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Old 12-23-2021, 05:56 PM   #26
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These two are definitely the same car. I spied that white one on the toyota release. It's a little subdued and didn't get the attention that the other concepts got, but honestly I feel like this concept shows the most promise for a normally priced ev performance car.

Subaru (or toyota), you are back to having my full attention.
That is an SUV. It says bz Compact SUV.

However, the one behind it is interesting.
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Old 12-23-2021, 06:19 PM   #27
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doubt it...
For him to be right, the 2022 WRX and 23 STI (EJ powered) have to be discontinued by the 2025 MY, replaced with performance hybrid or full EV versions.


OMG he might end up right about all of it.
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Old 12-24-2021, 11:03 AM   #28
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https://insideevs.com/news/556568/su...ti-ev-concept/

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Subaru Teases Tokyo-Bound STI E-RA Electric Concept

If youíre a driving (and especially rallying) enthusiast who also likes EVs, then this should really get your blood pumping.

The three letters that have always designated the hottest of Subaruís rally-bred offerings, STI (short for Subaru Tecnica International), are being used for an EV for the very first time. Subaru has just teased a concept it calls the STI E-RA and it announced the study will be fully revealed on January 14, at the Tokyo Motor Show.

Information on this upcoming project is quite limited, but the manufacturer did say the STI E-RA is a

Study model for future motorsport vehicles toward a carbon neutral era.

STI is showcasing the STI E-RA CONCEPT developed in a new project launched with an aim of gaining experience and practice in new technologies in the world of motorsport which is making its way toward a carbon neutral era.
No mention is made about a possible production model spawned by the concept, but in the sole teaser shot provided, the vehicle appears to wear some production-ready headlights that get C-shaped running light LED strips, as well as some very clearly defined projectors within the light clusters.

It doesnít appear to have a Subaru badge up front, at least not one thatís visible in the teaser, which shows the front fascia obscured by some steam or smoke. There also appear to be some slats on the point of the upper part of the C-shaped DRLs, although weíre not sure whatís actually there; two additional cutouts are visible in the front part of the hood.

Another thing we are not sure about is the body style. It could very well be a rally-inspired electric sedan, but it could also be a coupe or even some type of higher-riding crossover-type vehicle. We hope itís the first and not the last of these, because while there already are plenty of cool electric crossovers (even Subaruís own Solterra), there arenít that many fun electric sedans and one bearing an STI badge sounds like it could do the trick.

One part of the package that we can safely speculate upon is the fact that this STI E-RA vehicle will surely have a dual-motor setup to bestow it with all-wheel drive. Despite the fact that Subaru has made no mention of this yet, weíre pretty sure this will prove true, although we donít know what kind of performance Subaru will give it.

It will surely be more than the brandís first EV, the Solterra, which even with two motors, one driving each axle, still only produces a combined 215 horsepower. We expect a production-spec STI EV from Subaru to make upward of 300 horsepower, maybe closer to 400 horsepower in order to overcome the extra weight of the batteries and to give it performance similar to gas-burning models that wear this badge.
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Old 12-24-2021, 11:48 AM   #29
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These two are definitely the same car. I spied that white one on the toyota release.
Maybe, maybe not. Headlights are different, in that the white one doesn't have the lights shown on the subaru concept. You can see HIDs in the subaru, not there on the Toyota.

Also, I know it's cosmetic, but there are hood 'inlets' on the STi (i.e. Ford GT40) that are not on the Toyotas.

Go here, and scroll down to the 'Car Lineup' section, bottom pic shows a bit more detail than the pic attached here.

https://www.subaru.jp/tas/?=sppfa&_g...011.1640240238

I would say more influenced? Sure. But the profiles from the Subaru concept on the stage in the link above (the really low one all the way to the right) and the toyota suv are quite, drastically, different.

The 2nd from the left? That may be a new concept that's fully EV. THAT may be more like the White toyota... I'll concede that, but I don't think that is our new STi.

