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Old 01-08-2022, 05:08 PM   #4426
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I'm gaslighting for being curious if you had this same energy for the concept that you have for the production vehicle for something shared on both vehicles? Ugly car is ugly, but you are inconsistent. Me being matter of fact even when I'm not countering your myopic points pains you for some reason. It's not personal. I just find value in accuracy and facts.
I literally just explained it to you in my post and you can't help yourself.

No other member is held to this same scrutiny. You make it personal. Have fun with the mods.

A quote of mine from the VIZIV STI concept thread (which is not the WRX)
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At this point, I feel that Audi is more capable of designing a WRX/STI than Subaru is. Subaru is trying way too hard, IMO. I'm not sure my opinion is the minority here or not, but I'd prefer Subaru look toward the RS3 than the Civic Type R for inspiration. Better yet, at their own past models.
And I posted images of Subarus and Audis that *checks notes* have zero cladding on them.
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Old 01-08-2022, 05:19 PM   #4427
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What "weight" am I putting on what? IS it a fact that the texture is more aerodynamic?

I have said NOTHING that it was significant. I HAVE said that every MPG matters to them when it comes to meeting EPA/CAFE standards.

You TRULY believe the designers sat there and came up with a design and were like "we know this is going to be ugly and make everyone mad; so, what can we use to "justify it"? Yeah, let's put this texture on it and say it's for aerodynamics". Really? Come on.

Could they have come up with a different design route for the aerodynamics? No clue.
You are putting weight on it when you say that “your defense is against those calling BS on its functionality”. If it’s marginal at best figures whatever it is that they say it’s functional for, then yes, it is BS being that like 40% of the car is covered in it…..so actually yeah, while they might not have sat down and said how can we make it ugly and justify it, they definitely did seem to have sat down and brainstormed about how they can cheapen out on the car and materials and justify it. “Guys, we’re making a killing on these WRXs, how can we continue this trend and maximize profits?”, “sir, I think I got it, let’s make the car 40% plastic and run some tests and market the nanosecond faster lap times and 1mpg gain it produces that should get them to drink the koolaid”…. I pitty you if you think multibillion dollar corporations literally aren’t ruthlessly ran like this.
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Old 01-08-2022, 05:28 PM   #4428
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You are putting weight on it when you say that "your defense is against those calling BS on its functionality". If it's marginal at best figures whatever it is that they say it's functional for, then yes, it is BS being that like 40% of the car is covered in it***8230;..so actually yeah, while they might not have sat down and said how can we make it ugly and justify it, they definitely did seem to have sat down and brainstormed about how they can cheapen out on the car and materials and justify it. "Guys, we're making a killing on these WRXs, how can we continue this trend and maximize profits?", "sir, I think I got it, let's make the car 40% plastic and run some tests and market the nanosecond faster lap times and 1mpg gain it produces that should get them to drink the koolaid"***8230;. I pitty you if you think multibillion dollar corporations literally aren't ruthlessly ran like this.
Except...It cost them more money to slap the cladding on the fenders in the first place. Would have been cheaper to stamp the fenders and paint them instead of stamping a fender, painting part of it, designing cladding to go on top of them, tooling for the cladding, fastening them, testing them, and iterating if necessary.
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Old 01-08-2022, 05:47 PM   #4429
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Except...It cost them more money to slap the cladding on the fenders in the first place. Would have been cheaper to stamp the fenders and paint them instead of stamping a fender, painting part of it, designing cladding to go on top of them, tooling for the cladding, fastening them, testing them, and iterating if necessary.
I genuinely don’t know how much it costs them to do this or that. But I’m just going off of my own deductive reasoning. When they have a substantial portion of the car covered with cheap plastic and they justify it simply with “it’s aerodynamic” and some other obscure benefits which clearly seem to be marginally measurable at best, then I can’t help but call absolute BS on it and have to clearly deduce that it’s a cost saving decision to go with design/materials.

