruh-roh

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a3...p-price-rumor/

40k for TTV6, with 400HP stock, Brembos, um, yeah!
All we actually know is TTV6 and 6 MT option. Period. No price. No hp rating, only speculation based on the Q60 specs. Nissan dropped Brembos from the 350Z when they moved to the 370Z.

Based on the 400Z prototype (which appears to be very close to the leaked photos), it's going to be 5 inches longer than the 370Z, at 172.5".

Historically, the Infiniti siblings are ~300 lbs heavier than the Z. The Q60 is 3700 to 4000 lbs for the Red Sport.

Sorry, I actually like to be realistic if we are in the news and "rumors" section. This at least gives the manufacturers a chance to surprise and not be chastised if they don't deliver on the rumors.

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Old 04-01-2021, 09:41 AM   #606
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22Ē wheels...... Thatís going to be Texas to replace those things.
The Nismo Patrol seems to be a middle east model....but it will cost $105,000. For reference, a base Patrol costs $54,500.
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My point is exactly that, we don't know the weight, price, or power. Enthusiasts want more power, lighter weight, better handling at a cheaper price. One of those things ends up suffering. Manufacturers probably shouldn't bother. It's the rumors that spread and get published that get the enthusiasts all hyped up and then disappointed when they don't fullfil the complete prophecy.

You are already drooling over the rumors on its price, weight and specs:


All we actually know is TTV6 and 6 MT option. Period. No price. No hp rating, only speculation based on the Q60 specs. Nissan dropped Brembos from the 350Z when they moved to the 370Z.

Based on the 400Z prototype (which appears to be very close to the leaked photos), it's going to be 5 inches longer than the 370Z, at 172.5".

Historically, the Infiniti siblings are ~300 lbs heavier than the Z. The Q60 is 3700 to 4000 lbs for the Red Sport.

Sorry, I actually like to be realistic if we are in the news and "rumors" section. This at least gives the manufacturers a chance to surprise and not be chastised if they don't deliver on the rumors.
It's called the news and rumors section; typically if it's an official publication from the manufacturer it falls into the "news" portion; speculations & unofficial publications fall into the "rumors" portion.

You're going to get both here.
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Old 04-01-2021, 09:52 AM   #608
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It's called the news and rumors section; typically if it's an official publication from the manufacturer it falls into the "news" portion; speculations & unofficial publications fall into the "rumors" portion.

You're going to get both here.
I know. The Z rumored specs and trims that R&T is rolling with came from a user on the 400zclub forum.

I have my speculation and opinions. I'm not going to rip Nissan if they don't deliver on the rumors.

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I have a feeling this will be 40k for the better version with 400hp if true, 50k for Nismo
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I know. The Z rumored specs and trims that R&T is rolling with came from a user on the 400zclub forum.

I have my speculation and opinions. I'm not going to rip Nissan if they don't deliver on the rumors.
Yeah the pricing is an Internet forum rumor and not an automotive media insider rumor. It's very possible that Internet forum poster is privy to insider information but still it's no more credible as any of us stating the pricing of the next gen WRX/STI in the next gen WRX/STI thread here.
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Yeah the pricing is an Internet forum rumor and not an automotive media insider rumor. It's very possible that Internet forum poster is privy to insider information but still it's no more credible as any of us stating the pricing of the next gen WRX/STI in the next gen WRX/STI thread here.
I would hope that forum poster is not a Nissan or Supplier employee. Ford was/is not happy with all the leaked pics of the Maverick. Doing leaks like this can have repercussions (legal, future business or employment).
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My point is exactly that, we don't know the weight, price, or power. Enthusiasts want more power, lighter weight, better handling at a cheaper price. One of those things ends up suffering. Manufacturers probably shouldn't bother. It's the rumors that spread and get published that get the enthusiasts all hyped up and then disappointed when they don't fullfil the complete prophecy.

You are already drooling over the rumors on its price, weight and specs:


All we actually know is TTV6 and 6 MT option. Period. No price. No hp rating, only speculation based on the Q60 specs. Nissan dropped Brembos from the 350Z when they moved to the 370Z.

