Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Thursday July 20, 2017
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC General > News & Rumors > Non-Subaru News & Rumors

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads. 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-10-2015, 08:49 AM   #1
AVANTI R5
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 73805
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: NEPA
Vehicle:
2017 911 Turbo
Miami Blue

Default What The Hell Happened To The Kia GT4 Stinger Concept?



Quote:
t's January again, and that means that the world's bravest, smartest, thirstiest, most upstanding human beings ó its automotive journalists ó will venture to a frigid land known as Detroit in search of shrimp cocktails, free booze, and the promise of dream cars yet to come.
Everything That's Awful About The Detroit Auto Show

There is much confusion and misinformation surrounding the actual definition of the phraseÖ Read more


Last year's Detroit Auto Show seemed extremely promising for people who enjoy the pursuit of speed. I even wrote about all the cool stuff it had for enthusiasts, like the production 2015 Subaru WRX, the surprise Toyota FT-1 concept, the retro-tastic Nissan IDx Nismo, and the Corvette Z06. Maybe the car companies listen to us after all, I said.
A year later some of those things have become realities and some have not. Such is the way of auto shows. The FT-1 remains an interesting design study, possible proof that someone at Toyota still has a pulse, though it might influence the future Supra, whenever that happens. Nissan can't quite figure out what to do with the IDx.
But there's one very exciting concept, easily the most exciting idea that manufacturer has ever floated, that has all but disappeared from the "Will they or won't they?" news cycle: the Kia GT4 Stinger.

Kia's GT4 Stinger Concept Is The BRZ Fighter That You'll Want So Badly

We've seen pictures of Kia's plucky-looking little sports car before, and I'm happyÖ Read more


What the hell happened to the Kia GT4 Stinger, man? 23
4
This was an interesting machine. It was "Shut up and take my money" levels of interesting. Rear-wheel drive, a curb weight of just 2,874 pounds, six-speed manual, a turbo four putting out 315 horsepower, and a sleek, modern design. The damn thing also just looked good, especially in person.5
And unlike a good many concept cars, the Stinger was actually drivable. It was built on a custom tube-frame chassis, not a current Hyundai or Kia platform like you might expect.
Very clearly inspired by the unexpected sales success of the Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ, the Stinger seemed a perfect fit for the purest, most wonderful class of car there is: the small, affordable rear-drive sports car.
6
7

Kia even told us
the idea was for it to be "a car that's pared down and simplified" and has "a more direct, analog connection between themselves and the machine." That seemed to make a lot of sense, especially after it came out that the next Hyundai Genesis Coupe would be more luxurious, more like the sedan it gets its name from, and more expensive. One would think Hyundai and Kia might need something to take its place, then.
It almost goes without saying why this car would be important to the Korean brands, but while you're here, I'll go ahead and say it anyway. Over the past 20 years they've gone from obscure, bargain-basement penalty boxes to cars that can at least compete in every segment ó mid-size sedans, minivans, SUVs, and even luxury cars.
Except one ó sports cars. Performance cars. Stuff that's fun to drive. Whatever you want to call it, they aren't really there yet. The Genesis Coupe was a solid attempt, but it didn't exactly ignite a tuner car renaissance the way everyone thought it would, and it's since become resigned to also-ran status behind the BRZ, Mustang and other, better competitors.


It's not surprising why that's the case. Unlike nearly every other automobile-producing nation, South Korea doesn't really have a long history of motorsports and racing, or even open roads. (It wasn't even really a modern democracy until the 1980s or so.) They've been playing catch up since then, but they just don't have much to build on when it comes to making fast, sporting cars.
That's another reason the Stinger was so exciting. It was like it was Kia's way of saying to the world, "We're here. We've arrived. We're ready to take our place at the table." And enthusiasts who would never have even considered the brand before were paying attention.
But nothing ever happened, and it still hasn't. For this story I reached out to Scott McKee, one of Kia's communications guys in the U.S., and here's what he told me:
We, too, are passionate about the GT4 Stinger and hopeful that it will go into production. At this point, however, we've not made any additional announcements regarding its future.89
That's a shame. Maybe Kia will surprise us at one of the auto shows this year. I still think there's a place at the table for the Stinger. They've gotta start somewhere, and this seems like it could be a pretty strong place.
http://jalopnik.com/what-the-hell-ha...%28Jalopnik%29
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
AVANTI R5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Old 06-19-2017, 07:35 AM   #2
AVANTI R5
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 73805
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: NEPA
Vehicle:
2017 911 Turbo
Miami Blue

Default

Quote:
Kia Stinger review: Kia tackles BMW head on

Youíre telling us Kia has decided to make a fast and slinky rear-drive saloon?

