2022 Subaru WRX Official Announcement *Merged*

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by KC

*beep* *beep* *beep* goes the backup signal. Congrats on being able to admit you didn't have any data to back up the bankruptcy claim, because it didn't exist. And then trying to tell me to go look for it, when it didn't exist. You admit you use hyperbole to make things seem what they are not.

Even better is now showing you just let your fingers vomit on the keyboard and see what sticks. This one... didn't. And you're all po'ed that you got called on it. More people should do the same to you, and now, all the time.

Next up: Show me links to your proof of a "hail mary restructure" claim. That didn't happen either. My memory is ... just a little hazy, being old and all. Got the links? Or are you just going to make more false claims?

--kC

Now, I certainly wouldn't call it a "hail mary" cause I don't think they were hurting "that bad"(if at all "hurting" really); but, when Doll took over, it was a clear change of direction. People may hate him; but, you can't deny what he's done for the company. Even the Japanese recognized this and promoted him to an unprecedented position within the company.

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[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by carsebuco

Now that we've determined that the new WRX not only looks like trash and has the dyno of a 1980s VW beetle and anyone who says they like it is just a troll, let's move onto the next thing:

The tap-to-turn signal.

What kind of backwards-ass engineer thinks that it's a good idea to have a blinker switch that you have to tap twice ON for it to TURN OFF?

Subaru is clearly losing it.

Could you elaborate a bit more on this description of the function?

[nashcarr]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

The red stripe is there to distract your eye away from the ugly black plastic.

You can put (red) lipstick on a pig (wrx), but it's still ugly with those fenders. Man, oh man, such a complete FAIL.

[nashcarr]

Originally Posted by heavyD

I'm getting a really bad feeling the STI isn't going to come with painted body cladding. This generation could be a turning point of no recovery for these cars. Next gen will probably be a Toyota made EV so it's a shame Subaru would go out with a whimper like this.

Been whimpering for a few years now!

[carsebuco]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

Could you elaborate a bit more on this description of the function?

I honestly had a hard time writing it up in the first place... but the way it works (and it's on the new BRZs as well, probably other cars too) is:

You press the turn signal lever down to turn left. Normally, the lever stays in the "on" position until manually moved upwards or using the automatic control in the steering wheel.

With the new one, you CLICK it down and it automatically returns to the regular resting position. It will still cancel after turning the steering wheel a certain amount, but if you want to manually cancel it, you have to press it up, but not too much otherwise you'll turn the right turn signal instead.

I have seen many newer cars with it, and it's just garbage. It completely throws muscle memory out of the window and makes canceling it while the wheel is turned a nightmare (inb4 why would you cancel it while turning). There is not really a physical click to it, you just have to press it just enough for it to register that you want to cancel it and not turn the other way.

You can watch Doug demonstrate it on the BRZ @ 0954 mark:

The New 2022 Subaru BRZ Is Way Better Than the Original - YouTube

The New 2022 Subaru BRZ Is Way Better Than the Original - YouTube

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by carsebuco

I honestly had a hard time writing it up in the first place... but the way it works (and it's on the new BRZs as well, probably other cars too) is:

You press the turn signal lever down to turn left. Normally, the lever stays in the "on" position until manually moved upwards or using the automatic control in the steering wheel.

With the new one, you CLICK it down and it automatically returns to the regular resting position. It will still cancel after turning the steering wheel a certain amount, but if you want to manually cancel it, you have to press it again.

Thanks for taking the time. This is one of those "little" things they don't tell us about. Like the '22 Forester has changed the way you increase speed while in ACC. It used to be a quick push for 5mph and hold for 1mph. They've swapped that. Which I don't like and it will likely be on the BMC Outback as well when I go to get my new one later this year and I'll have to deal with it. Found that out randomly by driving a friends Wilderness.


We have a BRZ on the lot. I'll have to play with it.



Thanks again.

[carsebuco]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

Thanks for taking the time. This is one of those "little" things they don't tell us about. Like the '22 Forester has changed the way you increase speed while in ACC. It used to be a quick push for 5mph and hold for 1mph. They've swapped that. Which I don't like and it will likely be on the BMC Outback as well when I go to get my new one later this year and I'll have to deal with it. Found that out randomly by driving a friends Wilderness.


We have a BRZ on the lot. I'll have to play with it.



Thanks again.

I went ahead and edited the original post for clarity. Couldn't come up with words at first but what I meant to say is that you have to click it in the opposite direction.

