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#76 | |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 2272
Join Date: Sep 2000
Chapter/Region:
BAIC
Location: Fire Caves
Vehicle:1993 Impreza Racecar 2019 Macan 4cyl |
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If you have like 60k-$300k to spend ya there are a lot of options right now. But even V8 Mustangs and Camaros are 50k+ these days, and all the special edition "cool" stuff is way way too expensive now.
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#77 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 67807
Join Date: Aug 2004
Chapter/Region:
NWIC
Location: por\\and
Vehicle:V^V justrememberall capswhenuspellyomansname |
![]() I think the criteria is feel. Everything is too refined and artificial. Efficient and predictable. Loading up the GTI and holding a skate toward the curb until the very last moment was none of those things. Just a bunch of crazy. Too much torques. Fun.
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#78 | |
Papi Chulo
Moderator Member#: 53794
Join Date: Jan 2004
Chapter/Region:
RMIC
Location: Boner kill city
Vehicle:... 2017 BMW M2 2017 F-150 |
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Edit: Also spec them the same. Cars only get expensive now once you start adding features / comfort packages. Just for reference, a 1989 base 240sx would be almost $28k today. A base 1993 Toyota Supra would be $70k today. Just need to put pricing into perspective. Last edited by godfather2112; 11-07-2019 at 10:32 PM. |
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#79 | |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 2272
Join Date: Sep 2000
Chapter/Region:
BAIC
Location: Fire Caves
Vehicle:1993 Impreza Racecar 2019 Macan 4cyl |
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Just look at Subaru. Yes, they have the WRX and BRZ and the new S209 that we finally get. But lets look at the year 2005... WRX sedan, WRX wagon, STI, Legacy GT sedan with a manual, Legacy GT Wagon with a manual, Outback XT with a manual, Forester Turbo with a manual, Baja Turbo with a manual, and of course all the non-turbos with manuals too, and all of which "fun" cars and under $30k minus the STI. Just recently we lost quite a few models. Focus ST gone, Fiesta ST gone, Focus RS gone, Fiat 500 Abarth gone, Forester Turbo gone, Audi TT is in its last year, Beetle is going. None of which have replacements coming. More and more crossovers are taking their place. Luckily Hyundai/Kia/Genesis are stepping up these last couple years. |
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#80 | |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 163775
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Getting schwifty
Vehicle:2014 Ford Fiester ST Murica Red |
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I'm sure us consumers are partially responsible, but they are trying to make enthusiasts car dual purpose. Let's use the DC2 ITR for example: loads of feedback and stimulation. The price paid for that? Loud ride, sucky audio, zero features, and optional AC. Today's equivalent tries to hard to be a comfortable (enough) daily driver with all the feyixins, and also a race car when you want it to be. The R is an extreme example, but what im getting at is every company is trying to make the swiss army sports car, and the results mostly seem to lack earnest feel. I know there are lots of other reasons why, and I know the days of the raw racer like the ITR are gone (unless you have GT3/Shelby money) but the middle ground seems to be vanishing fast. It would be nice to have some more options in the under 30k price range. For now I'm planning keeping my paid off FWD joy machine, and getting a used M3 or something of the early 2000s or older range to fill my RWD itch. I'm getting sick of being disappointed with all the new offerings. Excuse the typos, I'm tired and don't care to proofread on my phone. Goodnight Gentlemen. |
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#81 |
Papi Chulo
Moderator Member#: 53794
Join Date: Jan 2004
Chapter/Region:
RMIC
Location: Boner kill city
Vehicle:... 2017 BMW M2 2017 F-150 |
![]() So now we're narrowing it down the smallest window of 2002-2005/6 and with Subaru making up the majority of the list as "sports cars?" Also, shame on your for putting the beetle as a sports car. Seems like we're sorta moving the goal post here just a wee bit. I mean, we now have these cars which are under $50k
Audi: A3/S3 A4/S4 A5/S5 BMW: M235i Chevy Camaro Turbo & V8 Fiat Spider Ford Mustang Ecoboost Mustang GT Honda Civic Type R Hyundai Veloster N Infiniti Q60 Jaguar F Type Kia Stinger (maybe a stretch on this one) Mazda Miata Mercedes C43AMG Nissan 370z Subaru Wrx Sti Toyota BRZ Z4 Hardtop, I mean Supra VW GTI R Cars we had back during that limited time frame you gave that we no longer have that would be fun Legacy turbo and spec b Evo S2000 I mean, there's a **** ton of cars offering performance within realistic price ranges from $25k to $50k, maybe $55k. The camaro and mustang were complete dog**** back then. Maybe it's subjective, but I think there are more performance cars now within a realistic range than before and with a **** ton more features. Last edited by godfather2112; 11-08-2019 at 12:20 AM. |
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#82 | |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 2272
Join Date: Sep 2000
Chapter/Region:
BAIC
Location: Fire Caves
Vehicle:1993 Impreza Racecar 2019 Macan 4cyl |
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The point was automakers are cutting down on "enthusiast" cars in the adorable segment. Ford eliminated ALL of them outside the Mustang. Chevy did the same awhile ago with eliminating Pontiac and the SS sedan and all of Holden. Nissan has gone to generic car hell taking Infiniti with it. Mazda has the Miata still but the ND price has balooned and no signs of anything Mazdaspeed in the works. Honda luckily brought the CTR but the S2000 has been gone for awhile and Acura has garbage outside the crazy priced NSX. The enthusiast market is for the rich now. |
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#83 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 10854
Join Date: Oct 2001
Chapter/Region:
SCIC
Location: Los Angeles, CA.