Yes, the Kia Stinger is exactly that. Well apart from the saloon bit: itís a hatch. Think of it as a BMW 4-Series Gran Coupe, but a little longer and lower. Kia seems to have had the idea before BMW, with the Kia GT show car in 2011.

Not exactly Kiaís core territory though?

No, but donít underestimate this Korean giantís reach. As part of the Hyundai Motor group, they have access to modern rear-drive platforms from the new Genesis brand. They already build the twin-turbo V6 (a 3.3-litre with 370bhp), their own eight-speed auto, etcetera. All in a body made of their own steel, carried to Europe in ships they constructed.

Howís it look outside a motor show?

Pretty good. The long, low proportions help. The cabinís set well back, and from the rear you notice a voluptuous swell over the rear wheels. Kiaís head of design at its European studio authored the Stinger. Heís Gregory Guillaume, a Frenchman whoís worked for strong European design houses before Kia.

Guillaume pushed for the long wheelbase, so he could lower the seats and roof yet leave legroom intact. He didnít want a deploying rear spoiler, because it would have added cut-lines. So the team went for careful underfloor aero instead.

Even so, there are a lot of cuts at the back. But itís a striking and graceful machine overall, and not too aggressive. That matches its driving character, as weíll see.

And underneath?

Just as Kia had built its first chassis-test mule for the Stinger (under a Genesis GT body) the parent corporation took on Albert Biermann to be its boss of dynamics. He used to have the same job at BMW M. Biermann has taken an extremely close interest in the Stingerís development.

Though the engine is fundamentally an existing job, the chassis is largely new. The front suspension is entirely bespoke, the rear heavily modified. Adaptive dampers are standard on the V6.

Of course, very few people in Europe will buy a V6 petrol Kia Ė after all, very few actually buy six-cylinder petrol BMWs. The big(ger) sellers in Britain will be a 2.0 turbo petrol of 255bhp, and a 200bhp 2.2 diesel.

In some places thereís an AWD option, but the front diff is installed where the RHD steering column would be, so we donít get it here.

So can Kia build a decent sporty rear-driver?

Yes. But this judgment comes with a big proviso: we were confined to track testing it. At the NŁrburgring. Still, its blind tightening corners, bumps and dips and crests do make a good job of imitating an interesting hilly road.

The Stingerís great talent is how natural it feels. You sit low, and address the wheel and pedals straight-ahead. Thatís good for the articulation of your arms and legs. Then its reactions are reassuring and predictable. Thatís most welcome on a track that often springs a new surprise just as you are picking your way through the last one.

Turn the wheel and the body moves exactly as youíd subconsciously expect. Big saloons with Ďsportyí bent sometimes give you initial sog followed by a sudden twitch. Instead the Stinger is progressive. The roll, of which there isnít too much, also develops in proportion. Which makes it a reassuring car to drive briskly. It will react to trimming the line by throttle. Traction out of bends is stout, helped by limited-slip differential, and the stability control does its work subtly.

Itís not razor-sharp (norís a 4-Series unless itís an M4, and they donít do an M4 in the GC body) but itís game and dignified. Doesnít feel out of its depth even under this provocation.

I also had a lap in the 4WD version. Itís supposed to be rear-biased, but feels more mute and unreactive in corners, and the 2WD one would out-accelerate it noticeably in the lower gears because of weight and rotational inertia. Mind you, the weather was warm and dry. In the wet 4WD would help, but itís not a choice weíll have here.

And the engine?

At 1,730kg, the Stinger isnít a light car, because the body is almost all steel and itís longer than direct competitors. Even so it doesnít hang about: the 370bhp V6 does 0-62mph in 5.1 seconds, says Kia. The engine lags a bit until youíve got some revs up, then it hits its stride with a nice harmonious warble. The transmission shifts slickly, but the paddles wonít entirely over-ride it.

The suspension seems to avoid too much bangínícrash on notorious bits of the ĎRing such as the Karussell, but really itíd be premature to give a verdict on ride comfort.

What about the cabin?

Kia has gone for lots of hardware switches Ė climate, stereo, seat heaters etc all have their own buttons, whereas rivals do some or all of that on screens. I prefer the Kia approach. You can do common things by sense of touch alone.

A head-up display is augmented by a configurable TFT between the real dials. Some 15 speakers of Harman Kardon audio goodness are on the options list. We see no glaring omissions in the connectivity or active safety line-up, but on the other hand itís not going to try to drive itself.

