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Old 05-16-2013, 11:48 AM   #5151
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What's the tint shop that doesn't suck around here? Rears are already tinted, so it's just the fronts.
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Old 05-16-2013, 11:49 AM   #5152
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What's the tint shop that doesn't suck around here? Rears are already tinted, so it's just the fronts.
A-plus tint on vanadium road does an amazing job
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Old 05-16-2013, 12:52 PM   #5153
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GM experts... A coworker is replacing his camshaft sensor and apparently needs to go through something called a CASE relearn procedure. WTF is this stupid ****? It sounds absolutely asinine. Is there an easier alternative or option other than having this special scantool?

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CRANKSHAFT VARIATION RELEARN (CASE Learn)

ĒCASEĒ means: crankshaft angle sensor error. A crankshaft variation relearn must be performed if:

A diagnostic trouble code of P1336 is present.
The computer has been replaced or re-programmed.
The crankshaft position sensor has been replaced.
The engine, harmonic balancer, clutch, or flywheel have been: disassembled, removed, or replaced.
The crankshaft position variation learning feature enables the computer to compensate for part manufacturing tolerances. This allows the computer to accurately detect an engine misfire throughout the engine RPM range. The learning process is stored in the computerís memory and does not have to be repeated unless one or more of the above conditions are present.


To perform the relearn, proceed as follows:

Connect a scan tool to make sure there are no trouble codes stored in the computerís memory. If there is any power train trouble code other than P1336 (Crankshaft Position Variation not learned), the computer will disable the relearn function until the problem that aused the code has been eliminated. Also, make sure that the engine coolant (check it when the engine is cold) and oil levels are at an acceptable level.

1. Set the parking brake and block the drive wheels. Make sure that the hood is closed.
2. Start the engine and make sure that the engine coolant temperature is at least 158 degrees F. (70 degrees C.)
3. Turn the engine off for at least 10 seconds.
4. Select the crankshaft position variation learn procedure (CASE Learn)on your scan tool.
5. Make sure that the transmission is in Park. Start the engine.
6. Apply the brakes and hold the pedal firmly.
7. Follow the scan tool instructions.

Remember: That you are going to increase the engine speed to approximately 3000 RPM, 4000 RPM, or 5150 RPM. Thatís the variation learn fuel cutoff RPM (depending upon the engine), and that itís important to release the throttle when the engine RPM starts to decrease as a result of the fuel cutoff going into effect. Failure to do such will result in over revving of the engine, causing possible engine damage.

8. Once the engine has returned to idle, check the status of Diagnostic trouble code P1336. If the scan tool indicates that the CASE has been learned, the relearn procedure is now complete. If CASE has not been learned, check for the presence of other power train codes. If any exist, correct the problem, then repeat this procedure.

NOTE: If the Crankshaft Variation Relearn is not accessible through your scan tool (some truck applications 1998 & later), perform the relearn in the following manner:

1. Turn off all of the accessories. With the Air temperature sensor and Coolant temperature within 5 degrees (Centigrade) of each other, start the engine and let it idle in Park or Neutral for two minutes.
2. Accelerate the vehicle to 55 mph at part throttle. Cruise at 55 mph for 8- 10 minutes until the engine reaches operating temperature.
3. Cruise at 55 mph for another 5-6 minutes.
4. Decelerate to 45 mph without using the brakes, and maintain 45 mph for 1 minute.
5. Perform 4 deceleration cycles, without using the brakes, of 25 seconds each where no specific speed is necessary. Returning to 45 mph for 15 seconds in between deceleration cycles.
6. Accelerate to 55 mph and cruise for 2 minutes.
7. Stop the vehicle and idle for 2 minutes with the brake applied and the transmission in Drive (automatic trans.) or Neutral (manual trans.) with the clutch depressed. Refer to diagram A on page 8.
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Old 05-16-2013, 03:07 PM   #5154
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there is no alternative. the ecu needs to learn the waveform of the sensor. it's pretty cool they do it, as it gives them better control over timing events and has a robustness to the signal that is pretty hard to get otherwise with production tolerances. they run fine without the procedure if the codes are shut off.. but it's an extra bit of precision to the signal and event timing. maybe even literally.

GM make great engines and good ecus. and the rest is pretty substandard.
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Old 05-16-2013, 03:20 PM   #5155
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there is no alternative. the ecu needs to learn the waveform of the sensor. it's pretty cool they do it, as it gives them better control over timing events and has a robustness to the signal that is pretty hard to get otherwise with production tolerances. they run fine without the procedure if the codes are shut off.. but it's an extra bit of precision to the signal and event timing. maybe even literally.

GM make great engines and good ecus. and the rest is pretty substandard.
GM's manufacturing tolerance must really suck then... What other engine/ECU needs this overly complicated procedure? Most just handle it internally.


