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Old 05-03-2017, 03:52 PM   #2976
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Nice choice of tank and filter mount, Dailey makes some pretty parts that's for sure. He refers pretty much all his tank business to us at Peterson.
Oh nice, you work for Peterson. We pretty much raided your catalog for this build...tank, primer, heater, inline filter, breather. You make some good stuff! And yes it came highly recommended by Bill Dailey.
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Old 05-03-2017, 04:26 PM   #2977
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... us at Peterson.
As far as I know I am the first person with a Subaru race engine to use a Peterson external oil pressure bypass valve. It's working quite well for me.
If you want to know more PM me rather than me muddying this thread.
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Old 05-03-2017, 06:12 PM   #2978
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As far as I know I am the first person with a Subaru race engine to use a Peterson external oil pressure bypass valve. It's working quite well for me.
If you want to know more PM me rather than me muddying this thread.
Yeah we've got remote reliefs just about everywhere. Nice to have a one size fits all product that's for sure.

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Oh nice, you work for Peterson. We pretty much raided your catalog for this build...tank, primer, heater, inline filter, breather. You make some good stuff! And yes it came highly recommended by Bill Dailey.
Haha, well that's good to hear! I deal with Bill all the time, hes a sharp guy that's for sure. You'll like his system, it's about as compact and efficient as they come.

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Old 05-05-2017, 09:24 AM   #2979
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Yeah we've got remote reliefs just about everywhere. Nice to have a one size fits all product that's for sure.



Haha, well that's good to hear! I deal with Bill all the time, hes a sharp guy that's for sure. You'll like his system, it's about as compact and efficient as they come.
What is your name? Is this Mike or Jerry or ???
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Old 05-05-2017, 11:27 AM   #2980
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Rollin' along this week, not much time left before we load up for Atlanta! Fred got the dry sump tank mounted, as well as the remote filter/primer and new -12AN oil cooler. All of the plumbing is done as well (everything using crimp fittings). The header is wrapped with some really nice stuff from Heatshield Products, which should contain heat better than traditional wrap and it won't absorb oil in the event of a leak. He also got the new turbo plumbing done, redid some fuel lines, and mounted the Radium Engineering surge tank.









I finished mounting the new mirrors, made some blockoff plates for the stock mirror mounting locations, and a few other odds and ends.



The body shop took care of a bit of paint work to prep for new graphics going down on Monday.



Today, we are on the dyno with Franz Diebold. The car has Ignite Red (114 oct.) in the tank and I'm anxious to see what it will do on this new GTX3582R Gen 2. He will tune the car today, then come back on Monday to finish some wiring and troubleshooting. Graphics will go on, then we have Tuesday to do some final prep before we load up and head off for Atlanta! Any guesses what kind of numbers we'll put down today?

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Old 05-05-2017, 12:28 PM   #2981
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That wheel is nuts!

You're at the point where most would put an Arduino in there so you can run it all over CAN. Once you do that you can go full maniac F1 style, put a screen on there and all manner of craziness all with 4 pins.
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Old 05-05-2017, 02:51 PM   #2982
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I'm going to guess 700whp on the RED. Ignite is no joke!
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Old 05-05-2017, 03:05 PM   #2983
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That wheel is nuts!

You're at the point where most would put an Arduino in there so you can run it all over CAN. Once you do that you can go full maniac F1 style, put a screen on there and all manner of craziness all with 4 pins.
I thought about moving the dash to the wheel and using a CAN hub but the cost of this project was already out of control so I ditched that idea. Although it's possible that later on I will do some sort of hub so I can move more controls like ECU map and diff lockup from the switch panel to the wheel.
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I'm going to guess 700whp on the RED. Ignite is no joke!
That's pretty much what I'm hoping for. Franz usually tunes pretty conservatively but I know others have cracked 700 on red on the old GTX3582 so hopefully the gen 2 will hit it without breaking a sweat. I have a feeling we're going to run into some flow restriction up top using the stock intake manifold and no significant head porting.
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Old 05-05-2017, 05:14 PM   #2984
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Looks good... Only thing i'd recommend would be a little finer scavenge filter on the return side. The filter you have currently are just designed to mount onto oil pans and are pretty course (1500 micron). Typically we run 100 micron's on the return side of the system to keep the tank clean.

