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Old 09-24-2021, 12:01 PM   #2176
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you should be posting about Honda hatches and Ford focus lol....because this is a thread about a 2022 wrx sedan, why wouldn't you post about other brand hatches? things that make you go hmmmmmm


the wrx isnt a hatch anymore, so hatch humpers on here and elsewhere have to come up with something, so they start posting about ctrs and Ford focus when new sedans are released, in an attempt to live vicariously, or in bizzare conspiracy posts imagine that multiple people on the forum are the same person because they are pointing out the attributes of the all new improved wrx sedan, very entertaining lol
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Old 09-24-2021, 12:02 PM   #2177
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See the problem is that your opinion doesn't really matter in the big picture. Guys like you and the other poster I won't name can't afford a new WRX or STI. The opinions that matter are to folks that can afford to walk into a dealership and buy a WRX or STI. I'm not anti-Subaru as I've owned an STI in the past and my wife currently drives an Outback. I am open to and have the means to purchase a WRX or STI but Subaru has done a poor job trying to convince me to buy this new one and by the sounds of things they have done a poor job convincing others here with financial means to buy one. I'm still holding out hope that the STI looks a lot better but I feel I'm pretty subjective (only real negative bias I will admit to is towards Nissan) and going from all the other automotive web sites I frequent as well as other social media it's hard to ignore that this WRX introduction has been an epic disaster. You only have to look at the BRZ thread to see that posters here will give Subaru credit when it delivers a good car. You have to accept that your opinion on this car is a minority opinion. Call us old or whatever other derogatory term you want but that isn't going to change the fact that the masses don't like the car.

My budget is 40K, why would you assume someone can't afford a WRX or STI ?
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Old 09-24-2021, 12:05 PM   #2178
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"The new WRX is ugly, why that's a good thing!"
You remember the old Subaru 360 commercials?

"It may be cheap and ugly....."



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I think it will. I'm not sure if it will match VA sales but I think it will sell fine at least initially as it's a badge car that people will buy regardless of how it looks but I imagine there will be plenty of traditional WRX buyers turned off by the appearance and it's a matter of how long it takes them to come around to accepting the looks if ever.
Will be hard to tell for a while with the chip issues.

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what I can't wrap my head around is why release the legacy xt with 277ft lbs of torque and only release the new 22 wrx with 258. the cvt can handle more than its releasing with. are they trying to leave room for tuners to add more power on their own knowing it can handle more power than its coming with stock. as prime motoring has shown, those that purchase the manual wrx and upcoming STI will have way more power they can unleash from it. it will come down to how far will owner push them. and by doesn't the electric wastegate mean almost no turbo lag

I had a discussion and it came down to the power delivery.



I got to see the new WRX. Woulda likely got to drive it if it weren't for COVID; but, I continue to be in the opposite camp as the design gurus on here. I don't mind the look and I, particularly, like contrast. Now, the rear bumper doesn't "bother" me, but is definitely an odd idea. Seats hold this fat butt comfortably tight........while sitting still. lol. We'll see later about while moving. I've been waiting for the next STI. If it doesn't impress me enough to want one, I'll be ordering myself a GT.
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Old 09-24-2021, 12:16 PM   #2179
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" See the problem is that your opinion doesn't really matter in the big picture. Guys like you and the other poster I won't name can't afford a new WRX or STI. The opinions that matter are to folks that can afford to walk into a dealership and buy a WRX or STI. "

boy are you thick lol...this is the dumbest thing I have read on the net in years lol. so are all the journalist, social media, industry automotive writers and test drivers who review test drive and make their living testing and going over the attributes of many different sports cars, only able to review cars they can afford? how many of them can afford high end porches, ferraris, AMG, etc etc . but review and give scores on them every day? According to you they cant do that because they can't afford the vast majority of those cars lol....gtfo here lmao. STI and WRX are very affordable performance per dollar bargains, Dumbest post nasioc ever, and thats not easy but you pulled it off
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Old 09-24-2021, 12:29 PM   #2180
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Looks like it's meeting time for the Tom Doll Online Defense Force.
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Old 09-24-2021, 01:10 PM   #2181
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Subaru has been pushing 295 ft-lbs through the CVT in Japan for a long time. They're also claiming lots of strength increases since then... CVT can't be the excuse here.