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Old 12-25-2021, 12:37 PM   #30
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I heard it runs new flat battery technology
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Old 12-25-2021, 01:49 PM   #31
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Maybe, maybe not. Headlights are different, in that the white one doesn't have the lights shown on the subaru concept. You can see HIDs in the subaru, not there on the Toyota.

Also, I know it's cosmetic, but there are hood 'inlets' on the STi (i.e. Ford GT40) that are not on the Toyotas.

Go here, and scroll down to the 'Car Lineup' section, bottom pic shows a bit more detail than the pic attached here.

https://www.subaru.jp/tas/?=sppfa&_g...011.1640240238

I would say more influenced? Sure. But the profiles from the Subaru concept on the stage in the link above (the really low one all the way to the right) and the toyota suv are quite, drastically, different.

The 2nd from the left? That may be a new concept that's fully EV. THAT may be more like the White toyota... I'll concede that, but I don't think that is our new STi.

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Old 12-25-2021, 06:52 PM   #32
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doubt it...
If you fling enough retarded **** against the wall eventually something you said will kinda, sorta, be somewhat similar to something that eventually happens.

Though, I donít recall him ever saying ďsubaru is going to stick their logo on a Toyota concept car and pass it off as their own.Ē
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Old 12-28-2021, 05:05 PM   #33
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Maybe, maybe not. Headlights are different, in that the white one doesn't have the lights shown on the subaru concept. You can see HIDs in the subaru, not there on the Toyota.

Also, I know it's cosmetic, but there are hood 'inlets' on the STi (i.e. Ford GT40) that are not on the Toyotas.

Go here, and scroll down to the 'Car Lineup' section, bottom pic shows a bit more detail than the pic attached here.

https://www.subaru.jp/tas/?=sppfa&_g...011.1640240238

I would say more influenced? Sure. But the profiles from the Subaru concept on the stage in the link above (the really low one all the way to the right) and the toyota suv are quite, drastically, different.

The 2nd from the left? That may be a new concept that's fully EV. THAT may be more like the White toyota... I'll concede that, but I don't think that is our new STi.
The similarities in the C-shaped ring of LED's plus that protruding nose thing, and knowing that Subaru and Toyota are in this EV thing together right now all just point to these being based on the exact same car. It does look like the image teased by Subaru is a bit more developed into a road-going vehicle than the concept Toyota one that lacked any sort of actual headlight. Maybe proof that Subaru took the reigns on the design of this one, rather than what happened with the Solterra where it seems like Toyota designed that one...

The "inlets" could just be black stickers - stripes if you will... hard to tell from that image.

The covered car on the right of the Subaru page looks like some sort of race prototype. That's lower than the BRZ race car all the way on the left... Definitely not some sort of concept car for a production vehicle.

The second from the right, that's the car I'm talking about. Look at the proportions of it next to the levorg - slightly jacked up, like a small CUV, exactly what Toyota called theirs.


All conjecture until the 14th, but I'd put money on a sporty EV from Subaru being substantially similar to that white vehicle that Toyota showed, at least based on the images that we've been provided thus far.
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Old 01-10-2022, 06:28 PM   #34
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Looks more like the white concept car, but with headlights instead of just LEDs.
Yeah. Some cars I think the LED bar looks good on, most.... Not so much
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1088PS!!!



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Old 01-13-2022, 08:55 PM   #36
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Subaru Tecnica International (STI) is an STI near-future motorsport study project "STI" with the aim of gaining experience and training in new technologies in the world of motorsports in a carbon-neutral era centered on global warming countermeasures. The "E-RA CHALLENGE PROJECT" has been launched, and the concept car of the "STI E-RA * 1" that has been under development in this project will be unveiled at the Tokyo Auto Salon to be held from January 14, 2022.

The first goal of this model is to challenge a lap time of 400 seconds (6 minutes 40 seconds) in a time attack at the NŁrburgring circuit after 2023 after repeating driving experiments including domestic circuits in 2022.