Those are -16 lines?
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Old 05-05-2017, 05:43 PM   #2985
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Looks good... Only thing i'd recommend would be a little finer scavenge filter on the return side. The filter you have currently are just designed to mount onto oil pans and are pretty course (1500 micron). Typically we run 100 micron's on the return side of the system to keep the tank clean.

Those are -16 lines?
Yes they are -16. How can you tell what filter is on there? I'll double check but pretty sure it's not your scavenge filter. I'm almost positive it's much finer than that.
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Old 05-05-2017, 05:57 PM   #2986
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We only make one micron size for that style filter, it's a 1500 micron which is a hole just smaller than an 60 thousandths.

Typically our 400 series filters with a 100 micron and no bypass are used on the scav return lines.

I'm talking about the red 90* filter in the first picture attached to the scav return fitting on the tank.

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Old 05-05-2017, 07:42 PM   #2987
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Are you actually going to run the car at 700whp??
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Old 05-06-2017, 12:07 AM   #2988
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Do you have a place for airflow from the radiator to go? If you've noticed the WRC cars with the v-mount setup have ducts dumping air out the sides in front of the wheels.

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Old 05-07-2017, 10:42 AM   #2989
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Are you actually going to run the car at 700whp??
Pretty much yeah.
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Do you have a place for airflow from the radiator to go? If you've noticed the WRC cars with the v-mount setup have ducts dumping air out the sides in front of the wheels.
Not exactly at this point. We experimented with one method last year but it was taking too much downforce off the front end. I have been looking into venting it out the sides of the bumper since there are already exit vents there.
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Old 05-07-2017, 10:43 AM   #2990
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So this turbo is...quite strong. Franz tuned the car conservatively at 30psi since we are hauling about 11 hours and wanted to make sure everything holds together. At that boost level, it made 630whp and 582wtq. He will be at the track with us and he said he has headroom to add in another 5psi, which should be good for close to 750whp! Pretty incredible considering the car has basically stock heads (just cams, +1mm valves, and a valve job) and stock intake manifold. With some head porting and a process west manifold, we could be knocking on the door of 800.



I'm going to run the car at 30psi during the Thursday test while I learn the track and the new tires. If I'm consistent and we need a little more lap time, I will consider cranking the boost a bit.

I also got a little something to try to gain back some rear downforce since I added what will likely be quite a bit up front. You can see how much larger the Singular endplates are than the ones the wing came with, which should provide a significant downforce gain without adding drag. I will say they were not the easiest company to deal with...it took 2 1/2 months after I ordered and paid to get the endplates and they sent the wrong ones so I had to redrill them. They are going to have a new set made with the correct mounting holes but no idea how long that will take. For now though they look pretty badass!





I also got the new steering wheel installed and it looks amazing.



Tomorrow, the steering wheel gets wired in and all other wiring and electronics issues get sorted out. The new livery is also being installed tomorrow, then it's wrapping up the final details on Tuesday before we load up for Atlanta!
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Old 05-07-2017, 02:15 PM   #2991
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Your car is inspiring even for us "budget" racers!
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Old 05-07-2017, 06:03 PM   #2992
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I went up in endplate as well. The modeled -CL from going up in endplate and no additional drag makes it an easy choice. AJ Hartman was easy to deal with. Bummer on Singular being a pain to deal with.

Made a set of risers for that will allow the wing to go from standard height and up 1 or 2" in overall height.

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Old 05-07-2017, 09:29 PM   #2993
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I thought about getting the endplates from AJ but I'm looking at switching to a top mount wing from him later this season. For now, the singular were a lot cheaper because they're aluminum. Just a shame their customer service isn't better because it's a really nice product.
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So this turbo is...quite strong. Franz tuned the car conservatively at 30psi since we are hauling about 11 hours and wanted to make sure everything holds together. At that boost level, it made 630whp and 582wtq. He will be at the track with us and he said he has headroom to add in another 5psi, which should be good for close to 750whp! Pretty incredible considering the car has basically stock heads (just cams, +1mm valves, and a valve job) and stock intake manifold. With some head porting and a process west manifold, we could be knocking on the door of 800.



