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Old 07-22-2002, 01:49 PM   #1
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Angry What Lance has to deal with for being a great cyclist, kinda long

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MONT VENTOUX, France -- As he closes in on a fourth straight Tour de France title, Lance Armstrong is hearing a familiar but unwelcome chant from fans lining the route.


On Sunday, after another strong performance in the mountains extended his overall lead to almost 4 minutes, Armstrong had heard enough.


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"If I had a dollar for every time somebody yelled, `Doe-PAY! Doe-PAY!' (French for 'Doped! Doped!'), I'd be a rich man,'' he said. "It's disappointing.''


Thanks to a stunning sprint up the formidable Mont Ventoux on Sunday, Armstrong stretched his lead over Joseba Beloki in the standings to 4 minutes, 21 seconds.


The run wasn't enough for the Texan to take the stage, though. Armstrong finished third, 2:20 behind winner Richard Virenque of France, who led for the last 125 miles of the 137-mile 14th leg.


Thousands of fans turned out for the stage, but not all were on Armstrong's side.


"The people are not very sportsmanslike, some of them,'' the U.S. Postal Service rider said. "A boo is a lot louder than a cheer. If you have 10 people cheering and one person booing, all you hear is the boo.''


Many fans waved the U.S. flag and banners with Armstrong's name Sunday. But they were outnumbered by those supporting the French, Belgian, Italian and German riders, among others.


Virenque is one of the riders who's most popular with French fans, even though two years ago he confessed to taking drugs when competing for the Festina team. That whole squad, including Virenque, was thrown out of the 1998 Tour when a stash of banned drugs was found in a team car.


Since he started dominating the Tour in 1999, Armstrong has heard accusations of drug use. He steadfastly denies using performance enhancers and never has failed a drug test.


He said he couldn't understand the behavior of fans who jeer him.


"I think it's an indication of their intelligence,'' he said. "I'm not here to be friends with a bunch of people who stand at the side of the road, who've had too much to drink, and want to yell.


"It's an issue of class: Do you have class, or do you not have class? That's not the way a classy person acts.''


Armstrong added that the gibes didn't affect him, although he looked tense.


"I don't really care. Nor will I care in three or four years when I'm sitting on the beach with my kids, having a cool beer,'' he said.


Virenque's win was the fifth stage victory of his Tour career but the first since returning from a nine-month ban that prevented him from riding in last year's competition.


He drew the ban for admitting to drug use in a trial that grew out of the Festina scandal. At the time, he said the suspension would likely end his career, but he later joined the Domo Farm Frites team, for which he still rides.


"At the foot (of the Ventoux), I didn't believe I could do it,'' Virenque said Sunday. "The public carried me.''


He clocked 5 hours, 43 minutes, 26 seconds in the stretch through the Languedoc and Provence regions, where temperatures soared to 95 degrees.


Russia's Alexander Botcharov was second, 1:58 behind.


Armstrong hasn't won a stage at the Ventoux in five attempts, including the 2000 Tour and three editions of the Dauphine Libere race.


"I didn't come here to win the Mont Ventoux,'' he said. "I came here to win the Tour de France.''


There are six stages remaining in the three-week event, including three mountain stages in the Alps, but Armstrong's rivals are unlikely to reduce his big lead. Monday is a rest day.


Mont Ventoux rears up 6,309 feet from flat countryside in southeastern France. The summit is a barren landscape of white rocks with no trees or shrubs.


The Ventoux is probably the toughest climb in France. In the 1967 Tour, British rider Tom Simpson suffered a fatal heart attack near the summit because of heat exhaustion and use of amphetamines.


Two fans -- an adult and an 11-year-old child -- were slightly injured Sunday when they were hit by police motorbikes from the Tour convoy in separate accidents. Both fans were trying to cross the road taken by the Tour when the accidents occurred.


Last week, a 7-year-old boy was killed by a car from the Tour convoy.
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You expect anything less than poor character from the French?

A little known nugget of joy about the French is that they sold out more allied airmen for the bounty than they helped to rescue.

Viva la France......
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Old 07-22-2002, 01:59 PM   #3
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What's your point? He's an american in France. He's not going to be popular in another country. It's normal, it happens in every sport. Look at the World Cup and the matches Korea played in. I don't know what you are trying to say. If he's not happy, he can stay in the good old USA and not go there.
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the Frogs piss me off. They are rude, elitist, and completely ignorant toward Americans. Spineless pukes. Not all of course, but just about every one of them I've met.
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What's your point? He's an american in France. He's not going to be popular in another country. It's normal, it happens in every sport. Look at the World Cup and the matches Korea played in. I don't know what you are trying to say. If he's not happy, he can stay in the good old USA and not go there.
That's incorrect. Michael Jordan is loved everywhere he goes, even France. He is the most recognizable person on the planet if I remember correctly.

