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Old 12-18-2017, 01:32 PM   #976
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Actually people have been begging for carbon fiber parts and red seat belts for years. Do t underestimate the want. It's strong around these parts.
Begging to spend 8k for them? Where's the Recaro seats more people have begged for...

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Old 12-18-2017, 01:54 PM   #977
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^ those make me they were left out ... tbh though, they look great and all, but all the current seats need is more thigh bolstering like the late model GDs had. And an 11:1 steering ratio to carry on the tradition.
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Old 12-18-2017, 02:16 PM   #978
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I mean cheating is just finding a way around rules, VW just didn't believe in a no win scenario.
Disagree... finding a way around rules is using loopholes. Technically legal, but morally wrong. What they did was clearly violate a rule that was in place, but not being tested for actively. Then they got caught.

The legality of what they did is not questionable. It's been held up in court and VW pled guilty.

What I want is Scrappy to quit twisting facts about what VW did so he can push an anti-environmentalist agenda. They pulled an illegal move. If he wants to argue about the environmental aspect of what they did or the financial consequence, that belongs elsewhere, imo. They illegally cheated on emissions testing to the benefit of MPG and power.

Whatever, VW's diesel program didn't impact the R's engine, nor it's superiority to the EJ, so I'm done.
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Old 12-18-2017, 02:28 PM   #979
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Disagree... finding a way around rules is using loopholes. Technically legal, but morally wrong. What they did was clearly violate a rule that was in place, but not being tested for actively. Then they got caught.

The legality of what they did is not questionable. It's been held up in court and VW pled guilty.

What I want is Scrappy to quit twisting facts about what VW did so he can push an anti-environmentalist agenda. They pulled an illegal move. If he wants to argue about the environmental aspect of what they did or the financial consequence, that belongs elsewhere, imo. They illegally cheated on emissions testing to the benefit of MPG and power.

Whatever, VW's diesel program didn't impact the R's engine, nor it's superiority to the EJ, so I'm done.
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Old 12-18-2017, 02:37 PM   #980
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Hey I never said it was not cheating. I just said they exploited a weakness in the testing and it was clever. Never made any ethical or moral claims. They took advantage of a weakness, and at some level rolled the dice. They got burned. They paid the price. Whether it was worth it or not, is up to their bean counters to decide. They are very much still raking in money.

As for me being anti environmental. I know folks of some political persuasion LOVE TO slap labels on people for everything from how they walk or talk or what they drive, or what they believe, but I am far from anti environmental. I am pro environment. I do not litter, I do not dump oil or antifreeze everywhere. I even put my bottles in plastic recycle containers.

I just have common sense about environmental gains versus what people seem to think is necessary. I do not cry over every fallen tree. But I hate deforestation. I do not worry about the plight of the left handed three towed brine shrimp of calcutta if it means its survival means thousands of humans starve or are put out of work.

You see I am like most normal people who refuse to panic at every news forecast and I question everything. I worry about the world, but I also do not over worry about it.

so I know it helps to label me as this or that, so it makes it easier to throw rocks. But what I am is a realist.
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Old 12-18-2017, 03:00 PM   #981
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so I know it helps to label me as this or that, so it makes it easier to throw rocks. But what I am is a realist.
The environmental skepticism is almost ubiquitous. You may view it as "being like most normal people", but it's all relative. I consider my position to be "like most normal people" but those around me lean a significantly different direction than those you are around.

What bothers me is stating that you congratulate a company for doing something illegal, and feel justified so because of background environmental beliefs. The entire company benefited from increased revenue due to this snafu. They've been punished. Comparing it to other manufacturer snafu's is wrong, imo... apples to oranges.

Again, I don't hang VW for this... I'll likely be driving one here sooner or later.
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Old 12-18-2017, 03:03 PM   #982
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Well do not lose too much sleep over it. I just think it was clever. Not ethical, but clever. Sort of the same way in Super man III that Richard Pryor took every half cent. Clever but not ethical. VW has been punished. I can move on from it. Diesel cars are all but killed off in the US, so the regulations accomplished its mission. Time to move on.
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Old 12-18-2017, 03:25 PM   #983
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Time to move on.
agreed.

On a related note though, is there information out regarding the mpg's of this updated RA motor?
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Old 12-18-2017, 03:37 PM   #984
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agreed.