By the way, I’m not one of these people on the thread constantly beating a dead horse and spouting other BS such as it being “horrific” looking or something, if anything, the Elantra N is horrific looking to me and the Golfs are the blandest vanilla looking vehicles out there. I just don’t buy whatever “benefits” the golf textured cladding is purported to have.
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Old 01-08-2022, 06:48 PM   #4430
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I have no idea if the cladding was a cost cutting measure or not but it does not look cheap to me whatsoever. The golf ball texture style is really cool. It works and fits the character of this particular car. I can understand why they went that route. It also has a ton of benefits if you don't mind the looks. I wish my current car had thin cladding around the wheel arches. I already had to pull out a ding above the rear wheel.
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Old 01-08-2022, 07:02 PM   #4431
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So now, someone needs to buy a bunch of churros and see how many can fit on that rear bumper of that WRX. Should be a priority for the forum itself. To make it better get the orange WRX. I'm betting you can get at least 25 churros to fit on that rear bumper. Maybe we get a San Antonio member to do it, and get a couple of those big ol women into the shot to boot.
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Old 01-08-2022, 07:03 PM   #4432
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I literally just explained it to you in my post and you can't help yourself.

No other member is held to this same scrutiny. You make it personal. Have fun with the mods.

A quote of mine from the VIZIV STI concept thread (which is not the WRX)


And I posted images of Subarus and Audis that *checks notes* have zero cladding on them.
Actually, he's pretty good at spotting inconsistencies and scrutinizing others around here. It's definitely not just you. I actually enjoy it because it keeps me on my toes. He remembers what I said about the Legacy and Outback getting 5x114.3 wheels!
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I genuinely don’t know how much it costs them to do this or that. But I’m just going off of my own deductive reasoning. When they have a substantial portion of the car covered with cheap plastic and they justify it simply with “it’s aerodynamic” and some other obscure benefits which clearly seem to be marginally measurable at best, then I can’t help but call absolute BS on it and have to clearly deduce that it’s a cost saving decision to go with design/materials.

By the way, I’m not one of these people on the thread constantly beating a dead horse and spouting other BS such as it being “horrific” looking or something, if anything, the Elantra N is horrific looking to me and the Golfs are the blandest vanilla looking vehicles out there. I just don’t buy whatever “benefits” the golf textured cladding is purported to have.
I do agree about the Elantra and GTI.

However, the TEXTURE on the plastic cladding IS science. But, as SoDealer has stated several times, Subaru most likely wanted the plastic cladding tacked on in hopes of helping the car look more "aggressive", and the engineers then went, "Well, damn. If you're REALLY determined to have the plastic cladding, let's at least texturize it to add some benefit."

The texture works. The cladding itself does not. People argue all day on here about science, not realizing that all of the "negligible" benefits add up over time/distance (speed), whether center of gravity, drag coefficiency, etc.
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Old 01-08-2022, 07:27 PM   #4433
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Its just not enough, i had one (of the 9 Subarus i have owned) 10% power bump is not enough. (Supra 4cly at 255 is the right number)

Are these the same people that sang the praises of the new wrx from the press launch at the $1500 a night spa.
I've also gotta ask how much is enough? For one, the BRZ isn't trying to be a Supra. But, for example. you are wanting 30hp(at least I guess) at each redesign, the WRX(not STI) would be north of 400hp at this point. How much is enough?

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You are putting weight on it when you say that “your defense is against those calling BS on its functionality”. If it’s marginal at best figures whatever it is that they say it’s functional for, then yes, it is BS being that like 40% of the car is covered in it…..so actually yeah, while they might not have sat down and said how can we make it ugly and justify it, they definitely did seem to have sat down and brainstormed about how they can cheapen out on the car and materials and justify it. “Guys, we’re making a killing on these WRXs, how can we continue this trend and maximize profits?”, “sir, I think I got it, let’s make the car 40% plastic and run some tests and market the nanosecond faster lap times and 1mpg gain it produces that should get them to drink the koolaid”…. I pitty you if you think multibillion dollar corporations literally aren’t ruthlessly ran like this.