Based on the 400Z prototype (which appears to be very close to the leaked photos), it's going to be 5 inches longer than the 370Z, at 172.5".

Historically, the Infiniti siblings are ~300 lbs heavier than the Z. The Q60 is 3700 to 4000 lbs for the Red Sport.

Sorry, I actually like to be realistic if we are in the news and "rumors" section. This at least gives the manufacturers a chance to surprise and not be chastised if they don't deliver on the rumors.

Who da F is drooling? You mean I'm somewhat optimistic? Who'd a thunk it. I'm "optimistic" regarding the STi as well because it's finally getting a new engine, same for the new BRZ. Doesn't mean I'm going to buy either and did I say ANYTHING about weight? I'm "happy" the USDM is getting a or some "affordable" performance cars. You aren't being realistic, you are being a pessimist. And there is a difference. I know full damn well this new Z will be hundreds of pounds lighter than these bloated Pony vehicles, and considering our options in this price class, that's good enough for me. Now I'm talking weight. I'd bet it's shorter than a C7, and I'd bet my left testicle it's shorter in length than a Rustang or Camaro.

It's crystal now why we get slim pickings here. Already, the jump to conclusions mat is out on weight, power, cooling, etc. We have some speculative information about price that "sounds" good and makes sense since it's a parts bin car. Existing chassis machine building it, existing engine in the Nissan parts catalog. Yet here come the party poopers, feces a flying.

Realistic implies reality. The reality is you nor anyone else knows what it weighs or anything else so go perhaps have a cookie, and you'll be as right as rain. From what I'm reading, I'm optimistic, nothing more, and "sounds" good. Let's try to allow the car to actually come out, get driven, specs revealed, including price before we S all over it. You are acting like someone has a gun pointed to your head forcing you put a deposit on it.

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I just can't see them offering 400 hp right off the bat for $35k. Okay, maybe they will tune it to start around 330-350 hp. But 400+ hp has gotta be reserved for a higher trim. This is Nissan. They don't just add hp without a price hike. Any hp gains (i.e. NISMO) are price adders to both 370Z and GT-R. I have a hard time believing adding twin turbos over a n/a V6 is going to be free, unless it's tuned appropriately at different trim levels to justify price.

Look at the Q50 (indications seem to point to this engine being used in the new Z). How is the base model needing twin turbos on a 3.0L V6 to achieve only 300hp?? They almost make you want to upgrade to the 400 hp version. 400 hp comes at a $56k ($20k premium) over the base model. Yes this is their attempt to make Infiniti a luxury car but I have a hard time believing this 400 hp engine going to be in a $35k Z?

They didn't seem to be all too enthusiastic about offering a new Z until enthusiasts and auto journalist kept asking. Reports indicating this is a re-skin of the existing chassis kinda shows their attitude towards it.
No, this is a legacy of Nissan no longer being run by Ghosn. They actually want to make good cars now, instead of just rolling out **** to say that they're a volume seller. Ghosn was a cancer to the brand.
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Who da F is drooling? You mean I'm somewhat optimistic? Who'd a thunk it. I'm "optimistic" regarding the STi as well because it's finally getting a new engine, same for the new BRZ. Doesn't mean I'm going to buy either and did I say ANYTHING about weight? I'm "happy" the USDM is getting a or some "affordable" performance cars. You aren't being realistic, you are being a pessimist. And there is a difference. I know full damn well this new Z will be hundreds of pounds lighter than these bloated Pony vehicles, and considering our options in this price class, that's good enough for me. Now I'm talking weight. I'd bet it's shorter than a C7, and I'd bet my left testicle it's shorter in length than a Rustang or Camaro.

It's crystal now why we get slim pickings here. Already, the jump to conclusions mat is out on weight, power, cooling, etc. We have some speculative information about price that "sounds" good and makes sense since it's a parts bin car. Existing chassis machine building it, existing engine in the Nissan parts catalog. Yet here come the party poopers, feces a flying.