The seats are plushly padded, but managed to hold me in place as we squiggled between the Armco through the Eifel forest.

When, and how much?

It comes to the UK in late autumn. No exact word on prices, but the hints are that itíll cost slightly less than an equivalently powered BMW 4-Series, despite being a bit bigger.

Kia has to carry a badge discount compared with the Germans, surelyÖ

Exactly. Sure, the Sportage and Soul sold well on their styling, but at this higher level people want a brand. Kiaís main hope is the Stinger causes people to take the rest of its range more seriously.






AVANTI R5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2017, 08:34 AM   #3
Blitzkrieg
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 14913
Join Date: Feb 2002
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Vehicle:
2003 Lock Stock and
2 Smoking Barrels "wrx"

Default

I still see the Stinger as a Korean version of the Vauxhall XVR, Chevy SS or Holden Commodore...

BlitZ
Blitzkrieg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2017, 09:00 AM   #4
SCRAPPYDO
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 873
Join Date: Feb 2000
Chapter/Region: TXIC
Location: www.testdrivemylife.com
Vehicle:
2014 GLK/allroad
Datsun 71 240Z & 68 2000

Default

and that is not a bad thing at all.
SCRAPPYDO is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2017, 11:02 AM   #5
Genericuser1
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 378822
Join Date: Jan 2014
Vehicle:
2006 Mini Van
Does it matter?

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
I still see the Stinger as a Korean version of the Vauxhall XVR, Chevy SS or Holden Commodore...

BlitZ
But one that looks better, is more practical, has available AWD and a better warranty, not seeing a downside. Oh and has a former M division guy heading up development.
Genericuser1 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2017, 11:27 AM   #6
MaddMax
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 9264
Join Date: Aug 2001
Vehicle:
2016 BMW M235i 6MT

Default

Needs body colored fender and hood vents. Perhaps a body colored piece in the middle of the grill (ie similar look to the BMW kidneys). Mild flat black front lip spoiler. Acceptance that 370hp in a Hyundai is not like 370hp in a German car.
MaddMax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-19-2017, 01:39 PM   #7
OrbitalEllipses
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 178811
Join Date: Apr 2008
Chapter/Region: MAIC
Location: MoCo
Vehicle:
2011 White Corolla
Over 400hp

Default

Ass looks good, face needs work.
OrbitalEllipses is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2017, 07:15 AM   #8
AVANTI R5
Scooby Guru
 
Member#: 73805
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: NEPA
Vehicle:
2017 911 Turbo
Miami Blue

Default

I thought it was a 2018 Optima
AVANTI R5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2017, 10:05 AM   #9
Genericuser1
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 378822
Join Date: Jan 2014
Vehicle:
2006 Mini Van
Does it matter?

Default

Where is the love, RWD or AWD, Hatch, over 300hp, mainstream manufacturer...? Only thing that would make it better is if it was a wagon.
Genericuser1 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2017, 10:53 AM   #10
Sid03SVT
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 183032
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: CT
Vehicle:
OLD Family Wagon
mundane

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Genericuser1 View Post
Where is the love, RWD or AWD, Hatch, over 300hp, mainstream manufacturer...? Only thing that would make it better is if it was a wagon.
My short list:
NO MANUAL
Heavy at 3,800lbs est.
Brand stigma (whether accurate or not)
Badge vs. Price (similar to brand stigma)

I don't hate the styling, but once you crack the 40k price tag and 3,500lb curb weight, I expect more cylinders and magnetic suspension (mentions adaptive in the rear but not front).
Sid03SVT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2017, 02:22 PM   #11
Genericuser1
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 378822
Join Date: Jan 2014
Vehicle:
2006 Mini Van
Does it matter?

Default

You are not going to get a manual in this sort of car typically, the SS manual is the rare recent example.

It's a large grand tourer that seats 5 with lots of trunk space.

So $40k for a Golf, STI, Camaro, Charger is OK but not this?
Genericuser1 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2017, 03:10 PM   #12
Sid03SVT
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 183032
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: CT
Vehicle:
OLD Family Wagon
mundane

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Genericuser1 View Post
You are not going to get a manual in this sort of car typically, the SS manual is the rare recent example.

It's a large grand tourer that seats 5 with lots of trunk space.