40% of the car? Can you share which one you are looking at, or are you just being facetious? I don't think the aerodynamics were as much focused for speed(if at all) versus keeping it's CoD down to help keep the MPG where it's at being a larger car. Consider how much money they spent in the wind tunnels coming up with designs that gave them what they were looking for. I am sure several designs went through many hours of testing. 1 MPG may make you ; but, it's a significant thing to the manufacturer trying to comply with government mandates. Sacrifices have to be made sometimes, eh? Now, I don't dislike this look; but, can also understand why people don't like it. Had I been given several design choices with and without cladding and asked which I liked, I may have not chosen the cladding. I think the Levorg looks good.
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Old 01-08-2022, 07:35 PM   #4434
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I still like it, aftermarket is going to love making flares that bolt on. I think the car looks cool, I’m looking forward to see one parked, take a selfie and post the picture. I look forward to go test drive one.
I realize many here don’t like the car, most of you are probably younger than I. I’m a 57yo dude, I want to even test drive their so called performance transmission everybody knows it to be a cvt. If the new car drives better than the outgoing car it’s looks ultimately won’t matter. Sadly we will all get to see the new cars stanced with rim lips sticking out the tires. I still love my GD platform cars and still think the 08 narrow body wrx holds the crown as the worst ever.
What truly makes me sad is that there’s still not a wrx wagon.
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Old 01-08-2022, 10:48 PM   #4435
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"Still not a WRX wagon"... in North America. Australia just dropped the "Levorg" name and let it be what it has been: WRX Sport Wagon.

The rear third of the WRX is probably the only thing that won't straight swap from the Levorg. Besides that, order the other two thirds and call it a day!
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Ugly car I won't spend money on. I'll spend my money elsewhere. Seeya Subaru.
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Great car I will spend my money on. I won't spend my money elsewhere. Hello Subaru.
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Old 01-09-2022, 11:38 AM   #4438
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Great car I will spend my money on. I won't spend my money elsewhere. Hello Subaru.
It's not, really. You spend all your hard earned money on something that looks like turd.
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Old 01-09-2022, 12:39 PM   #4439
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It's not, really. You spend all your hard earned money on something that looks like turd.



All those folks that bought a Bugeye.
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It's not, really. You spend all your hard earned money on something that looks like turd.
Yeah, well that's like your opinion man .
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All those folks that bought a Bugeye.
Are sad they got rid of them.
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Old 01-09-2022, 01:47 PM   #4442
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40% of the car? Can you share which one you are looking at, or are you just being facetious? I don't think the aerodynamics were as much focused for speed(if at all) versus keeping it's CoD down to help keep the MPG where it's at being a larger car. Consider how much money they spent in the wind tunnels coming up with designs that gave them what they were looking for. I am sure several designs went through many hours of testing. 1 MPG may make you ; but, it's a significant thing to the manufacturer trying to comply with government mandates. Sacrifices have to be made sometimes, eh? Now, I don't dislike this look; but, can also understand why people don't like it. Had I been given several design choices with and without cladding and asked which I liked, I may have not chosen the cladding. I think the Levorg looks good.
Sure, maybe 1MPG is significant, let’s stick with that argument…they had to go with that much plastic to achieve that????? Cmon..
It’s not that I don’t like it, again, I can live with it just fine, I’m not one of the ones in this thread calling the cladding horrendous. I just think it’s simply for cheapening out purposes. Cmon man, even you can understand this much plastic to achieve 1MPG is complete BS when you yourself were talking about some piece on the roof rails or whatever for (Outback? I dunno) achieved that..
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Sure, maybe 1MPG is significant, let’s stick with that argument…they had to go with that much plastic to achieve that????? Cmon..
It’s not that I don’t like it, again, I can live with it just fine, I’m not one of the ones in this thread calling the cladding horrendous. I just think it’s simply for cheapening out purposes. Cmon man, even you can understand this much plastic to achieve 1MPG is complete BS when you yourself were talking about some piece on the roof rails or whatever for (Outback? I dunno) achieved that..

