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Old 12-04-2022, 07:26 PM   #626
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Same with the Accord. Scratching my head thinking people are paying more for white. It's not the crowd pleaser either, I'm looking for 2 liter Turbo before they are gone forever, 2 3 hundred mile radius search is all white that's showing up on trader.com.m
And $400 for Boost Blue which is available on the base non turbo Sport hatch.
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Old 12-05-2022, 10:30 AM   #627
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Old 12-05-2022, 12:33 PM   #628
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Acura today confirmed the development of a high-performance Integra Type S, set to join the lineup for the 2024 model year. Promising ultimate street performance and driver engagement, the Integra Type S will be powered by a high-revving 2.0-liter VTEC turbocharged engine producing over 300 horsepower and paired exclusively with a 6-speed manual transmission and limited slip differential. More details to be shared closer to launch.






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Old 12-05-2022, 01:12 PM   #629
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Would this technically be the same as a type R? or..
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Old 12-05-2022, 01:15 PM   #630
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Would this technically be the same as a type R? or..
It's an Acura, so it's the next trim level up.
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Old 12-05-2022, 01:53 PM   #631
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If the CTR is too over the top and boy racer, the ITS is the suit and tie alternative. More tourer than racer.

Unless of course there are big black plastic fenders and diffusers under that camo.
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Old 12-05-2022, 01:54 PM   #632
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Old 12-05-2022, 02:03 PM   #633
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If that wing on the CTR triggers you then get the ITS.
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If the CTR is too over the top and boy racer, the ITS is the suit and tie alternative. More tourer than racer.

Unless of course there are big black plastic fenders and diffusers under that camo.
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Old 12-05-2022, 07:27 PM   #638
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Would this technically be the same as a type R? or..
We werenít sure but the press release confirms it will be the same drivetrain.
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Old 12-05-2022, 08:14 PM   #639
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CTR looks a lot better than the ITS, imo.
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What if this came with SH-AWD? Dang, can you imagine.
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Old 12-05-2022, 09:25 PM   #641
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Magazines are saying 6mT and FWD only. Looks like Honda was keeping cost to a minimum.

It looks nice, if you're looking to blow $50k on a FWD car.






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Old 12-05-2022, 09:45 PM   #642
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What if this came with SH-AWD? Dang, can you imagine.
Would consider it for sure.
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What if this came with SH-AWD? Dang, can you imagine.
Itíll cost 50k as is. SH-AWD, 60k. Nah, ainít worth that kind of money.
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Old 12-06-2022, 01:56 AM   #644
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Itíll cost 50k as is. SH-AWD, 60k. Nah, ainít worth that kind of money.
All signs say AWD and even an automatic wonít be an option. Acura misses every opportunity, this is yet another example.

Think about who the prospective buyer is:

- wants FWD and a manual transmission
- has $50k plus taxes to spend
- doesnít want a Type R

Really? How many people fit that list?

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It's a few grand more for a nicer interior and probably nicer daily driver. Might be worth it for some.

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All signs say AWD and even an automatic wonít be an option. Acura misses every opportunity, this is yet another example.

Think about who the prospective buyer is:

- wants FWD and a manual transmission
- has $50k plus taxes to spend
- doesnít want a Type R

Really? How many people fit that list?
unless Honda are totally dumb, which they mostly aren't, I don't know that there are more than 2 options.

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CTR goes away. ITS is your option.

Civic Si gets the CTR engine but detuned to about 250hp to keep it below, and it stays sedan.

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CTR stays, but gets about 1000 fewer units produced.

ITS gets a run of 1000 units, limited run means Acura can charge $arm+leg for a tarted up Civic, fewer CTR and almost no ITS means everyone gets huge markups, only losers are the customers.

I'm sure they might just keep both cars and produce as many as they can, but that doesn't make a lot of sense.

Honda has been paying attention to the market as far as the CTR is concerned, they see that almost every single one of them has sold for a really hard markup, they already jacked the price of the new CTR $5000, and I'm sure they see that so far this hasn't stopped dealers from promising a markup on the new one based on demand.

maybe I'm off the mark, and the CTR has high production numbers, and then the ITS also has high production numbers.
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Old 12-06-2022, 11:41 AM   #647
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All signs say AWD and even an automatic wonít be an option. Acura misses every opportunity, this is yet another example.

Think about who the prospective buyer is:

- wants FWD and a manual transmission
- has $50k plus taxes to spend
- doesnít want a Type R

Really? How many people fit that list?
Indeed a very dumb and missed opportunity.

Give the Acura crowd a more upscale interior, their fabulous ELS radio, SH-AWD and Automatic. Price it like the S3 and call it a freakin' day. Kill the competition with Honda reliability.
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All signs say AWD and even an automatic wonít be an option. Acura misses every opportunity, this is yet another example.

Think about who the prospective buyer is:

- wants FWD and a manual transmission
- has $50k plus taxes to spend
- doesnít want a Type R

Really? How many people fit that list?
I'll shop for both, will take whichever that is available to buy in a config that I want first.
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Old 12-06-2022, 08:58 PM   #650
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unless Honda are totally dumb, which they mostly aren't, I don't know that there are more than 2 options.

1.
CTR goes away. ITS is your option.

Civic Si gets the CTR engine but detuned to about 250hp to keep it below, and it stays sedan.

2.
CTR stays, but gets about 1000 fewer units produced.

ITS gets a run of 1000 units, limited run means Acura can charge $arm+leg for a tarted up Civic, fewer CTR and almost no ITS means everyone gets huge markups, only losers are the customers.

I'm sure they might just keep both cars and produce as many as they can, but that doesn't make a lot of sense.

Honda has been paying attention to the market as far as the CTR is concerned, they see that almost every single one of them has sold for a really hard markup, they already jacked the price of the new CTR $5000, and I'm sure they see that so far this hasn't stopped dealers from promising a markup on the new one based on demand.

maybe I'm off the mark, and the CTR has high production numbers, and then the ITS also has high production numbers.
For the factory, making more cars makes them more money due to volume savings. So selling more of the same car in Acura form makes the most sense for the factory. Intentionally limiting production is not a way to make money. The limits are likely due to production capacity.

Second, the reason for the cost increase has nothing to do with the Type R's popularity, and everything to do with the weak yen and high commodity inflation. It simply costs Honda a lot more to build a car in 2023 than in 2019.
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