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Old 02-14-2020, 04:01 PM   #476
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I think you and I share a lot of the same likes and dislikes when it comes to cars.
In general, I'm not comfortable with small sedans, if the vehicle has to be compact, I strongly prefer a 3-door, 5-door, a hatchback or a liftback.
It comes from growing up overseas around legions of compact 3-door, 5-door, liftbacks and wagons.
If the vehicle has to be a sedan then it has to be midsize or fullsize; that's why I instantly liked the BM-sized Legacy.
The BL is a fine automobile but it was barely bigger than the GD; didn't work for me.
Back in 2015, I considered the SS, but as you said, too spendy, considered also the Taurus SHO, very few around, kind of spendy as well because of scarcity, it only left 300 and Charger for large and affordable RWD sedans.
I had no previous experience with FCA or Dodge; basically, didn't know much about Charger/300 until I researched details on the platform.
I didn't find anything scarier on Charger than what we routinely see here about the EJ25 turbo .
That being said, my 06 GG still has impeccable body panel fitment and my Dodge had at least one door that wasn't hanged / lined-up to my liking and the dealer happily addressed it.
It's not a perfect car but it just doesn't look/feel like it's going to fall apart anytime soon (jinx !).
In fact, if I can't get into a wagon, I'm super tempted to trade in my RT (and finally sell my 06 GG) for a Widebody Scat Pack (305 tires all around !).

Not going to lie, the widebody scat pack looks pretty awesome and significantly improves the handling (from reviews anyways); wish it got the 6mt though, but yeah, tempting indeed.

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Part of me is tempted to just buy a new OBXT to drop it at least 2" to 3".
But, I know from experience that fiddling with suspension geometry can be a long process until I settle on something I'm comfortable with.
I wish Subaru or STI would put a kit out there to properly lower Outback; I'd happily pay for that (springs, shocks, anti-roll bars, anything to address steering geometry issues,...).
IIRC they still have pucks/spacers between the body and subframes, so there's a 1/2" without screwing up the geometry! I hear you though, once you start lowering vehicles without properly modified/designed hard parts you start to get into handling foibles. I wonder if Legacy Sedan components would work for that; not sure how dissimilar the model lines are now, but it's worth an investigation if you're considering dropping an OBXT.
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Old 02-14-2020, 04:33 PM   #477
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When I bought it it was in decent shape. But it had fading and bad chips and some dents on the front panels as well as the foggy headlights. It had an accessory hood guard that messed up the paint underneath as well. It was over 10 years old so to be expected. Then I put it into a ditch avoiding a car during a snow storm. It was a slow slide >5 mph that popped the passenger headlight and pushed in the hood and fender on that side so I had to make a choice when fixing it. I opted for the new face because It looks waaaay better IMO. Not a big swap actually, the hoods are the same. Wiring harnesses same. Matching the paint is really the only concern, but I was going to redo the front anyway so.

I threw on the '08 Outback taillights to clean the rear up and match the front too. But the point is all these parts are USDM. I can crunch the front up again and use USDM parts, not have to re source parts from overseas. Guys do this and I'm like no way. The '08 style is so good looking and has clean lines, I'm good.

That front bumper is USDM? Man. I cannot remember those. Looks good. Really like the look of those wheels on it as well.
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Old 02-14-2020, 05:00 PM   #478
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When I bought it it was in decent shape. But it had fading and bad chips and some dents on the front panels as well as the foggy headlights. It had an accessory hood guard that messed up the paint underneath as well. It was over 10 years old so to be expected. Then I put it into a ditch avoiding a car during a snow storm. It was a slow slide >5 mph that popped the passenger headlight and pushed in the hood and fender on that side so I had to make a choice when fixing it. I opted for the new face because It looks waaaay better IMO. Not a big swap actually, the hoods are the same. Wiring harnesses same. Matching the paint is really the only concern, but I was going to redo the front anyway so.