Lance Armstrong is the Michael Jordan of cycling. Actually he's better than that. This guy was on the verge of death, and made a comeback to win multiple Tour De France races. He's also tested negative to every drug test ever. If that doesn't command respect, then those people have NO class and NO integrity. They're just poor sports because it's another American kicking everyone else's ass because he worked harder than they did. They're just sore losers.
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Old 07-22-2002, 02:13 PM   #6
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Jordan's case is different, he doesn't play in other leagues in other countries, not seriously at least.
Look at what the americans do to Colin Mongomerie when he comes to play on the US PGA tour, shouting when he hits, cheering when he misses putts. There are idiots everywhere in the world, yes, even in America.
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Old 07-22-2002, 02:33 PM   #7
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I truely dislike the French. They can't face it we're beating them at their own game. Why do they think they are so much better then us? We (britian/US) freed France from Germany in WW2 and if that wasn't enough, we helped rebuild their country.

:monkey: F-you Frenchy's

Thanks Lance for being strong and representing the US in a positive way. I wouldn't have as much class as him.

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Old 07-22-2002, 02:43 PM   #8
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Heh...even Canadians have a bit of a hard time with the Quebecois! ain't that right, Goose?
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Jordan's case is different, he doesn't play in other leagues in other countries, not seriously at least.
Look at what the americans do to Colin Mongomerie when he comes to play on the US PGA tour, shouting when he hits, cheering when he misses putts. There are idiots everywhere in the world, yes, even in America.

I think, and I could be wrong, but Colin Montgomery did some stuff to piss a lot of Americans off. I don't remember exactly but he made some statements on TV or interviews about either the American players or American spectators at PGA events. He did some instigating of some kind. Not that it's ok for us to treat him poorly, but you know how we get when someone bad mouths us.

Lance on the other hand did absolutely no instigating at all. And the fact that the Frogs are accusing Lance of drug use is inexcusable. LOW class.
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I think, and I could be wrong, but Colin Montgomery did some stuff to piss a lot of Americans off. I don't remember exactly but he made some statements on TV or interviews about either the American players or American spectators at PGA events. He did some instigating of some kind. Not that it's ok for us to treat him poorly, but you know how we get when someone bad mouths us.

Lance on the other hand did absolutely no instigating at all. And the fact that the Frogs are accusing Lance of drug use is inexcusable. LOW class.
That'll be when he complained about the US players / fans jumping about and celebrating, trampling all over the green before Europe had taken their last putt, which could have levelled the scores (not a big golf fan, but I remember this happening).
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The US players were not very gentleman-like when they jumped you must admit. Monty was picked on well before the incident though. They do it because he reacts to it and gets mad, not because he made comments on US players
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Anyways there are unsportsman-like behaviours everywhere in the world and saying that americans are super sporty and non bias when other sportsmen come to compete in the US is just...well you know the word for it.
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Anyways there are unsportsman-like behaviours everywhere in the world and saying that americans are super sporty and non bias when other sportsmen come to compete in the US is just...well you know the word for it.
Yeah but accusing an athlete of drug use just because he's kicking your ass is total crap. That just makes them look even worse.
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Yeah but accusing an athlete of drug use just because he's kicking your ass is total crap. That just makes them look even worse.
Drug use has been so prevalent in professional cycling that they just assumed that Lance must be taking some since it appears impossible for anyone to make such an incredible comeback after cancer. They're just a jealous bunch since a Frenchman hadn't won the tour since Benard Hinault.
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Drug accusations(sp) and the Tour is commonplace. Every year the leaders get accused by the French and Frensh press. Nothing new. IMO it purely comes down to the press wanting to sell papers and the public getting caught up in it all. In 1998 the tour was almost cancelled cuz the riders staged a road block for the way the tour organizers handled the whole drug investigation. It ended up being a big cluster*uck.

Like Lance said these so-called bike racing fans have ZERO class. Just an excuse to wash down some beer.

Lance I am sure is prolly spending much less time on this subject than we are. He is pretty thick skinned from his incredible past. I am willing to bet it only adds a little more fuel to his intense fire anyways.

Bring em on! :monkey:

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Yeah but accusing an athlete of drug use just because he's kicking your ass is total crap. That just makes them look even worse.
We (Americans) do that our own too, though. I mean how many times are baseball players accused of taking drugs a day? Look at Mark McGwire when he broke the single season home run record. There was all sorts of steroids talk. There are people all over the world with low self esteem that want people better than them to be cheating so they don't feel so bad. Lance is an amazing person and deserves every ounce of repect that he gets. Who do you know that can hold upwards of 20 miles an hour uphill for 5 hours? I used to have a car that couldn't do that. As for the frenchies, i love france but they appear to be beaten at their own game and who's gonna take that well. My .02, take it or leave it.

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Drug use has been so prevalent in professional cycling that they just assumed that Lance must be taking some since it appears impossible for anyone to make such an incredible comeback after cancer. They're just a jealous bunch since a Frenchman hadn't won the tour since Benard Hinault.
Don't kid yourself. Drugs have been prevalent in cycling just as much if not less than in all other sports.

The only reason you would make such a statement is because of the fallout over the past few years.