I'm hoping this is due to 87 octane and they add an octane sensor that allows for higher power on 93. I was also hoping the WRX would look as nice as the Levorg, so remains to be seen.
I figured the 4.44 change was to take some pressure off the CVT. Never really thought the old 6 speed could be an issue. My local parts guy at the dealer stays they are still doing 3-5 CVTs a week. That’s gotta hurt SOA.

Again, Toyota has access to Subaru’s CVT tech and added a mechanical first gear to their CVT.

Who really knows?

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Old 09-24-2021, 01:10 PM   #2182
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Looks like it's meeting time for the Tom Doll Online Defense Force.



Did I defend something? Or just state my opinion and a touch of fact?
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Old 09-24-2021, 01:43 PM   #2183
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The CVT can but the manual can't, at least according to Subaru. Hence the power level staying low.
What's the final drive ratio on the manual for front and rear wheels?
Are they still using the same 1.1:1 ratio in the center?
If Subaru wanted to help things out they could have increased the FD ratio(s) like they did for the CVT; obviously, there would be a fuel mileage hit.
Anyway, 258 ft.lb max torque capacity for the 6 M/T? It's hard to accept.
I hope Subaru will unleash FA24DIT in the STI; no torque capacity excuses there.
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Old 09-24-2021, 02:23 PM   #2184
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ummm. subaru stated that they srtengthned and calibrated the new wrx cvt for high performance use...what part of that are some of you NOT COMPREHENDING?
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Old 09-24-2021, 02:31 PM   #2185
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This threads gone to shi t already and it's a long ways away from the actual WRX release
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Old 09-24-2021, 02:38 PM   #2186
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The thread is going just as Subaru had intended it to go.
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Old 09-24-2021, 02:47 PM   #2187
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"It may be cheap and ugly....."





Will be hard to tell for a while with the chip issues.




I had a discussion and it came down to the power delivery.



I got to see the new WRX. Woulda likely got to drive it if it weren't for COVID; but, I continue to be in the opposite camp as the design gurus on here. I don't mind the look and I, particularly, like contrast. Now, the rear bumper doesn't "bother" me, but is definitely an odd idea. Seats hold this fat butt comfortably tight........while sitting still. lol. We'll see later about while moving. I've been waiting for the next STI. If it doesn't impress me enough to want one, I'll be ordering myself a GT.
thats interesting but the legacy xt which is a sedan like the wrx delivers the power and torque just fine to the point where you sometimes feel the thrust under hard acceleration. so are they saying something like the new WRX couldn't put down the power at 277ft lbs like the xt does not. fuel is not an issue as the xt gets that on regular fuel. there seems to be something missing in those numbers unless the numbers themselves are not the real output
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Old 09-24-2021, 02:49 PM   #2188
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ummm. subaru stated that they srtengthned and calibrated the new wrx cvt for high performance use...what part of that are some of you NOT COMPREHENDING?
The part where you typed, “performance”. Could you elaborate please?
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Old 09-24-2021, 02:53 PM   #2189
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You remember the old Subaru 360 commercials?

"It may be cheap and ugly....."





Will be hard to tell for a while with the chip issues.




I had a discussion and it came down to the power delivery.



I got to see the new WRX. Woulda likely got to drive it if it weren't for COVID; but, I continue to be in the opposite camp as the design gurus on here. I don't mind the look and I, particularly, like contrast. Now, the rear bumper doesn't "bother" me, but is definitely an odd idea. Seats hold this fat butt comfortably tight........while sitting still. lol. We'll see later about while moving. I've been waiting for the next STI. If it doesn't impress me enough to want one, I'll be ordering myself a GT.
I still prefer how the STI and S209 look. very little cladding. nice and clean, but I will hold judgement till I see it in person

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I am not going to write off the new CVT just yet. I stumbled on an Outback comparison on MT and that car is surprisingly quick for its weight. I think the GT package is going to be a lot more appealing the it seems. I will have to drive one. This engine is underrated for sure.
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Old 09-24-2021, 03:19 PM   #2191
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I still prefer how the STI and S209 look. very little cladding. nice and clean, but I will hold judgement till I see it in person