So $40k for a Golf, STI, Camaro, Charger is OK but not this?
Sti - starts at 35k and has a manual
Golf R - starts at 35k and has a manual
Camaro V8 - starts at 37k and has a manual
Charger V8 - starts at 35k (slushbox only, & I won't touch FCA)

and there is still that badge issue
Sid03SVT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-20-2017, 05:28 PM   #13
neg_matnik
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 132389
Join Date: Nov 2006
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: SF Bay Area
Vehicle:
2006 WRX Wagon SGM
2003 SV1000S, 2014 DL650

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sid03SVT View Post
Sti - starts at 35k and has a manual
Golf R - starts at 35k and has a manual
Camaro V8 - starts at 37k and has a manual
Charger V8 - starts at 35k (slushbox only, & I won't touch FCA)

and there is still that badge issue
IMO, from the list above, only one car comes close to fulfilling the Stinger's mission statement and it's the Charger. The very same car you won't touch .
Besides, a Charger equipped to nearly the same equipment level as the Stinger retails close to $40K (before dealer and manufacturer discount/incentives, of course).
neg_matnik is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2017, 06:37 AM   #14
SVX WRX
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 26358
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Da Burgh
Vehicle:
2013 Chewbaccamobile

Default

it has too many doors.

you'd probably be crazy to buy one new. i'm guessing resale value plummets after driven off the lot, but i could be wrong - haven't paid any attention to how Korean makes hold their value.
SVX WRX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-21-2017, 11:38 AM   #15
Genericuser1
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 378822
Join Date: Jan 2014
Vehicle:
2006 Mini Van
Does it matter?

Default

You do realize it does not start at $40k right? There are other lower trim levels. You are comparing pony cars (that almost weigh as much) and compacts to a car the same size as a Honda Accord.

I will be checking it out, I've liked a lot of the recent Kia designs and this is no exception.
Genericuser1 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2017, 01:01 PM   #16
subyski
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 202642
Join Date: Nov 2007
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Location: Centennial, Colorado
Vehicle:
08 Impreza,80Vette
68 Impala, 15 SantaFe

Default

I don't think the curb weight is that bad given it's a large Grand touring sedan. It's 3900 lbs weight for the 3.3T AWD is right in line with the 440i xDrive Gran Coupe. C&D states the base 2.0T RWD will be around 3650 lbs which again aligns with the 430i Gran Coupe. The Charger V6 AWD is nearly 4200 lbs.
subyski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2017, 01:08 PM   #17
STix66
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 104433
Join Date: Jan 2006
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Vehicle:
2016 Mercedes - GLE
past cars-06 STI /13 WRX

Default

Looks better in person. Saw one last week in SK. KIA is getting their **** together.
STix66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2017, 01:46 PM   #18
neg_matnik
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 132389
Join Date: Nov 2006
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: SF Bay Area
Vehicle:
2006 WRX Wagon SGM
2003 SV1000S, 2014 DL650

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by subyski View Post
I don't think the curb weight is that bad given it's a large Grand touring sedan. It's 3900 lbs weight for the 3.3T AWD is right in line with the 440i xDrive Gran Coupe. C&D states the base 2.0T RWD will be around 3650 lbs which again aligns with the 430i Gran Coupe. The Charger V6 AWD is nearly 4200 lbs.
Charger rides on a 120" wheelbase. It's full sized with 40" of legroom in the rear; definitely larger than 5 series/E-class but smaller than 7 series/S-class.
Stinger's appears to be smaller than 5-series/E-class.
So, I guess Stinger's weight is OK given its size; but so is Charger's weight, given its larger size.
neg_matnik is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2017, 02:03 PM   #19
subyski
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 202642
Join Date: Nov 2007
Chapter/Region: RMIC
Location: Centennial, Colorado
Vehicle:
08 Impreza,80Vette
68 Impala, 15 SantaFe

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by neg_matnik View Post
Charger rides on a 120" wheelbase. It's full sized with 40" of legroom in the rear; definitely larger than 5 series/E-class but smaller than 7 series/S-class.
Stinger's appears to be smaller than 5-series/E-class.
So, I guess Stinger's weight is OK given its size; but so is Charger's weight, given its larger size.
I only pointed out the charger as a reference point in a similar price range that has AWD/RWD.

The Stinger sits on a 114.4 in wheel base, so right between the 4 and 5 series.
subyski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2017, 02:51 PM   #20
neg_matnik
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 132389
Join Date: Nov 2006
Chapter/Region: BAIC
Location: SF Bay Area
Vehicle:
2006 WRX Wagon SGM
2003 SV1000S, 2014 DL650

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by subyski View Post
I only pointed out the charger as a reference point in a similar price range that has AWD/RWD.

The Stinger sits on a 114.4 in wheel base, so right between the 4 and 5 series.
Yes, understood. I brought up wheelbase to help with gauging the footprint of these various cars; for my own benefit really .
neg_matnik is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:28 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2017 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2017, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.