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Old 07-07-2013, 09:26 PM   #251
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you never see runway at SFO until you are touching down. I'm sure the passengers knew ....

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Also I thought it was very obvious (to a passenger looking out to the window) to sense your height on approach, even if it's over water.
how often do you fly Indocti? and how often have you flown into SFO on 28R/L?

I spent my childhood flying between parents in the Midwest and east coast, so it was typically a ohare/midway/mke to jfk/Newark/LaGuardia about 6-7 times a year. so figure about ~150 flights by the time I was eighteen. this does not include random family vacations, or other travel. sure, there are people that fly a hell of a lot more than me, but I've spent a decent amount of time on planes.

the first time I flew into san fran (~'08) we landed on 28R and I thought we were going to die. on approach you see nothing but water as you get closer, then even closer, then some instrumentation, and you're on the ground.
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Old 07-07-2013, 09:27 PM   #252
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How is the pilot going to request a go-around 1.5 seconds before impact?

No ****ing clue. Imaging this, five seconds before that all seemed well.

Here's a neat link

http://flyingprofessors.net/what-hap...-flight-214-2/
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Old 07-07-2013, 09:31 PM   #253
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How is the pilot going to request a go-around 1.5 seconds before impact?

He didn't request it. ATC tapes show that. I think what the news meant is that, according to the black box info, the pilot increased the throttle 1.5 seconds prior to landing (or that the pilots said something to one another).
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Old 07-07-2013, 09:32 PM   #254
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Apparently a fire truck may have run over one of the dead victims.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local...214546021.html
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Old 07-07-2013, 09:48 PM   #255
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He didn't request it. ATC tapes show that. I think what the news meant is that, according to the black box info, the pilot increased the throttle 1.5 seconds prior to landing (or that the pilots said something to one another).
NTSB said the cockpit recorder showed one pilot asking/telling the other to do a go around.
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Old 07-07-2013, 09:52 PM   #256
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Here's the NTSB Media Brief
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Old 07-07-2013, 10:06 PM   #257
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the first time I flew into san fran (~'08) we landed on 28R and I thought we were going to die. on approach you see nothing but water as you get closer, then even closer, then some instrumentation, and you're on the ground.
My parents said the same thing about flying into Honolulu. My first (and so far only) 747 flight, we landed on 4R at Logan. We had barely gotten down to taxiing speed before taking a 90 degree left, giving me a wonderful view of the water a few hundred feet away from my window seat. I did not like that flight.
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Old 07-07-2013, 10:09 PM   #258
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Questions start at 18:01.
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Old 07-07-2013, 10:36 PM   #259
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how often do you fly Indocti? and how often have you flown into SFO on 28R/L?

I spent my childhood flying between parents in the Midwest and east coast, so it was typically a ohare/midway/mke to jfk/Newark/LaGuardia about 6-7 times a year. so figure about ~150 flights by the time I was eighteen. this does not include random family vacations, or other travel. sure, there are people that fly a hell of a lot more than me, but I've spent a decent amount of time on planes.

the first time I flew into san fran (~'08) we landed on 28R and I thought we were going to die. on approach you see nothing but water as you get closer, then even closer, then some instrumentation, and you're on the ground.
once a month. lots of JFK and lga flights. almost all of my sfo landings are over water.

whenever I sense an out of ordinary landing( extreme cross winds, extreme tail winds our head winds, late touchdowns, etc) ,I ask the flight crew if this is what happened and they will affirm it almost all the time.

the most baffling to me was the lack of use of thrust reversers in the virgin 747s. the crew maintained that it was unnecessary as the brakes were good enough. the 340s not so much
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Old 07-07-2013, 10:46 PM   #260
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Old 07-07-2013, 10:51 PM   #261
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No ****ing clue. Imaging this, five seconds before that all seemed well.

Here's a neat link

http://flyingprofessors.net/what-hap...-flight-214-2/
I dunno **** about ****, but that looks an awful lot like how I crash planes on approach in flight simulators. Too high and too fast for most of the approach, followed by a drastic slowing and far too rapid descent right near the end that ends in a pancaked airplane.

I guess what I'm saying is that, knowing nothing aside from that info, it looks a lot like fairly gross pilot error.
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I dunno **** about ****, but that looks an awful lot like how I crash planes on approach in flight simulators. Too high and too fast for most of the approach, followed by a drastic slowing and far too rapid descent right near the end that ends in a pancaked airplane.

I guess what I'm saying is that, knowing nothing aside from that info, it looks a lot like fairly gross pilot error.
It was a good approach...


...if you're planning to land on an aircraft carrier in a fighter.


I wonder if the pilots were former military.
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Old 07-07-2013, 11:17 PM   #263
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CNN reporting that the pilot at the controls had 4300 43 hours.


dafuq?
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Old 07-07-2013, 11:19 PM   #264
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What?

What's required for rating?
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Old 07-07-2013, 11:19 PM   #265
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CNN also reporting that ammo is exploding on the plane.
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San Francisco (CNN) -- [Breaking news update, 9:57 p.m. ET]

--The pilot sitting in the captain's seat of Asiana Airlines Flight 214 was identified as Lee Kang-gook, Choi Jeong-ho, the head of the South Korea's Aviation Policy Bureau, said Sunday. Lee had 43 hours of experience flying the B777-200, he said.

--South Korean and U.S. investigators will jointly question Lee Kang-gook, who was sitting in the captain's seat of Asiana Flight 214 on Monday, Choi Jeong-ho, the head of South Korean's Aviation Policy Bureau, said Sunday. They will also question Lee Jeong-min, who was sitting in the co-pilot's seat, he said.
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What the ****......
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Old 07-07-2013, 11:28 PM   #268
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43 hours?
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Old 07-07-2013, 11:31 PM   #269
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Guess you got to start somewhere...
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Old 07-07-2013, 11:38 PM   #270
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I dunno **** about ****, but that looks an awful lot like how I crash planes on approach in flight simulators. Too high and too fast for most of the approach, followed by a drastic slowing and far too rapid descent right near the end that ends in a pancaked airplane.

I guess what I'm saying is that, knowing nothing aside from that info, it looks a lot like fairly gross pilot error.
I had the same thought, "Wow, that looks like the way I have crashed lost of different planes on the puter."

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43 hours?
Sounds like about 1.5 round trips, or more specifically 1.49999. It sucks that people died, but from the video of it looking like it is near cartwheeling I am amazed that so many people lived, had I been the one seeing it I would have been really surprised that there was no immediate giant ball of flame and would assume that everyone on the flight had died.
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CNN reporting that the pilot at the controls had 4300 43 hours.


dafuq?
Did they count the 10 hours of this flight?

Does it count if you crash?
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Old 07-07-2013, 11:47 PM   #272
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I'm sure it meant 43 hours in the 777, not total time. Regardless, that is probably crappy reporting. It's not likely that a pilot with 43 hours in type is flying in the left seat.
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Old 07-07-2013, 11:49 PM   #273
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You have a nice day too. I am not a pilot, but I felt empathy for the people on that flight. So sue me.
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:05 AM   #274
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You have a nice day too. I am not a pilot, but I felt empathy for the people on that flight. So sue me.
Unless you've been in a plane crash, it's sympathy, not empathy.
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:06 AM   #275
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Man I hope CNN misreported that. 43 hours
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