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Old 01-18-2022, 05:32 PM   #4876
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And with that, here's some TORQUE NEWS

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The New Subaru Forester And All-New WRX Still Retain Their Value Best In 2022
Why is the 2022 WRX a good value for sports car shoppers?
The next-generation 2022 Subaru WRX is an even better value for sports car shoppers with a 5-year depreciation of 39.8 percent and the second-best model behind the Porsche 911 at 36.0 percent. The average depreciation of all vehicles is 49.1 percent after five years.
The Subaru WRX is a smart buy for sports car shoppers and a top-10 car with the lowest depreciation of all vehicles. The WRX is the lowest depreciating vehicle in Greensboro-Winston Salem, NC, with a five-year depreciation of only 17.7 percent. The WRX is also the number three best vehicle overall under $35,000.

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Old 01-18-2022, 05:38 PM   #4877
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Guys... I don't want to shut this thread down. So take a deep breath go watch the sunset and have some coffee or a drink. Let's get back on track here.
You got it.

Salient talking points:
- Bumper with shelf to do blow off of
- Adds a large Mt Dew "Blast" cup from Taco Bell of displacement and no hp and little torque.
- New design not close to the concept Viziv or others.
- No details on GT version yet.

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Old 01-18-2022, 06:37 PM   #4878
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Hard to comprehend that when itís the best WRX yet. Youíre saying all previous WRXís are even more stupid? Hmm, alright.
Woah, I'd love (tm) to hear about how awesome it is based on your extensive first hand experience.
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Old 01-18-2022, 07:37 PM   #4879
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Woah, I'd love (tm) to hear about how awesome it is based on your extensive first hand experience.

Yeah, Iíve actually spent time with the car unlike 99.9% of the haters on here.
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Old 01-18-2022, 07:43 PM   #4880
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So what your saying is that the sole reason for the sales success of the WRX is only because it has no direct competition. So winning is like a participation trophy now.
I definitely agree with everyone as far as what should have been on the new Gen, but I think as far as what you get, according to neighboring power levels and capability on the price scale, makes me happy anyway.

And yeah, that's exactly what I was saying. I fully expected this when the Evo was put 6ft under. closest competition are two 2wd vehicles, that even at highest trim still fail to compare as far as safety, re-sale value, off-road/weather capability and a fan-base that will exist as long as the STI does.

The WRX has come a long way. Safety and Tech or at least a period of full on concentration of these elements are needed every once in awhile. More than likely the Re-fresh has the chance to improve just like what happened with the 2008 WRX. And after Subaru gets more data and figures out all the kinks of the 2.4, you'll finally see them pushing the 2.4 even more, (most likely next gen after this one - though that may be a hybrid or electric car by then).

As far as being a last hurrah to ICE WRX's? Well you know, if this car was more powerful then it probably would not be in its current sales bracket, the younger crowds (Its main base) will shy away from those prices, what with all the other economical down-turns that are happening.
I think Subaru did the absolute best they could do given the world situation.
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Old 01-18-2022, 07:49 PM   #4881
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Yeah, Iíve actually spent time with the car unlike 99.9% of the haters on here.
Precisely, if you have been paying attention the people that are the biggest critics of this car weren't going to buy it in the first place. I also agree, this is hands down the best WRX to date. They literally improved on all of the complaints from the VA gen. The interior is a big improvement so is the less punishing chassis/suspension without losing the grip/handling. It will make for a great daily while still being the most capable car in this class due to the AWD, if you want some weekend fun. The two downsides for me are the fuel economy, hopefully you can get low 30's on the highway if you take it easy and the lack of DCC on manual trims.
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Old 01-18-2022, 07:55 PM   #4882
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Show the proof! Sheesh! Even MORE unverifiable claims! LOL

2, what? I'm on #11 if we're talking about Subarus.

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No, and I was specifically referencing I had two AWD manual turbo Subarus from that era. Also had another Subaru from that era.

And overall, I've had more.