That 1 MPG for the Impreza() roof rail is why I believe the fenders do something similar. "Cheapening out" purposes? Do you realize how much money they likely spent to figure that out? The only part of it that has me looking sideways is that rear. Again, though I don't mind the look, it is certainly different and I DID find myself hovering over the back more looking at it than the rest of the car.



And "cheapening out"? Lets wait for some part numbers and let me know if you think its cheap then.
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Are sad they got rid of them.



No doubt.
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That 1 MPG for the Impreza() roof rail is why I believe the fenders do something similar. "Cheapening out" purposes? Do you realize how much money they likely spent to figure that out? The only part of it that has me looking sideways is that rear. Again, though I don't mind the look, it is certainly different and I DID find myself hovering over the back more looking at it than the rest of the car.



And "cheapening out"? Lets wait for some part numbers and let me know if you think its cheap then.
No go ahead, enlighten us, how much did they spend to figure that out?
Also enlighten us in what other benefits you claim it provides and if you have figures please. I’m trying to make sense of your argument that they happen to have spent a ton for a 1MPG gain which they easily got in an Impreza in some minute detail, plus whatever other benefits you claim to have. Dude your arguments literally fall flat on their face…

Ahh yes, because what a dealer charges us sheeple for a pos plastic certainly will indicate if something isn’t cheap. Bahahahahaha okay bud.

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The MINI is a retro-styled car.. and the original Minis often had both painted and unpainted fender flares dating back to the 1960s and were completely standard by the 1980s.

Subaru's heritage with unpainted fender flares starts with the XV Crosstrek.
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No go ahead, enlighten us, how much did they spend to figure that out?
Also enlighten us in what other benefits you claim it provides and if you have figures please. I’m trying to make sense of your argument that they happen to have spent a ton for a 1MPG gain which they easily got in an Impreza in some minute detail, plus whatever other benefits you claim to have. Dude your arguments literally fall flat on their face…

Ahh yes, because what a dealer charges us sheeple for a pos plastic certainly will indicate if something isn’t cheap. Bahahahahaha okay bud.
... What? It's not as though the entire car is made of plastic. Plastic cladding was added to the car to enhance its aggressive styling. It would've been cheaper to NOT design the plastic cladding at all, but someone up top felt it was really important to incorporate. Then adding texture most likely cost engineering dollars bucks. No one's gonna know the actual cost. The argument in favor of adding the texture is that if the plastic needed to be added at all, then adding texture note only adds benefit to the consumer, but also Subaru's fleet CAFE average. Wind tunnel testing costs money, btw.

Not quite sure what's so hard to grasp about all of that.
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... What? It's not as though the entire car is made of plastic. Plastic cladding was added to the car to enhance its aggressive styling. It would've been cheaper to NOT design the plastic cladding at all, but someone up top felt it was really important to incorporate. Then adding texture most likely cost engineering dollars bucks. No one's gonna know the actual cost. The argument in favor of adding the texture is that if the plastic needed to be added at all, then adding texture note only adds benefit to the consumer, but also Subaru's fleet CAFE average. Wind tunnel testing costs money, btw.

Not quite sure what's so hard to grasp about all of that.
What’s hard to grasp is that supposedly adding the cladding and all that plastic was hard and expensive, so was designing it and “engineering” the texture (lulzz), plus the wind tunnel (you don’t think Subaru has their own facility for that?), yet all that you and Justy can come up to justify all this supposedly hard and expensive endeavor from Subaru is that it generates a benefit or 1MPG…think about that, does that make any sense to you? Specially when Justy advised that Subaru already got that 1MPG from the Impreza by simply adding some minuscule design to the roof rails or whatever it was… so the argument that it was actually harder and more expensive just doesn’t hold up when you literally can’t come up with any valid “benefit” to compensate for all this “effort”… which again, leads to my conclusion that it was in fact a cheapening cost saving measure. Who knows, I bet they could’ve had less plastic in the original design and decided to add more % of it, specially in the back.
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