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Old 04-28-2021, 04:17 PM   #3876
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ha. 0-60 / drag racing talk. always comical.

*colin mcrae scoffs at you from the heavens.*
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Old 04-28-2021, 04:37 PM   #3877
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Paid to autocross LOLOLO

100 bucks of hankook money is not being paid buddy
I was referring to a certain car salesman's on the job training as he described it on the previous page.
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Old 04-28-2021, 04:50 PM   #3878
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I was referring to a certain car salesman's on the job training as he described it on the previous page.
Ok my bad

I had visions of autocross cars barely held together at my local track back in my cone dodging days

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Old 04-28-2021, 07:42 PM   #3879
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Some of us are even paid to drive a WRX with a CVT around an "autocross" course... and call it winning. I mean, financially, that is winning compared to people that spend money doing it on their own.
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Glad to see you still enjoy taking something out of context and taking jabs at it.
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Old 04-29-2021, 10:00 AM   #3880
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It's offered in a manual and has a reworked awd system with 2 LSDs that have torque vectoring and can put 100% of the power to the rear wheels.
The VW of America Golf R product manager recently clarified the MK8 AWD system in a video with Charles "the humble mechanic":

The MK8 AWD system is open diff in the front like the MK7 R, can send 50% of the power to the rear on-demand like the MK7, but has a rear torque vectoring LSD that can send 100% of that 50% of power to either rear wheel.

Both the MK7 and MK8 R also use brake based "torque vectoring" to slowdown the inner wheels during cornering or in low traction situations.

It's a trick setup similar to the EVO's and Focus RS's, but it's still FWD biased and limited to 50% towards the rear.
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Old 04-29-2021, 10:46 AM   #3881
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The VW of America Golf R product manager recently clarified the MK8 AWD system in a video with Charles "the humble mechanic": VW Golf R 2022 Review ~ The BEST Golf R YET? - YouTube

The MK8 AWD system is open diff in the front like the MK7 R, can send 50% of the power to the rear on-demand like the MK7, but has a rear torque vectoring LSD that can send 100% of that 50% of power to either rear wheel.

Both the MK7 and MK8 R also use brake based "torque vectoring" to slowdown the inner wheels during cornering or in low traction situations.

It's a trick setup similar to the EVO's and Focus RS's, but it's still FWD biased and limited to 50% towards the rear.
Oh god, not that word again LOL.

Yes, it is an Open Front, No Center, Rear Drive Unit w/ 3 clutch-packs (F:R and Left & Right for Torque Vectoring), and it has electronically controlled Brake Vectoring on all 4 wheels called XDS+.
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Old 04-29-2021, 01:54 PM   #3882
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The VW of America Golf R product manager recently clarified the MK8 AWD system in a video with Charles "the humble mechanic": VW Golf R 2022 Review ~ The BEST Golf R YET? - YouTube

The MK8 AWD system is open diff in the front like the MK7 R, can send 50% of the power to the rear on-demand like the MK7, but has a rear torque vectoring LSD that can send 100% of that 50% of power to either rear wheel.

Both the MK7 and MK8 R also use brake based "torque vectoring" to slowdown the inner wheels during cornering or in low traction situations.

It's a trick setup similar to the EVO's and Focus RS's, but it's still FWD biased and limited to 50% towards the rear.
You do know that both VA WRX and VA STI use brakes in the front as well to help turn in. Don't you?
In fact, I was told by someone on these forums that one of the JDM STI (likely a S model?) also uses brake assist in the rear.

As far as "only" 50% of the power making it to the rear, that's good enough for me (and plenty others).
As usual, it's best to go test drive these cars to find out what's what.
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Old 04-29-2021, 02:03 PM   #3883
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As far as "only" 50% of the power making it to the rear, that's good enough for me (and plenty others).
As usual, it's best to go test drive these cars to find out what's what.
It's funny that people act like they can tell the difference between a 50:50 split and whatever Subaru is claiming these days without acknowledging the fact that a 100% RWD WRX/STI won't handle neutrally since the engine is entirely hung in front of the axle!

Preferring a full time mechanical setup makes sense. Claiming that any split differences matter while driving around on the street does not. Every car in this segment in highly compromised. They're cheap value engineered performance cars.
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Old 04-29-2021, 02:10 PM   #3884
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It's funny that people act like they can tell the difference between a 50:50 split and whatever Subaru is claiming these days without acknowledging the fact that a 100% RWD WRX/STI won't handle neutrally since the engine is entirely hung in front of the axle!

Preferring a full time mechanical setup makes sense. Claiming that any split differences matter while driving around on the street does not. Every car in this segment in highly compromised. They're cheap value engineered performance cars.
Agreed.

