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04-28-2021, 04:17 PM | #3876 |
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ha. 0-60 / drag racing talk. always comical.
*colin mcrae scoffs at you from the heavens.*
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04-28-2021, 04:37 PM | #3877 | |
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04-28-2021, 04:50 PM | #3878 | |
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I had visions of autocross cars barely held together at my local track back in my cone dodging days I will see myself out |
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04-28-2021, 07:42 PM | #3879 | ||
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04-29-2021, 10:00 AM | #3880 | |
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The MK8 AWD system is open diff in the front like the MK7 R, can send 50% of the power to the rear on-demand like the MK7, but has a rear torque vectoring LSD that can send 100% of that 50% of power to either rear wheel. Both the MK7 and MK8 R also use brake based "torque vectoring" to slowdown the inner wheels during cornering or in low traction situations. It's a trick setup similar to the EVO's and Focus RS's, but it's still FWD biased and limited to 50% towards the rear. |
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04-29-2021, 10:46 AM | #3881 | |
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Yes, it is an Open Front, No Center, Rear Drive Unit w/ 3 clutch-packs (F:R and Left & Right for Torque Vectoring), and it has electronically controlled Brake Vectoring on all 4 wheels called XDS+. |
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04-29-2021, 01:54 PM | #3882 | |
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In fact, I was told by someone on these forums that one of the JDM STI (likely a S model?) also uses brake assist in the rear. As far as "only" 50% of the power making it to the rear, that's good enough for me (and plenty others). As usual, it's best to go test drive these cars to find out what's what. |
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04-29-2021, 02:03 PM | #3883 | |
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Preferring a full time mechanical setup makes sense. Claiming that any split differences matter while driving around on the street does not. Every car in this segment in highly compromised. They're cheap value engineered performance cars. |
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04-29-2021, 02:10 PM | #3884 | |
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Subaru's 50:50, 60:40 and 41:59 all feel about the same, maybe putting the STI in Full Open w/ 59% rear is a little better. Our Tesla is 0:100 until slip or some event that the system wanted to activate the front motor, and it is fun but again, it can be just as neutral/not perceptible. |
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04-29-2021, 03:08 PM | #3885 | |
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I was correcting the poster I quoted in his claim that the MK8 R had 2 LSD's and could send 100% of power to the rear. Misinformation sucks and the internet is full of it. F-me for describing how VW's work when brought up... |
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04-29-2021, 03:15 PM | #3886 | |
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I'd rather focus on maximizing grip at the front wheels before worrying about how much power makes it to the rear. The Mk7 R doesn't have enough camber up front; addressing that issue first and foremost wakes that chassis right up. Looks like VW dialed a little bit more camber up front for the Mk8; we'll soon see how that goes. |
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04-29-2021, 03:16 PM | #3887 | |
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04-29-2021, 04:33 PM | #3888 |
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Shoot, even my Impreza Sport has Active Torque Vectoring.
I feel it at every corner! |
04-30-2021, 03:36 AM | #3889 | |
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04-30-2021, 12:22 PM | #3890 | |
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But, what we need to realize is, as weight transfers from the front to the rear of the car under acceleration, there's more traction available at the rear tires vs the front tires. So, the actual amount of torque transferred to the tarmac, under acceleration is higher at the rear tires (more load) vs the front tires (slightly less load). That's why an Haldex RDU with a Wavetrac LSD inside can do this even with "only" 50% of the power to the rear: |
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05-02-2021, 01:07 PM | #3891 | |
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The MK8 no doubt will be even faster than the 7 by a pretty good margin with its new awd setup and a lot more power and torque. Hence why i said, good luck Subaru. The R looks like a huge improvement over the outgoing model. But will the STi? Subaru seems to have a tendency to underwhelm when redesigning their cars imo. And did someone really bring up sales when we're talking about performance? Thats got to be about the stupidest argument I can think of. For 1, there is absolutely 0 correlation between sales and performance, and secondly, VW group is #1 in auto sales. Subaru doesn't even sell more cars than Suzuki for God sake. Take off you Rally Blue tinted glasses. Ive had my 2015 stage 2 wrx for almost 7 years now. I like Subaru, but im certainly no fan boy and can appreciate other cars raising the performance bar without getting me feels hurt. |
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05-02-2021, 01:21 PM | #3892 | |
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05-03-2021, 05:53 PM | #3893 |
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ah sh**t, here come the haldex tales.. no thank you.
it does suck to read that the rumor of an actual torsen / center diffed quattro coming to the smaller vw chassis is false. |
05-07-2021, 10:48 AM | #3894 |
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05-07-2021, 10:56 AM | #3895 |
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05-07-2021, 11:09 AM | #3896 |
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05-07-2021, 12:28 PM | #3897 | |
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Get used to systems with a simple transfer case in the front (which doesn't have to be 1:1 BTW) sending power to a RDU. No center diff needed: - A45 AMG - Focus RS - Yaris GR The list will only grow as fuel economy targets get tighter. I don't mind center diffs but I hate excessive drivetrain losses; so, I'm OK with "Haldex"-style setups. |
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05-16-2021, 01:53 PM | #3898 |
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Test drove a couple of cars that I've been cross shopping in the mean time: a friend's new G80 M3, Alfa Romeo Quadrifoglio, and the 992/Cayman GTS 4.0. Ended up going with a 2021 Quadrifoglio. Wish me luck, so far so good. I really wanted to see what the new WRX/STI had to offer.....It's just looking like it will be a while...I always come back to Subaru, they've been such great cars for me.
The Quad is truly an amazing machine on another level, but I love the WRX/STI platform for certain reasons that even the quad can't beat. Mainly versatility, ruggedness, 6MT, and just being able to drive the piss out of them in any condition without worrying about anything. I'm certain I'll be back with an addition one day |
05-17-2021, 09:59 AM | #3899 |
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Good luck! Lol from everything I’ve read you’re going to need it. But maybe it’s gotten better.
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05-20-2021, 01:34 PM | #3900 | |
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These 650-800++ horsepower rear drive muscle cars that are out cant do that, and are WAY WAY more dangerous. I've been reading about Hellcat attrition rates due to crashes and its not good, it seems like younger and younger drivers are getting their mitts on these cars and they just dont have the experience to be able to control them. |
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