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2005 yeah; but, for 2006 they didn't have both colors available for every exterior color and that wouldn't return for quite a while. I was able to change the color on an inbound car when my father was wanting an Outback. Boss let me get in and change it around and add the accessories he wanted. Ultimately he chose a Forester on the lot.
Justy, that's not possible. Subaru's production flexibility system didn't exist back then. You would have had to have found another car in your or someone else's pipeline and had accessories added to it.

On another note... one thing I'm ready for are the comparison tests. GTI/WRX/SI. It's time.
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Old 01-18-2022, 09:16 PM   #4883
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[...]On another note... one thing I'm ready for are the comparison tests. GTI/WRX/SI. It's time.
I'd also add N products from Hyundai; that Elantra N seems feisty.
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Old 01-18-2022, 10:33 PM   #4884
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We just gonna ignore that this thread got so out of hand that BigElm came back from the dead to moderate it?
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Old 01-18-2022, 11:43 PM   #4885
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Justy, that's not possible........



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Old 01-19-2022, 05:27 AM   #4886
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We just gonna ignore that this thread got so out of hand that BigElm came back from the dead to moderate it?
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Old 01-19-2022, 07:32 AM   #4887
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Look at these idiots painting their plastic bits.

https://www.carscoops.com/2022/01/to...om-mz-speed%2F
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Old 01-19-2022, 08:01 AM   #4888
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Look at these idiots painting their plastic bits.

https://www.carscoops.com/2022/01/to...om-mz-speed%2F

Whoa, for a second there I thought the front fender on that Land Cruiser was off of a VA WRX. Yeah, look at that painted plastic cladding. Morons!!
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Old 01-19-2022, 08:10 AM   #4889
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We just gonna ignore that this thread got so out of hand that BigElm came back from the dead to moderate it?
And I've been gone for a long while also. I'm only back because I had high hopes the new STi would be unveiled at TAS. Which, it wasn't. Then I saw some really bad posts from SoDealer and ... the rest is history. Heck, he even posted a warning shot across SoDealers bow in Dec, before I took up posting again.

Anyways... I have zero issue at calling out someone's posts. But one thing I will never do, is attack the person for saying it. That has kept me out of trouble for a long time. People are allowed to have differing opinions, without having to resort to personal attacks or denigration.

Will probably go back to lurking (or not at all for other reasons) until the STi is announced... or the Levorg.

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Old 01-19-2022, 08:28 AM   #4890
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And I've been gone for a long while also. I'm only back because I had high hopes the new STi would be unveiled at TAS. Which, it wasn't. Then I saw some really bad posts from SoDealer and ... the rest is history. Heck, he even posted a warning shot across SoDealers bow in Dec, before I took up posting again.

Anyways... I have zero issue at calling out someone's posts. But one thing I will never do, is attack the person for saying it. That has kept me out of trouble for a long time. People are allowed to have differing opinions, without having to resort to personal attacks or denigration.

Will probably go back to lurking (or not at all for other reasons) until the STi is announced... or the Levorg.

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I'm sorry your gotcha moment didn't materialize. Maybe next time. I'm glad you remembered the spirit of your signature.
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Old 01-19-2022, 09:02 AM   #4891
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Precisely, if you have been paying attention the people that are the biggest critics of this car weren't going to buy it in the first place. I also agree, this is hands down the best WRX to date. They literally improved on all of the complaints from the VA gen. The interior is a big improvement so is the less punishing chassis/suspension without losing the grip/handling. It will make for a great daily while still being the most capable car in this class due to the AWD, if you want some weekend fun. The two downsides for me are the fuel economy, hopefully you can get low 30's on the highway if you take it easy and the lack of DCC on manual trims.
What class is that? compact 4 door sedans?
It will be capable, sure, and competent, and easy to get in and out of due the added ride height. It will carry groceries just fine. I seriously doubt you will ever get 30+mph on the freeway going over 60mph.


It will never win any beauty contests or performance comparisons. You can already bet real money the Golf R will be faster, The GTI is probably dang close if not already faster in most real world driving conditions (AWD clutch drop never happens in real life by real people). The N cars by Hyundia have been eating up the reviews. The new GR corolla may even eat its lunch.

I appreciate you love this thing, and nobody including myself, will ever get you say its ugly as bucket of dog poo.