[porusski]

Originally Posted by carsebuco

Now that we've determined that the new WRX not only looks like trash and has the dyno of a 1980s VW beetle and anyone who says they like it is just a troll, let's move onto the next thing:

The tap-to-turn signal.

What kind of backwards-ass engineer thinks that it's a good idea to have a blinker switch that you have to tap twice ON for it to TURN OFF?

Subaru is clearly losing it.

I think you’re losing it. I prefer the more modern design with this newer turn signal.

Like I said before, bunch of boomers in this chat. Not physically, but mentally.

[Snow Drift]

Originally Posted by chanomatik

Isn't the S209 the same car that can't run on Cali gas? Or are we thinking the next STI with S209-power is gonna come with a complementary downpipe, tune, and trailer?



Not legit enough. Prepare for the onslaught of haters!

Cars101 is the Subaru Bible. Although I think the guy stopped updating it awhile ago.

[murrdogg24]

Originally Posted by porusski

I think you’re losing it. I prefer the more modern design with this newer turn signal.

Like I said before, bunch of boomers in this chat. Not physically, but mentally.

I bet you like lava tail lamps also

[kayen]

Originally Posted by murrdogg24

I bet you like lava tail lamps also

Probably shouldn't leave out Altezza tail lamps in this discussion either. God they were so awful.

[porusski]

Originally Posted by murrdogg24

I bet you like lava tail lamps also

Yes, I do like the lava tails. Have you seen them in person?

[RealDealTarheel]

Originally Posted by kayen

Probably shouldn't leave out Altezza tail lamps in this discussion either. God they were so awful.

Whoa, whoa, those tail lamps were saints!!!! Saints!!!!

[Pre]

Originally Posted by porusski

I think you’re losing it. I prefer the more modern design with this newer turn signal.

Like I said before, bunch of boomers in this chat. Not physically, but mentally.

Nah. Most posters here are actually intelligent, and younger demographic. 30-50 years old and no semblance to boomers. Boomers are all in CUV ass.

[Pre]

Originally Posted by KC

*beep* *beep* *beep* goes the backup signal. Congrats on being able to admit you didn't have any data to back up the bankruptcy claim, because it didn't exist. And then trying to tell me to go look for it, when it didn't exist. You admit you use hyperbole to make things seem what they are not.

Even better is now showing you just let your fingers vomit on the keyboard and see what sticks. This one... didn't. And you're all po'ed that you got called on it. More people should do the same to you, and now, all the time.

Next up: Show me links to your proof of a "hail mary restructure" claim. That didn't happen either. My memory is ... just a little hazy, being old and all. Got the links? Or are you just going to make more false claims?

--kC

[SoDealer]

Originally Posted by KC

*beep* *beep* *beep* goes the backup signal. Congrats on being able to admit you didn't have any data to back up the bankruptcy claim, because it didn't exist. And then trying to tell me to go look for it, when it didn't exist. You admit you use hyperbole to make things seem what they are not.

Even better is now showing you just let your fingers vomit on the keyboard and see what sticks. This one... didn't. And you're all po'ed that you got called on it. More people should do the same to you, and now, all the time.

Next up: Show me links to your proof of a "hail mary restructure" claim. That didn't happen either. My memory is ... just a little hazy, being old and all. Got the links? Or are you just going to make more false claims?

--kC

LOL. You're so wrong it's hilarious. Keep twisting in the wind. Just shows how much you try to contribute to things you have no clue about. Congratulations on remembering your signature again.

[SoDealer]

I need to look back at the Levorg thread and see if you were one of the people that did this same thing there. The set up is absolutely worth the serving of the crow for you to eat.

[WRX4US]

The ageism here is despicable.

[JustyWRC]

Originally Posted by carsebuco

I went ahead and edited the original post for clarity. Couldn't come up with words at first but what I meant to say is that you have to click it in the opposite direction.

Gah. That is horrible. Is that something regular on Toyotas? So we can blame them? I blame Subaru for enough as it is.

Originally Posted by kayen

Probably shouldn't leave out Altezza tail lamps in this discussion either. God they were so awful.

Originally Posted by RealDealTarheel

Whoa, whoa, those tail lamps were saints!!!! Saints!!!!

I'm guessing this is a joke? But, I was coming in to comment on how apparently popular they were. Seemed "every" car was getting them.

[chanomatik]

Man I wish I was a boomer. I'd have more interesting things to do than be on this forum.