On a related note though, is there information out regarding the mpg's of this updated RA motor?
RA = Rated Abysmal

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Old 12-18-2017, 03:49 PM   #985
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It has to be horrible. More downforce, more HP, quicker 3rd gear, bigger tires, It has to be just horrible. If I had to guess it will get 14 city.
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Old 12-18-2017, 04:14 PM   #986
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**** it my ****ty gif won't load

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Old 12-18-2017, 04:43 PM   #987
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Those who like to use fanboi as an invective, don't... and are insignificant trolls. Us fanbois see them as flies or ants at a picnic... though some are more like turds in the punchbowl.
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Old 12-18-2017, 05:45 PM   #988
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This thread sure spun a rod bearing...
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Old 12-18-2017, 07:11 PM   #989
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This thread sure spun a rod bearing...

Weeks ago. How much are you paying for your Type RA?
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Old 12-18-2017, 10:32 PM   #990
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Weeks ago. How much are you paying for your Type RA?
I'm not buying one. You have me confused with another fanboi.
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Yeah, sure, tell that to WRX/STI owners that have spun a rod bearing.
That's a pretty bad/costly bottom end failure for an engine that has been around for close to 15 years at nearly the same 300-hp output.
Ford has been using the EB 2.3 for 4 years at various power levels (275 to 310hp) and just the last 2 years at 350hp in the Focus.
I think a blown HG is not too bad, all things considered, given the short history of that engine in that 350-hp state of tune.
Especially since Ford has acknowledged the issue and is taking care of the repair bill.
Most bottom end failures on the Subaru's is due to poor maintenance (not checking the oil levels and bad oil) as well as running the engine hard before it's fully warmed up. As for the Ford RS, it's not a HG issue (replace and you are good), but the engine block is distorting that is causing the HG to blow out. That's a fatal engine flaw that has nothing to do with maintenance or how the owner drive it.
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Pure comic genius!
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agreed.

On a related note though, is there information out regarding the mpg's of this updated RA motor?
I mean its an EJ257 with "upgraded" pistons, prob the same? a little bit worse, but you dont buy a STi to worry about MPG, otherwise go buy a prius.
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^^^ this is true
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Old 12-19-2017, 11:44 AM   #995
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Pre is just bitter because he bought a Ford RS thinking a new engine design will be better then the old EJ. The clock is now ticking on his engine in ways far far worse then anything bad he's said about the Subaru motor.
Nah. If I was concerned Iíd say so. I expected something going to a new platform. STI = EJ, potential (and only potential) ringland bust or spun bearings. EVO = clutch issues (motor is a rock), so nothing new. The RS has a HG seating issue with some cars. So far Ford has been on the level with replacements to non-modded cars, and the failure rate is low. Just this week theyíve sent out letters to owners offering $300 to use their car for a 15 minute diagnostic check. I see them reacting, and moving forward. So this is great for car fora fodder but us owners, not a concern when you see the mfr. actually reacting, doing something about it, fixing it, instead of leaving it alone. Itís great for you guys who donít own or have driven the car. If gives you something to bitch about out on the forums so Iím happy for yíall

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Curious as to why you still come back here if you no longer care. Are you gonna trade your RS if Subaru announces a 350hp hatch next year?
Because I can. Is there a rule book somewhere? Subaru could announce a 450HP hatch tomorrow and Iíd still buy the RS tomorrow. You might have some real insight if you had driven one instead of incessant fora finger pointing. Merci Buckets and his companyís work on the drivetrain, think I have explained this at length to you already. Iíve already told you, I bought the car I had waited for all these years, wonít buy a competitor when I have what I want 1/2 paid off already sitting in my garage with 3k miles on the ODO. Sheíll be here for 15-20 years, and is a small compact hatch with power, torque, and handling I could have never expected. People miss the forest for the trees with the drift mode. With a touch of a button I can turn my car from AWD to RWD. Hopefully Subaru will implement something similar then youíll actually see why itís so damn fun. No GKN and Iíd probably be waiting still or in a Golf R writing APR checks. But you see ADAS is upon us all, and I got to skip all that completely which was my goal.

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He won't trade it in. He's stated he's good for a while.

He likes us. We give him things to be e-mad at.
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This is really an easy problem. In light of the catastrophic EJ failures (sarcasm intended) and the catastrophic Ecoboost engine failures (sarcasm still intended)

Makes sense to get the Golf R

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I wish it was more fun to drive, really do. But itís still a damn good car, and itís a better DD than the RS. Iím glad VW refused to deal at all because I had 5 figures in hand. Their refusal to deal at all landed me a RS test drive and it took 5-10 minutes through some turns and I was ready to sign. $1400 under invoice, GKN AWD system, and Ze hecklers think Iím upset at some of these cars having head gasket problems. Iíd buy the damn thing again today or tomorrow. Saturday night I was pushing that thing hard, in hard rain, in the cold, getting slight power oversteer on turns when I was ham fisting it. All controllable, predictable, incredible. The more I drive the more I love. Every time I climb in or out big smile, like a cat who just landed a canary. I hope you guys end up getting that one and having as much fun. Itís like someone took a STI, and made the ability to overspin the rear wheels.