I threw on the '08 Outback taillights to clean the rear up and match the front too. But the point is all these parts are USDM. I can crunch the front up again and use USDM parts, not have to re source parts from overseas. Guys do this and I'm like no way. The '08 style is so good looking and has clean lines, I'm good.
If you and Justy hadn't say anything, I would have never picked up on all the work you've done on the car.
It just looks like all of it belonged there in the first place; I'll admit I suck at body work. It just scares me. Well done !
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Old 02-14-2020, 06:18 PM   #479
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I like the bigger D pillar window of the Legacy. The tiny wagon windows to not draw attention to it being a wagon like the CTS wagon did is kinda lame.
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Old 02-14-2020, 07:07 PM   #480
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08 is where it's at! Good job! Sorry for confusing Justy. I knew it was your car.

Levorg looks like it has 5 windows on one side with its attempt to not look like a wagon.

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Old 02-14-2020, 07:38 PM   #481
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Thanks Chano!

The sloped roof and straight sills are less pinched on the Legacy as well. I think my car with GD sedan fender flares would look real good.
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Old 02-15-2020, 02:23 PM   #482
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with 5 hatchbacks already in the U.S Subaru lineup...I dont see why Subaru would have any interest in a 6th by selling the levorg here. I could be wrong though...why would they want to dilute sales of the outback and ascent?
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Old 02-15-2020, 02:56 PM   #483
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with 5 hatchbacks already in the U.S Subaru lineup...I dont see why Subaru would have any interest in a 6th by selling the levorg here. I could be wrong though...why would they want to dilute sales of the outback and ascent?
I think Subaru could offer a trim of the Outback XT that is more Legacy than Outback. A tS type trim with slim alloy roof rails, 2 inch drop and Bilsteins, and front rear bumper covers more Legacy or Levorg than Outback. Brembos and wheels from the STI bolt right up too. It would easily quiet Levorg nerds like myself. They could do the same for the Legacy XT, essentially revamping the SpecB model and produced here.
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Old 02-15-2020, 03:20 PM   #484
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I think Subaru could offer a trim of the Outback XT that is more Legacy than Outback. A tS type trim with slim alloy roof rails, 2 inch drop and Bilsteins, and front rear bumper covers more Legacy or Levorg than Outback. Brembos and wheels from the STI bolt right up too. It would easily quiet Levorg nerds like myself. They could do the same for the Legacy XT, essentially revamping the SpecB model and produced here.
It would be better looking than the levorg too. The new outback is attractive.
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Old 02-15-2020, 04:04 PM   #485
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I think Subaru could offer a trim of the Outback XT that is more Legacy than Outback. A tS type trim with slim alloy roof rails, 2 inch drop and Bilsteins, and front rear bumper covers more Legacy or Levorg than Outback. Brembos and wheels from the STI bolt right up too. It would easily quiet Levorg nerds like myself. They could do the same for the Legacy XT, essentially revamping the SpecB model and produced here.
they should make their own lineup. we already have the brz ts, add a ts line to the outback and legacy. even it is just cvt, we will swap the manual ourselves if we want. I think fear of low sales and production capacity is holding Subaru back though
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Old 02-15-2020, 04:54 PM   #486
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It would be better looking than the levorg too. The new outback is attractive.
The front bumpers giant unpainted black mustache on the Outback makes it look terrible and cheap. At leas the Limited and Touring models have some BS silver **** on the bottom to try to make it look better. T
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Old 02-17-2020, 03:35 PM   #487
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Numbers for 1.8 DIT are 200hp/6000rpm and 285Nm/4000rpm. The engine is designed to consume/emit less than it's predecessor, the 1.6.
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Old 02-17-2020, 08:48 PM   #488
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Numbers for 1.8 DIT are 200hp/6000rpm and 285Nm/4000rpm. The engine is designed to consume/emit less than it's predecessor, the 1.6.
https://news.line.me/issue/oa-bestca..._campaign=none
This motor seems perfect for the US market, to compete with Honda's 1.5T.

Hyundai has a 201 hp 1.6T but don't think they use it in any of the SUVs.
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Hyundai has a 201 hp 1.6T but don't think they use it in any of the SUVs.
Hyundai/Kia uses a variation of that 1.6T engine (175 hp tune) in the Kona and Seltos. Still a peppy engine in those vehicles.
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with 5 hatchbacks already in the U.S Subaru lineup...I dont see why Subaru would have any interest in a 6th by selling the levorg here. I could be wrong though...why would they want to dilute sales of the outback and ascent?
Outback and Ascent are in a completely different category.

That's like asking why they sell a sedan impreza and a sedan legacy...
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