I'm going to run the car at 30psi during the Thursday test while I learn the track and the new tires. If I'm consistent and we need a little more lap time, I will consider cranking the boost a bit.

I also got a little something to try to gain back some rear downforce since I added what will likely be quite a bit up front. You can see how much larger the Singular endplates are than the ones the wing came with, which should provide a significant downforce gain without adding drag. I will say they were not the easiest company to deal with...it took 2 1/2 months after I ordered and paid to get the endplates and they sent the wrong ones so I had to redrill them. They are going to have a new set made with the correct mounting holes but no idea how long that will take. For now though they look pretty badass!





I also got the new steering wheel installed and it looks amazing.



Tomorrow, the steering wheel gets wired in and all other wiring and electronics issues get sorted out. The new livery is also being installed tomorrow, then it's wrapping up the final details on Tuesday before we load up for Atlanta!

That powerband looks awesome. GTX3076 Gen2 correct? I too am completely stock heads and valvetrain.

Also those endplates look solid! I know there are at least 2-3 different hole configurations that Kognition made for the endplates, so I can see the trial/error there. I love my Louver kit from Singular, got that pretty painlessly though.
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That powerband looks awesome. GTX3076 Gen2 correct? I too am completely stock heads and valvetrain.

Also those endplates look solid! I know there are at least 2-3 different hole configurations that Kognition made for the endplates, so I can see the trial/error there. I love my Louver kit from Singular, got that pretty painlessly though.
It's a 3582 Gen2. The spool is pretty impressive for such a large turbo. And I think with some head work and a little more boost it will make some big peak numbers as well.

There are 2 different hole patterns for Kognition wings but we had a whole conversation back and forth about which one I needed. I will give them credit though, apparently their waterjet shop messed up and cut the wrong ones but they went ahead and sent them to me and will replace them when the new ones are ready.
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It's a 3582 Gen2. The spool is pretty impressive for such a large turbo. And I think with some head work and a little more boost it will make some big peak numbers as well.

There are 2 different hole patterns for Kognition wings but we had a whole conversation back and forth about which one I needed. I will give them credit though, apparently their waterjet shop messed up and cut the wrong ones but they went ahead and sent them to me and will replace them when the new ones are ready.
Oh wow 3582! Good lord that comes on nice. That's about where my 3076 Gen 1 comes in at. And of course after my break in and tune on the dyno my 3076 Gen 2 shows up Seeing your numbers on the 3582 Gen 2 is making me think a little more. We'll have to talk this week more about it!

Nice! At least they are making it right, good on them.
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Yeah it's pretty insane, it makes peak torque at right around the same RPM as my 3076 Gen 1 did but it should be capable of 200+ more hp. This is with the 1.01 housing too! The Gen 2 stuff is no joke. If you're happy with your current powerband you should definitely consider giving yourself some more headroom with a 3582 or maybe a 3576.
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What made you go with the gtx over the new gtw's?

I've been dying to see some more results with the w's
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What made you go with the gtx over the new gtw's?

I've been dying to see some more results with the w's
My understanding is that the GTW series is more of a "budget" turbo with a lot of compromises. They are bigger/heavier, less advanced compressor wheel aerodynamics, no fully machined compressor housing, etc. I think they will be good for the budget-minded drag racer or street driver but not ideally suited to road racing.
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My understanding is that the GTW series is more of a "budget" turbo with a lot of compromises. They are bigger/heavier, less advanced compressor wheel aerodynamics, no fully machined compressor housing, etc. I think they will be good for the budget-minded drag racer or street driver but not ideally suited to road racing.
They were marketed as "budget" but you are getting basically a gtx billet compressor wheel matched to a different turbine wheel aero.

They are cheaper however they are very impressive in a number of applications. a 62mm 3884 has basically the same spool, slightly different in response to a gen1 gtx3582 but makes a lot more power.

We have used them on a number of different cars/engines and they are a great option. Used in racing as well and they are great.

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