Currently, cycling is one of the cleanest (relatively speaking) sports out there because of the whole Festina affair. Cycling still has a long way to go, but at least we can see the light at the end of the tunnel. 99% of other sports haven't even opened the closet yet and found the skeletons.
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Don't kid yourself. Drugs have been prevalent in cycling just as much if not less than in all other sports.

The only reason you would make such a statement is because of the fallout over the past few years.

Currently, cycling is one of the cleanest (relatively speaking) sports out there because of the whole Festina affair. Cycling still has a long way to go, but at least we can see the light at the end of the tunnel. 99% of other sports haven't even opened the closet yet and found the skeletons.
The recent fallout just demonstrates what's been going on for years. They're only getting caught now because of increased testing. Everything I've read suggests that doping was commonplace. I say "was" because I agree with you that it's much cleaner now than its ever been.
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Hah... I remember from Lance's book about how they were saying that he was so superhuman because of the chemo treatment he went under! That was just fuggin' appalling to hear. Chemotherapy, which is KILLING you, and they say it is what made him so good... Wow.
Also, about the French and their sportsmanlike ways... Look at Francois Delacour... lol.
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The French press is simply out of ammo. Last year dissproved, once and for all, that Lance and US Postal don't break the doping rules.

Understand that EVERYONE in the Pro peleton takes something. Whether that be a vitamin cocktail, or something not covered by the UCI doping rules. Did you know that almost everyone gets a saleen drip after each stage? Why? There's no other way to rehydrate fast enought.

Lance focuses on 1 race only, the TDF. He has a couple of training races, and then goes to the WC after the TDF. That's it. All the other major contenders ride other big races because they have to, else lose their rides. No one else has ever focused on the TDF with so much science and pre-riding the courses.

There is only 1 man that was a threat this year--Beloki. He is no longer a factor unless Lance has bad luck (crash/flats/illness).

The French continue to be upset because they don't have a serious contender.
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Understand that EVERYONE in the Pro peleton takes something. Whether that be a vitamin cocktail, or something not covered by the UCI doping rules. Did you know that almost everyone gets a saleen drip after each stage? Why? There's no other way to rehydrate fast enought.

Lance focuses on 1 race only, the TDF. He has a couple of training races, and then goes to the WC after the TDF. That's it. All the other major contenders ride other big races because they have to, else lose their rides. No one else has ever focused on the TDF with so much science and pre-riding the courses.
I agree with most of your post but just be careful with your wording. When you say everyone "takes" something it sounds like doping. Vitamin cocktails and drips are legit (and as you pointed out necessary).

True, Lance doesn't do as many races as other riders...does that make him any less of a champion? The day of the Merckx's is over. Is there any rider as dominant as he was, throughout the entire season? Nope. Take Johan Museeu (sp)...sure he does well in the sping classics...but he might as well not even race the rest of the season. He doesn't do ****. The top contenders for the Giro were dopers (Simoni, etc...), seems like every year some new "nobody" comes out of the woodwork and wins the world championship...so why single Lance out as doing only one race? I think Indurain was the last contemporary rider to do what you imply Lance doesn't or can't.
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Also, about the French and their sportsmanlike ways... Look at Francois Delacour... lol.
What exactly has he done to be labled as unsportsmanlike? There was that issue last year with Panizzi and he about illegal recon of stages by Panizzi, but that's all I can think of....

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If I rememebr right, his reported last words were, "Put me back on my bike...." Seriously, but I can't remember where I read that.

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Lance does take some heat for only going after one race. A few other riders in the past also focused on the TdF. Miguel Indurain for one and possibly Lemond. I remember Indurain taking criticism for this. Hey "Indutrain" still won.

As for Hinault, his last win was at the cost of Lemond's loyalty. He told Lemond to slow down to help Bernard and never reciprocated. that was the end of the Hinault/lemond relationship. Greg could have easily won that year.

Back in the day they used to smoke cigarettes on the mtn stages to help them Towards the end of a stage they would also injest a little packet called an atom bomb. It was a mixture of highly cafinated expresso, whiskey, sugar and few other ingredients that escape me. Just a little juice for that extra kick

I did here Paul and Phil say the peloton gave Lance the nickname "the Cannibal"

Who were the other "cannibals"?

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I agree with most of your post but just be careful with your wording. When you say everyone "takes" something it sounds like doping.
"taking" something does not mean drugs in my mind. Any serious athlete must use supplements of some kind to continue working at such high levels.

Even when I was racing Cat 3, I was taking Pyruvate, CoQ10, and L-carnetine before races (as advised by my coach). The only purpose was to let my heart work more efficiently. Honestly, it didn't make much difference for me.

But, taking anything specifically banned by the rules is doping to me.
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Something to keep in mind...

Football (Soccer) Hooligans!

Quitcherbitchen Lance,

That guy from Columbia got capped for making a simple mistake, by his own countrymen too!

Out of all sports, I think Soccer fans are the most finatical. Try kicking a penalty shot in a rivals stadium. In any proffessional sport your gunna have to deal with hecklers

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