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Old 05-16-2002, 09:58 PM   #1
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Default Help . . . i'm new to driving a manual

i was just wondering why the car shakes some times when i start off in first and then sometimes when i shift into secod. the shaking is violent sometimes and it starts right when i engage the clutch.

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Old 05-16-2002, 11:48 PM   #2
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ease up on the clutch a little, that happens to most people when they start off. You haven't quite found the sweet spot in your car yet. keep at it, it'll come to you. just let it off slower, but don't give it too much gas or you'll fry the clutch if you let it out slow! NOTHING beats driving a manual impreza!!!
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Old 05-17-2002, 12:04 AM   #3
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Is the engine cold when this happens?? This happens to mine when it is cold because the engine is much slower and if you shift too fast it boggs a little. Hope this helps.

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Old 05-17-2002, 12:19 AM   #4
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u may not be putting enough gas, it'll shake if u feed it too little gas
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Old 05-17-2002, 01:38 AM   #5
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when the car shakes that means it's close to stalling out right?
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Old 05-17-2002, 09:46 AM   #6
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Try out this website might help...

http://www.learn2.com/06/0689/0689.asp
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Old 05-17-2002, 09:56 AM   #7
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i was just wondering why the car shakes some times when i start off in first and then sometimes when i shift into secod. the shaking is violent sometimes and it starts right when i engage the clutch.
Sounds like what others have said, you're not used to letting the clutch out/giving gas in the right amounts yet. So you're embarassing the rest of us!! just kidding, keep practicing, you'll get it down pretty quickly. Have a buddy that knows how to drive a manual help you, too.
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Old 05-17-2002, 10:46 AM   #8
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Is this a brand new car???


If not you might be experiencing clutch shudder.


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Old 05-17-2002, 11:15 AM   #9
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If you're new to driving manual then you just need practice. No biggie. There is something called clutch shudder, but shouldn't be as bad as you described. And it'll disappear once the car quickly warms up.
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Old 05-17-2002, 12:04 PM   #10
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Ok... how about this. I have been driving a manual for about 12 years. I pride myself on my no clutch stop signs. Get the car to a stop without the clutch, leave it in second and give it easy gas.


Lately my car has occationally (twice) thumped really loud a long with lack of power. I don't know the end result, just because the clutch gets stepped on immediately.

Anyone know?
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Old 05-17-2002, 05:14 PM   #11
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^ I used to do that but now i try to avoid just leaving it in 2nd to a stop sign. We may have monster torque but i still felt my engine being strained, not to mention you have to ride ur second gear a lot more. so i try not to be lazy and stick it in first whenever i stop

^ also to answer ur question, your car will stall due to the lack of gas
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Old 05-17-2002, 05:19 PM   #12
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I'm not in a subie.. I am in a low torque honda. It's weird... I'm giving it gas, it starts to go, and THUD, it conks on me. Kind of embarrassing. I consider myself pretty smooth on the manual.
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Old 05-17-2002, 05:25 PM   #13
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I'm not in a subie.. I am in a low torque honda. It's weird... I'm giving it gas, it starts to go, and THUD, it conks on me. Kind of embarrassing. I consider myself pretty smooth on the manual.
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Old 05-17-2002, 05:35 PM   #14
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Check out this web site http://www.spdusa.com/shifting.htm it is specific to the subaru driveline. Lots of good info on driving tips etc...

Lot's of complaints about the subaru clutch shudder. It seems to be true for all subaru clutches that the take up is not as smooth as it could be. However with some practice and technique modification you can drive the subarus pretty smooth.

Here's how i start from a dead stop. Blip throttle to 1500-1700 rpm, as i roll OFF the throttle, let out the clutch to that "sweet spot" while continuing to roll off the gas. The trick is in the rate that you roll OFF the gas and let out the clutch. When you get the timing right the result is a smooth launch with minimal clutch slippage.

Not the best technique if you are racing but should extend the life of your clutch and driveline.

keep practicing. next step rev matched downshifts and heel-toe braking.
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Old 05-18-2002, 04:46 PM   #15
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I'm not in a subie.. I am in a low torque honda. It's weird... I'm giving it gas, it starts to go, and THUD, it conks on me. Kind of embarrassing. I consider myself pretty smooth on the manual.
the honda i used to have did that too. start rolling away in a high gear then BANG and its dead, but still rolling
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Old 05-19-2002, 01:34 AM   #16
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On jerky changes this is probably due to not getting the revs high enough before releasing the clutch pedal. Another thing might be releasing the clutch too quickly. A too low rpm the sudden load with cause a stall from which the application of the gas pedal might allow recovery. If the car jerks the driver might jerk the gas pedal or clutch slightly repeating the problem (a theory).

If you have a new car the clutch might not be seated propertly yet which might make it more prone to the shuddering and or jerky changes. Smoking the clutch once or twice should help this so long as you don't over do it. If it only happens on cold days and doesn't seem to get better whatever you try then probably there something wrong with it and you should take it to your dealer on a cold day and ask them.

fourwheel's technique seems good but I would just smoothly apply gas while releaseing the clutch. The trick is get the rates of declutch and the rate of throttle application right so the clutch can engage without stalling the engine but the revs a low enough to minimize clutch slip. (Not sure what the blip gets you from a standing start. Sounds a bit like heel and toe but that's for down shifting )

After moving off, I have found sifting around 3K to 4K works best in the WRX for 1st thru 3rd for normal driving. Below this its more trick to find the balance making jerky shifts and engine stalls more likely.

I don't recommend trying moving off in second in any car. Its hard on the engine (except in special circumstances like ice ) and not very effective. You don't need to change down to 1st if you don't stop but the WRX is a bit higher geared and so if you get really slow you may need to either change to 1st or increase the revs and slip the clutch as you move through. I prefer the former but do both depending on the circumstance.

The (UK) text book technique for stops and starts is it apply the hand brake and put it in neutral, wait until it safe to proceed, declutch; into first gear; ease the clutch and apply gas biting point while holding the hand brake. To move off release the hand brake while release the clutch an appling gas. The hand brake is not strictly necessary on the flat but a good habit since it is necessary on a slope since your brake foot is needed for the gas.

4x4GGG I don't understand what you mean "no clutch stop signs". Unless you are not actually stopping it seems like you must be breaking and giving gas at the same time to hold the car at a stop with the clutch still engaged. If so this sounds real hard on the car to me and I recommend you start using the clutch. Might be why you are having trouble. With practise you can transition through a stop quickly so i don' t see the advantage of what you seem to describe at least for normal street driving

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