Subaru's 50:50, 60:40 and 41:59 all feel about the same, maybe putting the STI in Full Open w/ 59% rear is a little better. Our Tesla is 0:100 until slip or some event that the system wanted to activate the front motor, and it is fun but again, it can be just as neutral/not perceptible.
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Old 04-29-2021, 03:08 PM   #3885
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You do know that both VA WRX and VA STI use brakes in the front as well to help turn in. Don't you?
In fact, I was told by someone on these forums that one of the JDM STI (likely a S model?) also uses brake assist in the rear.

As far as "only" 50% of the power making it to the rear, that's good enough for me (and plenty others).
As usual, it's best to go test drive these cars to find out what's what.
Yes, I do know the VA's also use their brakes for "torque vectoring".

I was correcting the poster I quoted in his claim that the MK8 R had 2 LSD's and could send 100% of power to the rear. Misinformation sucks and the internet is full of it. F-me for describing how VW's work when brought up...
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Old 04-29-2021, 03:15 PM   #3886
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It's funny that people act like they can tell the difference between a 50:50 split and whatever Subaru is claiming these days without acknowledging the fact that a 100% RWD WRX/STI won't handle neutrally since the engine is entirely hung in front of the axle!

Preferring a full time mechanical setup makes sense. Claiming that any split differences matter while driving around on the street does not. Every car in this segment in highly compromised. They're cheap value engineered performance cars.
Yup, there's a bit too much focus on power/torque apportioning and maybe not enough focus on what's happening with the chassis.
I'd rather focus on maximizing grip at the front wheels before worrying about how much power makes it to the rear.
The Mk7 R doesn't have enough camber up front; addressing that issue first and foremost wakes that chassis right up.
Looks like VW dialed a little bit more camber up front for the Mk8; we'll soon see how that goes.
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Old 04-29-2021, 03:16 PM   #3887
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Yes, I do know the VA's also use their brakes for "torque vectoring".

I was correcting the poster I quoted in his claim that the MK8 R had 2 LSD's and could send 100% of power to the rear. Misinformation sucks and the internet is full of it. F-me for describing how VW's work when brought up...
Ah, ok, my bad. No worries then; please, sir, carry on.
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Old 04-29-2021, 04:33 PM   #3888
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Shoot, even my Impreza Sport has Active Torque Vectoring.

I feel it at every corner!
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You do know that both VA WRX and VA STI use brakes in the front as well to help turn in. Don't you?
In fact, I was told by someone on these forums that one of the JDM STI (likely a S model?) also uses brake assist in the rear.

As far as "only" 50% of the power making it to the rear, that's good enough for me (and plenty others).
As usual, it's best to go test drive these cars to find out what's what.
I lubbed the 70% rear half shaft mode on the RS. It was got damn fantastic and like 2 cars in one. Damn shame about the Golf R but I’m not discounting it yet. Need to drive it.
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Old 04-30-2021, 12:22 PM   #3890
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I lubbed the 70% rear half shaft mode on the RS. It was got damn fantastic and like 2 cars in one. Damn shame about the Golf R but I’m not discounting it yet. Need to drive it.
I hear you; over 50% of power to the rear is always better.
But, what we need to realize is, as weight transfers from the front to the rear of the car under acceleration, there's more traction available at the rear tires vs the front tires.
So, the actual amount of torque transferred to the tarmac, under acceleration is higher at the rear tires (more load) vs the front tires (slightly less load).
That's why an Haldex RDU with a Wavetrac LSD inside can do this even with "only" 50% of the power to the rear:

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Old 05-02-2021, 01:07 PM   #3891
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With respect to lap times I found VIR and Anglesey (STI being faster). They're about the same on Laguna Seca (Golf R by .2 seconds), and number of other tracks. Not enough of a difference to really matter.
Thanks. I found the Golf R faster on Hockenheim Short by 2 seconds, 1.5 seconds at Francia, faster at Laguna Seca by over 1 second also. So much for his theory about the STi being faster on all these tracks. Id say the cars are pretty even as well.

The MK8 no doubt will be even faster than the 7 by a pretty good margin with its new awd setup and a lot more power and torque. Hence why i said, good luck Subaru. The R looks like a huge improvement over the outgoing model. But will the STi? Subaru seems to have a tendency to underwhelm when redesigning their cars imo.

