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Old Yesterday, 02:22 PM   #676
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This incident of his set the tone for me.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xur1e2

Have no respect for him as a result. Sure he has skill to drive a racecar - but his selfishness and inability to respect the rules meant that he was nothing more than a whiny baby.
Sure, whatever floats your boat and informs your preferences.

So which driver do you "respect"? Barrichello, Bottas?
Both nice and selfless chaps. Right up your alley
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So is Grosjean retiring? If so, his retirement announcement isn't going to have much thunder considering how this silly season is unfolding. And what about Ocon? I could see him going to one of the Red Bull teams.
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Old Yesterday, 06:58 PM   #678
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Sure, whatever floats your boat and informs your preferences.

So which driver do you "respect"? Barrichello, Bottas?
Both nice and selfless chaps. Right up your alley
Let's see

Hakkinnen, Stewart, Lauda, Webber, Ricciardo, Coulthard, yep Barrichello (at some points), Massa, Rosberg

Alonso has quite deliberately taken action that put a lot of people at risk because he felt it was ok.

That's fine - but when you whine about it - thats not fine.
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Old Yesterday, 11:56 PM   #679
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Alonso has quite deliberately taken action that put a lot of people at risk because he felt it was ok.

That's fine - but when you whine about it - thats not fine.
There's a reason he can only find a seat Maclaren.

He's "the most talented driver on the grid" and Ferrari don't want him, Renault doesn't, and neither does Red Bull or Mercedes. That says something... either he isn't really that talented or he's hard to work with.
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Let's see

Hakkinnen, Stewart, Lauda, Webber, Ricciardo, Coulthard, yep Barrichello (at some points), Massa, Rosberg

Alonso has quite deliberately taken action that put a lot of people at risk because he felt it was ok.

That's fine - but when you whine about it - thats not fine.
There are good drivers and then there are masters.

Fangio, Senna, Prost, Schumacher and Alonso were masters.
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Old Today, 01:48 AM   #681
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There's a reason he can only find a seat Maclaren.

He's "the most talented driver on the grid" and Ferrari don't want him, Renault doesn't, and neither does Red Bull or Mercedes. That says something... either he isn't really that talented or he's hard to work with.
No team needs him. What for?

Put anyone in the Mercedes and they would have the same number of championships. The teams know it. Look at the results... if not for a weird external crazy factor, race results are arranged by team... teammate followed by teammate. With the odd tire puncture, rain event and pit blunder to spice things up. But driver to driver.... there's all but nothing.
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No team needs him. What for?

Put anyone in the Mercedes and they would have the same number of championships. The teams know it. Look at the results... if not for a weird external crazy factor, race results are arranged by team... teammate followed by teammate. With the odd tire puncture, rain event and pit blunder to spice things up. But driver to driver.... there's all but nothing.
Ok...more than one team have said "no thanks" to your boy get over it
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looks like Ferrari donīt want to win a Championship
Dont really see what you mean there. Kimi puts it on the podium consistently and has no problem moving aside for Vettel. Ferrari would be doing much better this season if not for some poor strategy calls at critical times.

I do not get the hype around Leclerc at all, seems to be a mediocre driver at best. I think he might do well with a season or 2 at Haas, a solid front of the mid pack team and see how/if he develops. I feel its pretty early in his career to move to a top team like Ferrari.
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I'd like to see Leclerc at Haas. And say bye bye to gross jeans
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I'd like to see Leclerc at Haas. And say bye bye to gross jeans
Same here.

If that happens will Grosjean blame Ericsson? Maybe he actually can because he's so slow and making Leclerc look so good.
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There are good drivers and then there are masters.

Fangio, Senna, Prost, Schumacher and Alonso were masters.
agreed.

However, the two who have been struckthrough were whiney babies that deliberately broke rules and endangered others.