But objectivity is key. I have owned 10 subarus, 3 WRX's, 2 RS's, and an STI. This new WRX just does not move the ball down the field at all. It is a rehash and softened VA.
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Old 01-19-2022, 09:18 AM   #4892
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Whoa, for a second there I thought the front fender on that Land Cruiser was off of a VA WRX. Yeah, look at that painted plastic cladding. Morons!!
Seriously! They could have gained a few MPGs if they kept them unpainted and made them golf-ball texture.
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Old 01-19-2022, 09:23 AM   #4893
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Seriously! They could have gained a few MPGs if they kept them unpainted and made them golf-ball texture.
I died
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Old 01-19-2022, 10:17 AM   #4894
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You got it.

Salient talking points:
- Bumper with shelf to do blow off of
- Adds a large Mt Dew "Blast" cup from Taco Bell of displacement and no hp and little torque.
- New design not close to the concept Viziv or others.
- No details on GT version yet.

Luv ya!
I looked it up and a Large Taco Bell fountain drink cup is 30 oz or 887 cm3. So, it really added less than half a large cup.
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Old 01-19-2022, 10:22 AM   #4895
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What class is that? compact 4 door sedans?
It will be capable, sure, and competent, and easy to get in and out of due the added ride height. It will carry groceries just fine. I seriously doubt you will ever get 30+mph on the freeway going over 60mph.


It will never win any beauty contests or performance comparisons. You can already bet real money the Golf R will be faster, The GTI is probably dang close if not already faster in most real world driving conditions (AWD clutch drop never happens in real life by real people). The N cars by Hyundia have been eating up the reviews. The new GR corolla may even eat its lunch.

I appreciate you love this thing, and nobody including myself, will ever get you say its ugly as bucket of dog poo.

But objectivity is key. I have owned 10 subarus, 3 WRX's, 2 RS's, and an STI. This new WRX just does not move the ball down the field at all. It is a rehash and softened VA.
None of the cars you mentioned are in WRX's class. We don't know where Corolla GR will end up.
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Old 01-19-2022, 10:47 AM   #4896
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None of the cars you mentioned are in WRX's class. We don't know where Corolla GR will end up.
The WRX is a C-segment car - any "compact" is going to compete with it, regardless body style, drivetrain layout, or fanbois. Every vehicle Scrap mention is a C-segment car (or in the case of "N cars" has a C segment car), this includes the forthcoming GR Corolla, which will be a C-segment car.

If you want to talk USDM - it's a "sport compact" - so any C segment car, with some though given to performance, again regardless of body style or drivetrain layout, is a competitor.

If you class definition for the WRX is "AWD turbo sedan at a certain pricepoint" then it's in it's own class, so is the Type R, so is the STi, and so is just about every car out there. (except for the cookie-cutter bread and butter SUVs/CUVs that are all the same f***ing vehicle with a different badge on them).

Let's state it another way - Your personal preference does not dictate a new vehicle class designation in the industry.
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So price point doesn't matter when determining competition? I realize the Elantra N and GTI are likely competitors to the WRX. But I do find it strange when people constantly bring up the Golf R.
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Old 01-19-2022, 11:43 AM   #4898
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So price point doesn't matter when determining competition? I realize the Elantra N and GTI are likely competitors to the WRX. But I do find it strange when people constantly bring up the Golf R.
Golf R historically was priced like an STI, but with WRX performance. Magazines would make the same comparisons. The new Mk8 is in another league.
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Old 01-19-2022, 11:58 AM   #4899
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To me, it goes like this.

Impreza --- WRX --- STI
Golf --- GTI --- R
Civic --- SI --- Type R
Elantra --- N Sport --- N
Focus --- ST --- RS (all discontinued in the US)
Lancer --- Rallyart --- Evo
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Golf R historically was priced like an STI, but with WRX performance. Magazines would make the same comparisons. The new Mk8 is in another league.
The Golf R is roughly 10k USD more than WRX. I don't know if it is a competitor anymore given the price difference. Car segment does not mean a whole lot when they are priced for different market of consumers. Both the Camry and Panamera are E-segment/ cars, but it will be unfair to compare them.
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