Realistic implies reality. The reality is you nor anyone else knows what it weighs or anything else so go perhaps have a cookie, and you'll be as right as rain. From what I'm reading, I'm optimistic, nothing more, and "sounds" good. Let's try to allow the car to actually come out, get driven, specs revealed, including price before we S all over it. You are acting like someone has a gun pointed to your head forcing you put a deposit on it.
Dude calm down. Sheesh. I'm just having a discussion. You get so bent out of shape just because someone doesn't agree with you. If you don't like the discussion, don't contribute. Stick to making fun of Tom Doll in the BRZ thread.

I'm not pessimistic. I'm not saying the Z is going to be a dog by any means. Yes, it will be shorter and lighter than the pony cars. Are you happy? Keep your nut. Good grief. The things we do know are already great steps to a great car.

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No, this is a legacy of Nissan no longer being run by Ghosn. They actually want to make good cars now, instead of just rolling out **** to say that they're a volume seller. Ghosn was a cancer to the brand.
There's truth to that about Ghosn. Hopefully, they bring some excitement back. They are ditching their CVT in the Pathfinder and finally have a new Frontier.
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My expectations for what the Z will be is based on what it competes with and what they currently offer. Don't need a crystal ball or magic to read into the reasons behind the 400z. Why would Nissan make a non starter to the competition? Which up to the release of the Supra has been the lesser pony cars.
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The things we do know are already great steps to a great car.
"Great car" is relative to both price and other cars around that price.

A mustang GT is a great car at 40k. If they just decided to start charging 80k, it instantly becomes utter garbage. Same goes for the z.

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Why would Nissan make a non starter to the competition? Which up to the release of the Supra has been the lesser pony cars.
Exactly. If all they're doing is keeping the formula the same, they can expect the same results, which the outcome of that clearly blows and makes no sense to target. Subyski seems to think that's fine and that nissan will gladly eat losses just so they can keep an image. I think that's asinine and nissan would never do something like that.
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Dude calm down. Sheesh. I'm just having a discussion. You get so bent out of shape just because someone doesn't agree with you. If you don't like the discussion, don't contribute. Stick to making fun of Tom Doll in the BRZ thread.

I'm not pessimistic. I'm not saying the Z is going to be a dog by any means. Yes, it will be shorter and lighter than the pony cars. Are you happy? Keep your nut. Good grief. The things we do know are already great steps to a great car.
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"Great car" is relative to both price and other cars around that price.

A mustang GT is a great car at 40k. If they just decided to start charging 80k, it instantly becomes utter garbage. Same goes for the z.



Exactly. If all they're doing is keeping the formula the same, they can expect the same results, which the outcome of that clearly blows and makes no sense to target. Subyski seems to think that's fine and that nissan will gladly eat losses just so they can keep an image. I think that's asinine and nissan would never do something like that.
I don't think that's fine but just based on Nissan and Nismo tendencies for the last 10+ years. Hopefully the new leadership doesn't falter this opportunity.

For everyone's sake, I hope they can produce a Z that accomplishes all the rumored specs at an "affordable" price that undercuts the Supra. Something that is priced right to balance price (profit) and volume to keep it in existence (and updated). Maybe even push Toyota to offer a MT option in the Supra. I already prefer the Z's looks compared to the Supra.
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Those kind of people make the internet fun.
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I'm over this Z car already. When is the fully electric Z CUV & R36 GTR SUV coming?
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Frontier R (GT-R powered).

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Those kind of people make the internet fun.

Someone gets it. I find it amusing and bust balls often. We don't get jack bone S for affordable performance cars for years. Then bam here comes some (that's what she said!) and it's Migs flinging feces instead of......

Give them a chance. I'll be happy to join the poop party if the thing burns oil, has a weak rear diff, is 3700 pounds, or cost 45k to start. We just aren't there yet cap'n.
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There's truth to that about Ghosn. Hopefully, they bring some excitement back. They are ditching their CVT in the Pathfinder and finally have a new Frontier.
Yes, death to the CVT! Hopefully this spreads thru their lineup further.

Side note, with the rumors of them possibly using the MB 9 speed in the 400 whatís the word on its performance?
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