Alas I am but a humble automotive enthusiast, looking for nuggets of gold in a dry creek bed.

[quentinberg007]

Originally Posted by JustyWRC

Gah. That is horrible. Is that something regular on Toyotas? So we can blame them? I blame Subaru for enough as it is.







I'm guessing this is a joke? But, I was coming in to comment on how apparently popular they were. Seemed "every" car was getting them.

My wife’s MINI works that way. My Corolla hatchback does not.

[Pre]

Originally Posted by chanomatik

Man I wish I was a boomer. I'd have more interesting things to do than be on this forum.

Alas I am but a humble automotive enthusiast, looking for nuggets of gold in a dry creek bed.

It is awfully dry. I find it quite amusing that these idjuts think the older demographic just had a cake walk. Like they didn’t have to bust their tails to get to where they are. I know some boomers. They worked awfully hard, long hours, weekends, etc. Then the younger demographic whines about having to work similarly, nights, weekends, blood sweat and tears. Just is what it is.

Then watching the entire society, consumer products, everything, being wrapped around idjuts with their apps and phones. It’s ridiculous.

I wish I could shut off all the phones for a few days and watch heads explode.

[dcsti]

Originally Posted by SoDealer

LOL. You're so wrong it's hilarious. Keep twisting in the wind. Just shows how much you try to contribute to things you have no clue about. Congratulations on remembering your signature again.

How about you spend the minimal amount of time you've assured all of us it will take to find some actual links? I just read a bunch of Subaru annual reports on their corporate website. As far as I can tell, Subaru had a bad couple of years (2008-9) at the start of the financial crisis, but so did just about everybody else. In Subaru's case, they went from small annual profits to a big loss, which caused a bit of a cash crunch. Toyota jumped in and just about doubled their stake in the company to around 16.5%. Subaru did some cost cutting, including exiting WRC.

The crisis was over in about 2 years, and their sales recovered pretty quickly after that. It doesn't appear that they were in mortal danger, as Toyota was willing to throw a bunch of money at them.

[SoDealer]

Originally Posted by dcsti

How about you spend the minimal amount of time you've assured all of us it will take to find some actual links? I just read a bunch of Subaru annual reports on their corporate website. As far as I can tell, Subaru had a bad couple of years (2008-9) at the start of the financial crisis, but so did just about everybody else. In Subaru's case, they went from small annual profits to a big loss, which caused a bit of a cash crunch. Toyota jumped in and just about doubled their stake in the company to around 16.5%. Subaru did some cost cutting, including exiting WRC.



The crisis was over in about 2 years, and their sales recovered pretty quickly after that. It doesn't appear that they were in mortal danger, as Toyota was willing to throw a bunch of money at them.

Bingo. And FHI ousted their CEO Takenaka (responsible for premium push and airplane grill) and restructured FHI. On the SOA side, SBR ousted Fred Adcock, the highest ranking US exec, ousted and demoted several execs and directors (Rick Crosson, Bill Cyphers, Tim Bennett). Restructured SOA…twice, fired their ad agency…twice. On top of that, FHI was forced to buy Isuzu out of SIA for a $1 and they were drowning in the overhead. There wasn’t anywhere near the demand they needed to fill those shoes. The passenger car market dried up in Japan and Subaru’s meager share of that was even smaller in the growing kei car market which Subaru couldn’t gain traction in at all. FHI was in a free fall. Toyota 100% saved Subaru from insolvency. Analysts at the time questioned Subaru’s long term future even going so far as to say Toyota made a bad bet. Luckily for Subaru, they found the right product and got the right programs in place to ride the crossover boom into being independent enough to not need Toyota’s full on life support. The bad financials FHI suffered for the red fiscal years weren’t financial crisis related as those years are off by a calendar year. 2007 was a year when Automotive boomed. Every Japanese brand was up. Mitsubishi was up. Suzuki was up. Subaru was down. 2008 calendar year saw Subaru along with mini as the only brands up that year . And 2009 was the start of record years. The negative financials were related to tail end of Subaru’s woes from the prior bad product cycle that began with the 2005 Legacy and the accompanying premium strategy that didn’t find enough buyers that bought in to what the brand was trying to sell.

But pop off KC. If you need more, I’ve got more.