In order for STI to further emphasize Subaru's uniqueness, such as "enjoyment of driving" and "absolute sense of security," the system will be up to 800kW (1088) by utilizing the knowledge of "all-wheel control technology," which is Subaru's strength. The high output of ***13232 is controlled by the newly adopted original 4-motor 4-wheel torque vectoring technology.***12288;

The motor uses a gear for hyper EV supplied by Yamaha Motor Co., Ltd., a large torque high-speed type with an integrated inverter, and is driven by a lithium-ion battery with a storage capacity of 60kWh.
The unique torque vectoring system is a driver-oriented control that puts the enjoyment of driving as the most important issue, and by equalizing the balance to the grip limit of each of the four wheels, the grip level is raised to the maximum and the vehicle body It is a technology to stabilize the posture.
In order to obtain the maximum effect, it is the best means to independently apply the optimum drive torque to the four wheels as the load moves, such as wheel speed, vehicle speed, steering angle, G, yaw rate, brake pressure, and wheel load. Signals from various sensors such as these are calculated in real time, the drive braking torque of each wheel is determined so that it becomes the target stability factor, and instructions are given to the inverter.

The structure that is highly responsive because the motors are directly attached to the four wheels and that can directly control the yaw of the car body is considered as a system that can maximize the vehicle kinetic performance, and future motor sports vehicles (FIA E- Since it is included in the regulation of GT), we consider it to be the optimal direction for us to work on.

In order to continue to create cars that everyone wants to drive safely and comfortably, STI will continue to challenge motorports and continue to refine its technology, and will utilize the knowledge gained from this project as an initiative for the future electrified society. increase.
STI will continue to create new value so that cars will continue to be enjoyable and enrich the lives of our customers even in such a decarbonized society.***12288;

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1088PS!!!
Also the Earned Run Average...


Its not a street car, just a Gran turismo like prototype racecar.... *shrug*
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Video unveil with timestamp (12:21)
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Where's the red Toyota one with the M3 nostrils?
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Wrong thread.

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Also the Earned Run Average...


Its not a street car, just a Gran turismo like prototype racecar.... *shrug*
wow, what a disappointment.
I thought this was going to be a look into the future of what Subaru might bring.
Finally revealed, its just a fantasy car

Soltera STI - How to continue watering down the STI brand...
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Not a fantasy car. It has the same purpose as the VW ID.R: to try and set a time and Nordschleife. (slower than ID.R, but still... lol)
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Encouraging to see them trying something, but it's odd to set a goal of being substantially slower than a competitor. It's okay to show up slower than the competition, but don't set that as the goal... Lame.
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Also.. why is there a roof scoop?
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One possible good news about the STI E RA concept is their partnership with Yamaha on the drive torque vectoring system. Maybe they will continue this with future EV systems


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Also.. why is there a roof scoop?
Cooling of the batteries?
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One possible good news about the STI E RA concept is their partnership with Yamaha on the drive torque vectoring system. Maybe they will continue this with future EV systems




Cooling of the batteries?
ID.R didn't have any intake duct

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ID.R didn't have any intake duct
EVs still have radiator and brake cooling. That ID.R either had ducts upfront (see bumper) or elsewhere.
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It's hard to make out, but the ID.R has two side ducts that could feed into a central tunnel behind the cockpit much like the E-RA. The ducts are immediately behind the side glass and the tunnel is carbon fiber and has the white 94 numbers on it.



Speculating from the article above, the E-RA has a large motor that likely lives under the ducting mid-engine style feeding 4 individual motors at each hub. Such a large unit and batteries likely requires massive cooling. The ID.R has two smaller motors on each axle as well as smaller battery packs. Cooling might be less concentrated in one area and located at each axle and the side ducts and tunnel is for whatever setup they have for cooling the batteries.
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Why is it that people expect cars to be the same? Just because one doesn't do it, it makes no sense for another to. But, then complain that the car is the same as something else?
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