And did someone really bring up sales when we're talking about performance? Thats got to be about the stupidest argument I can think of. For 1, there is absolutely 0 correlation between sales and performance, and secondly, VW group is #1 in auto sales. Subaru doesn't even sell more cars than Suzuki for God sake. Take off you Rally Blue tinted glasses. Ive had my 2015 stage 2 wrx for almost 7 years now. I like Subaru, but im certainly no fan boy and can appreciate other cars raising the performance bar without getting me feels hurt.
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Old 05-02-2021, 01:21 PM   #3892
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You do know that both VA WRX and VA STI use brakes in the front as well to help turn in. Don't you?
In fact, I was told by someone on these forums that one of the JDM STI (likely a S model?) also uses brake assist in the rear.

As far as "only" 50% of the power making it to the rear, that's good enough for me (and plenty others).
As usual, it's best to go test drive these cars to find out what's what.
You are correct. I watched some very early videos that did not explain how the new set up works correctly, or i just misunderstood. Either way it sounded like a few people were complaining that the R couldn't rotate the back and that shouldn't be a issue with the mk8. Thanks for the clarification.
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Old 05-03-2021, 05:53 PM   #3893
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ah sh**t, here come the haldex tales.. no thank you.
it does suck to read that the rumor of an actual torsen / center diffed quattro coming to the smaller vw chassis is false.
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Old 05-07-2021, 10:48 AM   #3894
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Yes, we need some new info. and some new images to feed the beast. I'm getting tired of waiting for Subaru.
This beast got too hungry, count me as a casualty of the wait. I ended up buying a car already, Subaru I could only wait for so long...
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Old 05-07-2021, 10:56 AM   #3895
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This beast got too hungry, count me as a casualty of the wait. I ended up buying a car already, Subaru I could only wait for so long...
Whatchu get!?
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Old 05-07-2021, 11:09 AM   #3896
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ah sh**t, here come the haldex tales.. no thank you.
it does suck to read that the rumor of an actual torsen / center diffed quattro coming to the smaller vw chassis is false.
It needn't even be a VW. A torsen setup in an A3 sized Audi would be great.
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Old 05-07-2021, 12:28 PM   #3897
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ah sh**t, here come the haldex tales.. no thank you.
it does suck to read that the rumor of an actual torsen / center diffed quattro coming to the smaller vw chassis is false.
This is not going to happen on compact cars; not with Europe cracking down on fuel consumption.
Get used to systems with a simple transfer case in the front (which doesn't have to be 1:1 BTW) sending power to a RDU. No center diff needed:
- A45 AMG
- Focus RS
- Yaris GR
The list will only grow as fuel economy targets get tighter.
I don't mind center diffs but I hate excessive drivetrain losses; so, I'm OK with "Haldex"-style setups.
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Old 05-16-2021, 01:53 PM   #3898
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Whatchu get!?
Test drove a couple of cars that I've been cross shopping in the mean time: a friend's new G80 M3, Alfa Romeo Quadrifoglio, and the 992/Cayman GTS 4.0. Ended up going with a 2021 Quadrifoglio. Wish me luck, so far so good. I really wanted to see what the new WRX/STI had to offer.....It's just looking like it will be a while...I always come back to Subaru, they've been such great cars for me.

The Quad is truly an amazing machine on another level, but I love the WRX/STI platform for certain reasons that even the quad can't beat. Mainly versatility, ruggedness, 6MT, and just being able to drive the piss out of them in any condition without worrying about anything. I'm certain I'll be back with an addition one day
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Old 05-17-2021, 09:59 AM   #3899
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Good luck! Lol from everything I’ve read you’re going to need it. But maybe it’s gotten better.
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Test drove a couple of cars that I've been cross shopping in the mean time: a friend's new G80 M3, Alfa Romeo Quadrifoglio, and the 992/Cayman GTS 4.0. Ended up going with a 2021 Quadrifoglio. Wish me luck, so far so good. I really wanted to see what the new WRX/STI had to offer.....It's just looking like it will be a while...I always come back to Subaru, they've been such great cars for me.

The Quad is truly an amazing machine on another level, but I love the WRX/STI platform for certain reasons that even the quad can't beat. Mainly versatility, ruggedness, 6MT, and just being able to drive the piss out of them in any condition without worrying about anything. I'm certain I'll be back with an addition one day
So true about the STI jack of all trades performance versatility in a myriad of conditions from roads to weather. Its a performance car that makes it fun ALL YEAR ROUND and it can perform at max potential(with the appropriate for the season tires) every day of the year with an exceptional margin of safety being driven aggressively.

These 650-800++ horsepower rear drive muscle cars that are out cant do that, and are WAY WAY more dangerous. I've been reading about Hellcat attrition rates due to crashes and its not good, it seems like younger and younger drivers are getting their mitts on these cars and they just dont have the experience to be able to control them.
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