[brandon]

Originally Posted by SoDealer

Bingo. And FHI ousted their CEO Takenaka (responsible for premium push and airplane grill) and restructured FHI. On the SOA side, SBR ousted Fred Adcock, the highest ranking US exec, ousted and demoted several execs and directors (Rick Crosson, Bill Cyphers, Tim Bennett). Restructured SOA…twice, fired their ad agency…twice. On top of that, FHI was forced to buy Isuzu out of SIA for a $1 and they were drowning in the overhead. There wasn’t anywhere near the demand they needed to fill those shoes. The passenger car market dried up in Japan and Subaru’s meager share of that was even smaller in the growing kei car market which Subaru couldn’t gain traction in at all. FHI was in a free fall. Toyota 100% saved Subaru from insolvency. Analysts at the time questioned Subaru’s long term future even going so far as to say Toyota made a bad bet. Luckily for Subaru, they found the right product and got the right programs in place to ride the crossover boom into being independent enough to not need Toyota’s full on life support. The bad financials FHI suffered for the red fiscal years weren’t financial crisis related as those years are off by a calendar year. 2007 was a year when Automotive boomed. Every Japanese brand was up. Mitsubishi was up. Suzuki was up. Subaru was down. 2008 calendar year saw Subaru along with mini as the only brands up that year . And 2009 was the start of record years. The negative financials were related to tail end of Subaru’s woes from the prior bad product cycle that began with the 2005 Legacy and the accompanying premium strategy that didn’t find enough buyers that bought in to what the brand was trying to sell.

But pop off KC. If you need more, I’ve got more.

I'd love to see what "more" you have... because absolutely nothing in what you posed supports your statement that "Subaru almost went bankrupt in the mid 2000's making all of the cars enthusiasts would have them make".

Here's the quote from Bloomberg in 2007 (posted by Jon (in CT)... not you "ad nauseum"):

Fuji Heavy Profit Surges as One-Time Charges Decline

By Naoko Fujimura

Feb. 2 (Bloomberg) -- Fuji Heavy Industries Ltd., the maker of Subaru cars, almost doubled its nine-month profit as it spent less on job cuts.

Net income rose 93 percent to 24.7 billion yen ($205 million), or 34.38 yen a share, for the nine months ended Dec. 31, from 12.8 billion yen, or 16.85 yen a share, a year earlier, Fuji Heavy said in a statement today. The Tokyo-based company had a one-time charge of 17 billion yen the previous year on costs that included job cuts and canceling new vehicles. Sales rose 1.9 percent to 1.06 trillion yen, from 1.04 trillion yen.

Fuji Heavy, 8.7 percent owned by Toyota Motor Corp., spent almost 8 billion yen in the previous nine months cutting 700 jobs to shave 7 billion yen in annual costs. The company also took a one-time charge of 5.7 billion yen to cancel a vehicle it was developing with General Motors Corp.'s Saab unit.

Fuji Heavy expects full-year net income to almost double to 30 billion yen from 15.6 billion yen, unchanged from its previous forecast in May. That will be the first annual profit increase in three years.

Last year's profit was squeezed by total one-time charges of 27.3 billion yen. Sales will probably rise 1.6 percent to 1.5 trillion yen.

Nine-month operating profit, or sales minus the cost of goods sold and selling, general and administrative expenses, fell 4.8 percent to 35.8 billion yen. The company said higher incentives in the U.S. and increased research costs trimmed operating profit.

Weaker Yen

Selling less profitable models such as Stella minicars than Legacy station wagons and Forester sport-utility vehicles cut profit by 16.1 billion yen, the company said. Spending on research and development also reduced profit by 4.2 billion yen.

Fuji Heavy based its nine-month earnings on an exchange rate of 116 yen to the dollar, compared with 111 yen a year earlier. The weaker yen increased Fuji Heavy's operating profit by 11.1 billion yen, the company said.

Global sales fell 0.6 percent to 406,000 units in the nine- month period. The company's overseas sales increased 0.6 percent to 246,000 units, while domestic sales declined 2.3 percent to 160,000.

Again... nothing in that states pandering to enthusiats was a problem. It pretty clearly states that supply chain costs and an over sized workforce were the major problems. It is really not all that unusual for companies to post operating cost losses when they're doing a whole bunch of R&D, upgrading facilities, getting ready to launch new models etc. Remember... in the 2000s Subaru redesigned the front end of the Impreza, TWICE. Developed the Baja and the Tribeca, and were trying to develop thier own hybrid system. Those were not pandering to the enthusiasts at all, but would have cost Subaru a boatload. So where are all these examples of the sunk costs of "pandering to the enthusiasts"?