From what I've read it seems to only be used to detect misfires...
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Old 05-16-2013, 04:02 PM   #5156
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SUPER ACCURATE MISFIRE DETECTION

dude! it's not bad tolerances, it's EXTRA PRECISION!
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Old 05-16-2013, 05:32 PM   #5157
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SUPER ACCURATE MISFIRE DETECTION

dude! it's not bad tolerances, it's EXTRA PRECISION!
I'm pretty sure that's how my car can run on any grade of gasoline. I'm a fan of the motor for sure. Too bad about the interior plastics tho. What crap.
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Old 05-16-2013, 06:39 PM   #5158
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glad i just piece together my cars, cause it sucks to be shopping for one.

GM and honda really really know engines. honda know the rest, but make all fwd cars that are pretty meh, with decent interiors that will just keep on forever. and GM is pretty much the opposite. but overall pretty meh cars. even my love of the VQ is kinda tempered by the ford and hyundai V6es. its not liek the Z33/34 is a super awesome car. it's kinda meh as a complete package, and in no way efficient.

anyway. the cars i'm least turned off about right now are BRZ, honda fit(in purple with my white TEs) and some several mercedes models i know will leave me stranded somewhere, sometime, and with a huge bill. i was onto the CTS-V kick for a while but couldn't get past the interior. it's ok. but i just don't like trucks. which puts the mustang out of the picture as well. interior sucks something fierce. rest is pretty decent! i dunno. v6 challenger with a turbo?

now if we could get UTEs here or aussie v8 wagons.. VXR here i come!
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Old 05-16-2013, 07:04 PM   #5159
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Funny, I don't like trucks either but the V and the Mustang are top of my list for daily fun and comfort. I guess the stuff I don't like about trucks is beyond the crossover with these things. The torque without the revving and the noise and the waiting is just nice. I don't mind the look of the V interior as much as the dry-brittleness of the plastics. Everything breaks when you take it apart. My gauge cluster has never even been breathed on hard and it has a crack up the middle of the face 'glass' The appearance is really the least of the problems. I think they addressed this stuff in the 2nd and 3rd gen, when they raised the price 50% or so lol.
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Old 05-16-2013, 11:09 PM   #5160
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Interiors are really the biggest advance in road cars in the past decade.
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Old 05-17-2013, 08:08 AM   #5161
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Anybody looking to trade scoops? I've got 04/05 wrx cf scoop and looking to trade for 04/05 STI cf scoop
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:25 AM   #5162
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I think that and fuel injectors.
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Old 05-17-2013, 11:21 AM   #5163
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boss saw the new wrx, said it is a widened fender, more aggressive looking 2013 impreza. Nothing at all like the concept.
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Old 05-17-2013, 12:42 PM   #5164
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sounds neat. concept was a bit much.

still can't get over how huge the 2012 imprezas are inside. nothing like the GC/GD. at all. and then jimmys ridgeline is even bigger.

jesse that sucks. i'm just more talkin about the way the thing feels inside. the wall of dashboard, door hadles and huge controls etc. for a reference, i really like the design and simplicity of the s14 and nsx interiors, and the W124. 2001~2005 audi interiors are also pretty well designed to me as well. all those interiors are simple, pretty elegant without a billion buttons, and smallish controls..and made with ****ty ****ty plastics. i even like my early GC dash for it's simplicity. late GC dash sucks bad in design, subaru went back to something pretty similar to early GC for the GRs. the GD dash is pretty nice and ok-ish materials. i do like the GD interiors.. mostly the STi cluster, but GD interior is so easy to damage and rattles. oh yeah even brz has the wall effect. it's just.. i dunno. don't want an entertainment center, and i hate the "pilot" FD/supra/vette interiors. and billions of buttons and crap, i don't even use the fukkin things. cant even remember the last time i turned on the stereo in a car. and what was wrong with the three (seashells) dials for hvac? wtf is with all this pushbutton cyclic control going around? you have to friggin look at the LCD? lemme just turn the dial three clicks. from feet to defrost. done. AND DON'T TURN ON THE A/C FOR ME!

i dunno. after jimmy and barbs cars, even my crv and civic.. my GC feels so snug inside.

anyway, i'm a damned relic, stuck in the 90s.
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See I like the newer Hvac controls. Set to 'auto' set temp. Don't adjust. Even my defrosters are simple push buttons. No knobs, no clicks. Set temp like the living room. If you need defrost, turn it on. Done with defrost? Turn it off. No need to mess with what is easily done with a $3 control system.

Do you pine for manual windows and cable operated vents? I f'in don't. Could do without the memory-power-seat, but I'm not about to take it out..

Also, with good heated seats and a sunroof, who needs Hvac most of the time anyway?
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My Mazda had micromanaged HVAC.

Like if you wanted it 70 degrees and it was 60, you could set it to auto and turn it to 70, auto meant feet + windshield unless you override manually. Same for air conditioning, if it was 70 and you set it to 60, auto meant you'd get it in the face, and not at the feet/windshield.