Vehicle:'02 WRX; '08 OBXT; '08 G37 (S/C'd); '09 XF |
![]() And just for clarity, you're setting the threshold at $50k because that is the new $30K?
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#84 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 2272
Join Date: Sep 2000
Chapter/Region:
BAIC
Location: Fire Caves
Vehicle:1993 Impreza Racecar 2019 Macan 4cyl |
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#85 |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 73805
Join Date: Nov 2004
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![]() 2020 Hyundai Veloster N Discount Makes It A Better Deal
The Hyundai Veloster N is a seriously good hot hatchback, and with the standard model starting at $27,400, it’s already a tempting purchase for new-car shoppers. A recent report from Cars Direct suggests it could be even sweeter with some new incentives from Hyundai, taking the form of both discounts and financing offers. Specifically, Cars Direct cites a dealer incentive bulletin as listing a $500 rebate for the Veloster N. An additional $500 rebate is available if you finance through Hyundai, bringing the total discount to $1,000. There’s a catch, however – that extra $500 is only offered if you finance at a non-promotional rate. What does that mean exactly? Hyundai’s other incentive is a 2.9 percent finance rate for up to five years, plus the original $500 rebate. That’s the promotional deal, and depending on the term of the loan and how much you finance, nixing the extra $500 discount for the special rate could save you well over $500 in the long run, and even offer a lower monthly payment in the process. It should be noted that the incentives apply to the upgraded Veloster N with the 275-horsepower (205-kilowatt) performance package as well. We’ve driven the Veloster N and found it to be an exceptionally good performance machine for any genre, not just the front-wheel-drive hatchback segment. Similarly, Road & Track recently crowned the Veloster N as its 2020 performance car of the year, besting not-insignificant competition such as the Porsche 911, Toyota Supra, and the all-new mid-engined 2020 Corvette. Often times, automakers will announce incentives to encourage sales of slow-moving models, but the Veloster is well ahead of 2018 sales figures. 11,220 units are sold through October 2019, compared to just 8,857 last year. Still, that’s a mere fraction compared to the 139,052 Elantras sold through the same period, so we can understand Hyundai adding a bit more incentive for folks to sample its exquisite hot hatch. |
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#86 | |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 442
Join Date: Oct 1999
Chapter/Region:
NESIC
Location: RI/SE Mass
Vehicle:17 Imp Spurt 00 S2k |
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#87 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 170780
Join Date: Feb 2008
Chapter/Region:
SCIC
Location: Orange County
Vehicle:2018 Type RA #350 2021 Honda Civic Type R |
![]() Personally, I hate the pops the N makes, sounds like a broken Ford Focus RS - which also sounds like crap.
The CTR from the outside, yes, it's quite quiet, but in the cabin it's actually decent. I'm used to hi-comp Honda engines that are anything but quiet, but for driving around town it gets the job done. My '07 was just loud and it got old after a while. ![]() |
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#88 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 170780
Join Date: Feb 2008
Chapter/Region:
SCIC
Location: Orange County
Vehicle:2018 Type RA #350 2021 Honda Civic Type R |
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#89 | |
Papi Chulo
Moderator Member#: 53794
Join Date: Jan 2004
Chapter/Region:
RMIC
Location: Boner kill city
Vehicle:... 2017 BMW M2 2017 F-150 |
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#90 |
Scooby Specialist
Member#: 3293
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: CO
Vehicle:'20 Ascent '15 XTerra P4X |
![]() ^^ M2CS. Drool. That car is going to be BA. Lots of existing M2/M2C owners pissing on it for some unknown reason (self-justification maybe?) but it's quite a pkg. We should be thankful BMW is still offering the M2 family of awesome. ****ting on a fully-optioned offering may make them change their minds. It's cost is pricey, but it's less than the sum of it's options. Half of the owners have modded their M2s up to and we'll past where the M2CS is at.
If I had the extra $ to go for it, I would - P-cars STILL way outside that price. |
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#91 | |
Papi Chulo
Moderator Member#: 53794
Join Date: Jan 2004
Chapter/Region:
RMIC
Location: Boner kill city
Vehicle:... 2017 BMW M2 2017 F-150 |
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For $100k, I’m looking at P cars, not a M2. Different strokes for different folks but the CS is just asinine pricing and just a BMW whore collector car. |
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#92 | |
Merci Buckets
Moderator Member#: 88606
Join Date: Jun 2005
Chapter/Region:
MWSOC
Location: Michigan
Vehicle:2018 Grand Cherokee Velvet Red Pearl |
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#93 | |
Scooby Guru
Member#: 44501
Join Date: Oct 2003
Chapter/Region:
NWIC
Location: Yeah, well, you know
Vehicle:that 's, like, your alternate facts, man. |
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Not a big rally fan, eh? AWD > FWD > RWD in the rally world with only a few exceptions. The whole reason FWD gained prominence with the public was the excellent foul weather handling and grip that comes from having 60% of the car's weight over the drive wheels. |
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#94 | |
Papi Chulo
Moderator Member#: 53794
Join Date: Jan 2004
Chapter/Region:
RMIC
Location: Boner kill city
Vehicle:... 2017 BMW M2 2017 F-150 |
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This is why I could never be a car collector, I’d want to drive the piss out of all of them. |
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#95 |
Scooby Newbie
Member#: 446096
Join Date: May 2016
Vehicle:2018 MB- AMG GLC43 Prior-MB GLE/13WRX/06STI |
![]() C43AMG under $50k ? Uh, no.
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#96 |
Papi Chulo
Moderator Member#: 53794
Join Date: Jan 2004
Chapter/Region:
RMIC
Location: Boner kill city
Vehicle:... 2017 BMW M2 2017 F-150 |
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