I can't comment on Senna and Prost as they were well before my time and the highlights of them clashing is obviously painted in a light meant to show action.
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Dont really see what you mean there. Kimi puts it on the podium consistently and has no problem moving aside for Vettel. Ferrari would be doing much better this season if not for some poor strategy calls at critical times.

I do not get the hype around Leclerc at all, seems to be a mediocre driver at best. I think he might do well with a season or 2 at Haas, a solid front of the mid pack team and see how/if he develops. I feel its pretty early in his career to move to a top team like Ferrari.
I do not disagree with you - but to Torque's point - you have two aging drivers in your car with no succession plan.

You need to have a young driver in the team or then a driver who can mentor Vettel's replacement. Vettel is NOT a good team mate or mentor and will eat any younger driver alive.

http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/...kimi-raikkonen
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Ok...more than one team have said "no thanks" to your boy get over it
What do you mean?

also... and viceversa.

I dont think you quite understand: he was offered all those seats you claim had sais 'no thanks'. Except Mercedes... but BrawnGP which eventually became Mercedes did have an offer for him. Red Bull did too. And of course Ferrari had a long-term contract they wanted for him, but he didnt want to commit. This is why they ended up going for Kimi and Vettel.

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agreed.

However, the two who have been struckthrough were whiney babies that deliberately broke rules and endangered others.

I can't comment on Senna and Prost as they were well before my time and the highlights of them clashing is obviously painted in a light meant to show action.
Senna deliberately crashed into Prost; amongst other things. They all whine.

You know, one day I was helping my kids on a soccer match. There were two groups of kids: a group which played in summer camp leagues (all 8y/o +) and a group of kids who gave 0 craps about soccer (this team included a 5 y/o). The ones on the league formed their own team and chose the goal posts. The goal post for the non-soccer kids had a wall on the right, so it was effectively half a post.

The soccer kids were killing it. I think 7-0. All was good, until one of them checked one of the non-soccer boys to show some dominance. So then I kinda jumped in and joined the team of the non soccer kids. Our team started scoring and soon tied.

Then leader of the soccer kids team literally started bawling crying because the teams were not fair. They quit the game when I reversed the goal posts as well.

This was all 8yr olds. It was hilarious.
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Dont really see what you mean there. Kimi puts it on the podium consistently and has no problem moving aside for Vettel. Ferrari would be doing much better this season if not for some poor strategy calls at critical times.

I do not get the hype around Leclerc at all, seems to be a mediocre driver at best. I think he might do well with a season or 2 at Haas, a solid front of the mid pack team and see how/if he develops. I feel its pretty early in his career to move to a top team like Ferrari.
Leclerc is good. But no way Ferrari are going to put him next to Vettel just yet.

Kimi is doing fine. If Ferrari actually wanted him to win, he would almost certainly be leading Vettel.

Ferrari dont need a succession plan! they have a farm and two other teams training drivers for them (Sauber and Haas). Plus, they have the choice of any other driver who comes into the scene. It is a fact... unlike Red Bull, Ferrari can sign ANY driver, ANY time, with an offer they can't refuse.
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Leclerc is good. But no way Ferrari are going to put him next to Vettel just yet.

Kimi is doing fine. If Ferrari actually wanted him to win, he would almost certainly be leading Vettel.

Ferrari dont need a succession plan! they have a farm and two other teams training drivers for them (Sauber and Haas). Plus, they have the choice of any other driver who comes into the scene. It is a fact... unlike Red Bull, Ferrari can sign ANY driver, ANY time, with an offer they can't refuse.
You cant really argue that. Just look at how the do anything, they just have different rules.

Know what they do when they sell a new "super car" or whatever label people toss around?

They let you know you are allowed to buy one if you want, then ask for a MASSIVE non-refundable deposit (you have ZERO clue on final price). Then after a year or three you get your car and can not sell it for a specific time period, and even then doing the "wrong thing" gets you removed from that "list" faster than you can blink.

Simply put they are Ferrari . . .
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