I know I am an outlier on a lot of design stuff. I have just been very lucky. The closest I ever got to not being lucky is when I thought I was going to have to buy a Bugeye STi, then they saved me with a refresh. I would have if that's what came; but, whew!! I do like cladding though. I had worked pretty hard to try and get a SUS because I wanted the ground clearance and I liked the color contrast. I go far enough back to HAVE the old base model black bumpers and stuff. I just like contrast. The rear is definitely something of weirdness. I found myself standing behind them just looking longer than I looked at anything else trying to figure out any sort of reason why. But, I certainly wasn't "oh, I'm not buying one because of this".
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Performance is literally in the new name!
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Old 09-24-2021, 04:08 PM   #2194
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Performance is literally in the new name!
Stupid Phat Tranny. They’re going after the vape market.
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Old 09-24-2021, 04:16 PM   #2195
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I am not going to write off the new CVT just yet. I stumbled on an Outback comparison on MT and that car is surprisingly quick for its weight. I think the GT package is going to be a lot more appealing the it seems. I will have to drive one. This engine is underrated for sure.
I agree, the outback wilderness, which is heavier, higher off the ground, and on off-road ready tires is almost as fast as a wrx. something we did not think an outback was capable of doing
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I know I am an outlier on a lot of design stuff. I have just been very lucky. The closest I ever got to not being lucky is when I thought I was going to have to buy a Bugeye STi, then they saved me with a refresh. I would have if that's what came; but, whew!! I do like cladding though. I had worked pretty hard to try and get a SUS because I wanted the ground clearance and I liked the color contrast. I go far enough back to HAVE the old base model black bumpers and stuff. I just like contrast. The rear is definitely something of weirdness. I found myself standing behind them just looking longer than I looked at anything else trying to figure out any sort of reason why. But, I certainly wasn't "oh, I'm not buying one because of this".
I don't really mind the cladding on the wrx, I just like the cleaner look a look better. but as you said, how it drives may make all the difference. we forget that some of the best driving cars are not bought for their looks
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I know I am an outlier on a lot of design stuff. I have just been very lucky. The closest I ever got to not being lucky is when I thought I was going to have to buy a Bugeye STi, then they saved me with a refresh. I would have if that's what came; but, whew!! I do like cladding though. I had worked pretty hard to try and get a SUS because I wanted the ground clearance and I liked the color contrast. I go far enough back to HAVE the old base model black bumpers and stuff. I just like contrast. The rear is definitely something of weirdness. I found myself standing behind them just looking longer than I looked at anything else trying to figure out any sort of reason why. But, I certainly wasn't "oh, I'm not buying one because of this".
I believe those Recaro seats will hopefully be standard on limited STI and an option on the base trim sti. plus we can wait and see if subaru will release a performance package with brembos, no moonroof, and Recaro seats with the manual tranny

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Old 09-24-2021, 05:12 PM   #2198
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Bugeye was pretty stripped down. Black side skirts, chrome headlight housings with amber, 16 inch wheels with crap tires, crap brakes, small hood scoop. The JDM v7 STI was really good looking IMO. It's not like the peanut blob eye got rave reviews anyway. There was plenty of hate for that design. But all was forgiven because it didn't grow to supersized levels, was all painted, and didn't try hard to look like well, all the Subaru CUVs at that time were painted so it did fit in with all the CUVs in the lineup. So I guess mission accomplished Subaru - keeping it real.
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I am not going to write off the new CVT just yet. I stumbled on an Outback comparison on MT and that car is surprisingly quick for its weight. I think the GT package is going to be a lot more appealing the it seems. I will have to drive one. This engine is underrated for sure.

The turbo Outback with the CVT is... it's ok, in manual mode. In automatic mode it is atrocious, the transmission hesitates before you get anything from it. I wouldn't want it in a WRX.
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The turbo Outback with the CVT is... it's ok, in manual mode. In automatic mode it is atrocious, the transmission hesitates before you get anything from it. I wouldn't want it in a WRX.

Maybe they can mess around with the tuning. The 7 DSG is atrocious in the D mode, it lugs the engine in all gears. There is a huge delay and it feels like a dog. The S mode is a lot better but only really shines a WOT. You would need an aftermarket tune to really get the best out of it but at the expense of messing with the warranty. I am going to stay open minded and give the new CVT WRX a chance but I am not holding my breath because Subaru OEM tuning is usually pretty terrible. The CVT GT model has a lot of potential IF they can make if feel like a conventional sporty automatic. Also, if the price is around 35K and it can put down low 5's 0-60 and the quarter in the 13's at triple digit trap speed, I think it will be an attractive package.
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