And I was the first one to call out Ford on their terrible, bs, dealer markups on the GT350, and the RS. I think that is absolute bs, and called them on it for day 1. I did not pay it either. And if they werenít responding to some head gaskets Iíd call them on that too, but apparently they are tackling it head over fist. If anything Iíd love a new engine given the choice.

Mods will begin after a fix, or VIN ranges have been discovered. For now having a fíin blast. Iím here for the EV model news, mostly.
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I wish it was more fun to drive, really do.
did you actually get a reasonable test drive of both? I've heard both the Ford and VW dealers can be difficult to that end... Either not allowing them without some sort of commitment, or only allowing boring test drive routes.
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true^^ you can say a lot of things about Pre, and I mean A LOT OF THINGS, but he is damned consistent.. I respect that.
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Nah. If I was concerned I’d say so. I expected something going to a new platform. STI = EJ, potential (and only potential) ringland bust or spun bearings. EVO = clutch issues (motor is a rock), so nothing new. The RS has a HG seating issue with some cars. So far Ford has been on the level with replacements to non-modded cars, and the failure rate is low. Just this week they’ve sent out letters to owners offering $300 to use their car for a 15 minute diagnostic check. I see them reacting, and moving forward. So this is great for car fora fodder but us owners, not a concern when you see the mfr. actually reacting, doing something about it, fixing it, instead of leaving it alone. It’s great for you guys who don’t own or have driven the car. If gives you something to bitch about out on the forums so I’m happy for y’all

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Pre, it's not if but when your Ford RS engine lets go. The question is, will it go under warranty or not? As for your peanut gallery response to the EJ, those issues are all preventable by the owner before it happens, such as Protune, spot on maintenance, and not abusing the car before it's ready. As for your issues, there's nothing you can do to prevent your block from distorting and the HG to blow out. I'll take the EJ short comings any day, over a fatal flaw like yours in the design and manufacturing of the engine.
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I mean its an EJ257 with "upgraded" pistons, prob the same? a little bit worse, but you dont buy a STi to worry about MPG, otherwise go buy a prius.
I have no desire to buy an RA and don't care about the MPG on a personal level... Curious more from the tuning standpoint... Did the extra power really hurt the mpg's, or were they able to do a better job tuning? That's all.
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did you actually get a reasonable test drive of both? I've heard both the Ford and VW dealers can be difficult to that end... Either not allowing them without some sort of commitment, or only allowing boring test drive routes.
Sure did. Multiple. First drive was brand new car so couldnít take it too far. 2nd was a CPO and got to put over 100 miles on it in the twisties with my German salesman. He sold me my JSW TDi manual in 2012 and really went out of his way. This was prior to driving the RS so I was ready to buy. His management refused to budge a penny on either car, and the CPO wasnít much cheaper than new. Ze German was pissed, real pissed, because he knew it was a missed sale for him. The new one he understood, the CPO he did not understand and was barking mad at their refusal. I mean this guy calls and leaves me messages on my birthday every year, heís that kind of salesman. Maybe itís a German thing but heís got a thick accent and has been selling them for decades.

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Pre, it's not if but when your Ford RS engine lets go. The question is, will it go under warranty or not? As for your peanut gallery response to the EJ, those issues are all preventable by the owner before it happens, such as Protune, spot on maintenance, and not abusing the car before it's ready. As for your issues, there's nothing you can do to prevent your block from distorting and the HG to blow out. I'll take the EJ short comings any day, over a fatal flaw like yours in the design and manufacturing of the engine.
Protune takes the warranty away fanboi. And given your affiliation, opinions, etc, I take anything you say and trow it into a landfill. Any information from you regarding my car is absolutely hearsay, youíve got no experience driving, owning or otherwise, just what you read on the internet. The issue is not with all the cars as we have high mileage tuned cars with nary a problem. And I just do not care, I have an 8 year warranty, bumper to bumper, with no motor mods or tune. You are more concerned with it than I am and because itís a competitor to something you own.
Iíve owned both cars and know both their strengths and weaknesses. Piston busting and spun bearings are more of a concern to me. My STI was modded by Cobb, my Ford is stock, which is why I just donít care. If Subaru would have offered an 8 year bumper to bumper warranty on my STI I would have kept it stock and kept it until year 7. They have never addressed the issue either, and stock VA LEís were grenading. Hell I hope my carís engine does blow up, Iíll get a whole new one instead of a damn short block replacement like Subaru routinely does. But please, keep defending your baby, and assimilating it into your entire state of being.
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