Also, if you had it on windshield defrost mode (even split feet + windshield), you're locked out from recirc. Not even an option, no matter how many times you press it. So when you're trying to concentrate on the road, see a big smelly pig truck ahead, and you're mashing the recirc button, haha, ****you, no recirc for you.

I get the idea, I don't like my HVAC managed though.
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My boss got a 2012 Infinity G37x and when he first got it, I noticed a button with trees and wavy lines, tghought it was some sort of traction control. Turns out it is just some "forest mode" that is supposed to put a gentle breeze on you as though you are in a forest?
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See I like the newer Hvac controls. Set to 'auto' set temp. Don't adjust. Even my defrosters are simple push buttons. No knobs, no clicks. Set temp like the living room. If you need defrost, turn it on. Done with defrost? Turn it off. No need to mess with what is easily done with a $3 control system.

Do you pine for manual windows and cable operated vents? I f'in don't. Could do without the memory-power-seat, but I'm not about to take it out..

Also, with good heated seats and a sunroof, who needs Hvac most of the time anyway?
man, i get in my car, i don't want to be comfortable 72 deg in there, i want it to blast my sweaty ass with A/C or roast my freezing fingers with heat. i don't want it to calm down till i can't take it anymore, or take 2 mins to figure out, oh, it's hot as FUKKKK in this bitch!! full blast! or clear out the hot air in the vents real quick out the windows. auto climate control is ok for steady environments, cars are anything but steady state. and then, sometimes i'm just willing to wait for the cool to come on, and i don't want the noise or air commotion of it running full blast. but most times i just want full blast A/C cause i want to be as cooled off as i can for the 15 mins im in this baking box.

oh or when you get in and it auto turns the fans on high and blows 20F air around at full blast when car isn't warmed up yet. auto climate is dumb. 3 seashells.
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and billions of buttons and crap, i don't even use the fukkin things. cant even remember the last time i turned on the stereo in a car. and what was wrong with the three (seashells) dials for hvac? wtf is with all this pushbutton cyclic control going around? you have to friggin look at the LCD? lemme just turn the dial three clicks. from feet to defrost. done. AND DON'T TURN ON THE A/C FOR ME!
Billions of buttons... because racecar!

But I agree about the LCD controls or any controls that you have to take your eyes off the road to adjust.

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My Mazda had micromanaged HVAC.

Like if you wanted it 70 degrees and it was 60, you could set it to auto and turn it to 70, auto meant feet + windshield unless you override manually. Same for air conditioning, if it was 70 and you set it to 60, auto meant you'd get it in the face, and not at the feet/windshield.

Also, if you had it on windshield defrost mode (even split feet + windshield), you're locked out from recirc. Not even an option, no matter how many times you press it. So when you're trying to concentrate on the road, see a big smelly pig truck ahead, and you're mashing the recirc button, haha, ****you, no recirc for you.

I get the idea, I don't like my HVAC managed though.
This is how my '99 M3 is except I can manually override recirc. The only thing I dislike about it is the buttons to adjust the temperature. There are two sets. One for the driver and one for the passenger. WTF, why?! How much climate separation do they think is physically possible within 82 cubic feet of air? And to make matters worse, the buttons are oriented horizontally. So it goes "Driver- Driver+ Fan- Fan+ Passenger- Passenger+". So you can take two fingers and space them just perfectly and hit both sets of buttons in the directions you want as long as you're looking at them. Try to do it without looking and you'll have one side programmed to 60F and the other side at 90F. Or accidently turn the fan up or down while adjusting one side.


Oh, and the plastic they used in this car is probably the worst I have ever seen and I've seen some real pieces of ****. Like GM cars from the 90s...

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oh or when you get in and it auto turns the fans on high and blows 20F air around at full blast when car isn't warmed up yet. auto climate is dumb. 3 seashells.
Not sure what auto climate you're talking about but this is actually the best feature about the auto HVACs I've experienced. They know the engine is cold so it doesn't blast (cold ass) air till it's warmed up. Though it's really difficult to get people to 'trust the HVAC'... I'll see people take it off auto and blast the 'heater' hoping to get heat faster. I'm like 'dude, the engine is stone cold'...
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Not sure what auto climate you're talking about but this is actually the best feature about the auto HVACs I've experienced. They know the engine is cold so it doesn't blast (cold ass) air till it's warmed up. Though it's really difficult to get people to 'trust the HVAC'... I'll see people take it off auto and blast the 'heater' hoping to get heat faster. I'm like 'dude, the engine is stone cold'...
Yeah mine is excellent as far as engine temperature. Like it will start a slow breeze when the water temp exceeds cabin temp but it won't blast it until its over 100F or something that actually feels warm as a 'breeze'
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Meant to ask him about that when I was talking to him yesterday
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